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This is very exciting. Maybe eventually Illinoisans will have the right to conceal carry so that they can actually defend themselves.

That would be nice but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting. If little dicky and blowboy have their way we would be totally disarmed.


I know CC, Daley isn't like the mayor of Washington, he believes he is above the supreme court. This is the guy who commandeered Meigs airfield to make it a park for his wife...

He will legalize handguns if the supreme court forces the issue, but he will put so many stipulations to register the weapon in place that it will be virtually impossible. Like 10x worse then it is to register a .22 or shotgun today. You will have to provide blood samples, retinal scans and fecal specimens weekly and twice on Sunday.

Of course he doesn't understand why the common man would desire to defend himself or his family. He has been living under police protection, with a police details attached to him and his loved ones since he was born. His family (not just him) goes to the theater and to the shopping mall with a detail attached. Can you say double standard?



Man, I remember when he destoryed Miegs Airfield. He went in with bulldozers and caved gaint X's into the runway; the standard way of doing so is just to spray paint gaint X's into the runway. What a sad day for general aviation. That was horrible..... What really pisses me off about that is that the park in just wasted space. And he did it for his wife.... People like him that believe that they are better then the people that they serve are truly scum. They go against everything that this nation stands for.

What I cannot understand is how and why he and the rest of his ilk keep on being elected into office.

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This is very exciting. Maybe eventually Illinoisans will have the right to conceal carry so that they can actually defend themselves.

That would be nice but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting. If little dicky and blowboy have their way we would be totally disarmed.


I know CC, Daley isn't like the mayor of Washington, he believes he is above the supreme court. This is the guy who commandeered Meigs airfield to make it a park for his wife...

He will legalize handguns if the supreme court forces the issue, but he will put so many stipulations to register the weapon in place that it will be virtually impossible. Like 10x worse then it is to register a .22 or shotgun today. You will have to provide blood samples, retinal scans and fecal specimens weekly and twice on Sunday.

Of course he doesn't understand why the common man would desire to defend himself or his family. He has been living under police protection, with a police details attached to him and his loved ones since he was born. His family (not just him) goes to the theater and to the shopping mall with a detail attached. Can you say double standard?



Man, I remember when he destoryed Miegs Airfield. He went in with bulldozers and caved gaint X's into the runway; the standard way of doing so is just to spray paint gaint X's into the runway. What a sad day for general aviation. That was horrible..... What really pisses me off about that is that the park in just wasted space. And he did it for his wife.... People like him that believe that they are better then the people that they serve are truly scum. They go against everything that this nation stands for.

What I cannot understand is how and why he and the rest of his ilk keep on being elected into office.


It's because he owns their livelihoods. Chicago has the largest municipality work force in the nation, whereas most other big cities have privatized. Labor, Garbage, Police, Fire, Aviation, Transportation, etc. all fall under the kings rule. You don't vote Daley, you lose your job. It's that simple.

He also owns the unions that the city workers are members of, he owns the County Board, yes the County Board...you want cost of living...make sure you vote the right way. Chicago politics is the same old story it's been for 100 years.

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Ah, different mob boss instead that fat asshole Capone.

Take comfort in the fact that people like him tghat that lazy, dumb, and selfish can never really survive on their own.

Bet the asshole doesn't even know how to toss a salad or choke a chicken or make dinner.

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I'll make a deal with King Daley. If he agrees to ride the subways around the worst part of the city,and walk the absolute worst ghettos the city has to offer,on a Friday night,say from 10:00 p.m. to 7:00 a.m. by himself,no cellphone,no money,unarmed,in plain veiw of everybody,then I'll agree with him that the people of Chicago don't need to own guns.

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Couple of things from someone who lives in downtown Chicago:

First, this court decision is HUGE. The red tape to register firearms in the city is crazy, and having an outright ban on pistols (**caveat: except those that were grandfathered in when the ban when in effect and have been continuously registered since**) is horrible. Anything at all that pushes back on this ridiculous system is great.

Second, chitown2k got it exactly right when he said that we will still end up with registration restrictions that make it nearly impossible to actually get your firearm (pistol or rifle -- I can see increased registration restrictions as retaliation for the feds trying to tell the city what to do) registered under the system. As it is now, you have to register EVERY gun EVERY year. If you are late or forget to register, the general rule is that gun can never be registered again, so it is either illegal or it is out of the city. On top of that, you have to be a logistics GENIUS to even get a registration form. One time a few years ago I found the form on the internet, but never since then. Now, to get the form you have to go to the cop shop and ask for one, have them treat you like some sort of criminal or crazy person, and then listen while they explain that they are out of forms, but that there might be some down in the precinct on the other side of town.

Bottom Line: The battle isn't against bans. The battle is against bans and against registration restrictions that have nearly the same effect as bans. It is important not to celebrate too soon.

Third, our Mayor is one corrupt SOB, but his corruption generally ends up in favor of the city in my opinion. He may be a bastard, but he's ours.

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Good post people, but this is starting to lean a bit into politicking. (although the basis of the thread is politicky, so it was really inevitable....)

Remember, this is the firearms forum. More gun talk, less Chicago politics talk. :D

It's nice that normal citizens in my neighbor city to the north can easily own handguns again. How great would it be to see more and more of these silly regs rolled back?

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Good post people, but this is starting to lean a bit into politicking. (although the basis of the thread is politicky, so it was really inevitable....)

Remember, this is the firearms forum. More gun talk, less Chicago politics talk. :D

It's nice that normal citizens in my neighbor city to the north can easily own handguns again. How great would it be to see more and more of these silly regs rolled back?


Yea, I never meant to make it political, blame the Mayor :lol:

Actually it's not political, in that we are talking about bans, double standards and registration red tape vs. partisan politics.

Someone asked why the people don't vote differently and I explained the dynamics in Chicago, so they could better understand. Is talking about a politician always political? :lol:

By saying that something is wrong, corrupt, a double standard better not be considered political, or we would would have to close most of the posts on this board (AK vs. AR...comes to mind).

Cut me some slack PP :shock:

(hope you know I am kidding)

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Just a warning shot chitown2k, I don't think the thread crossed the line, but seemed to be heading that way.

If these were other boards, I'd be chiming right in. The corruption in chicago is historic, and people could make parallels to the ruling political party in that town. Or New Orleans. Or DC........

Not me though, 'cause that would be political discussion! :D

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So to spite such people, what hand cannon would you strap to your thigh Han-Solo style if they made Open-Carry kosher?

I'm thinking of going with the classic Dirty Harry Special myself.

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So to spite such people, what hand cannon would you strap to your thigh Han-Solo style if they made Open-Carry kosher?


Gotta go with S&W Model 500. The pure awesome of walking down a street with one of those hanging from your belt would probably be too much to handle.

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I would have to rock it Old school

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A case challenging the ban on private handgun ownership in the U.S. capital could lead to the first ruling by the Supreme Court since 1939 on the rights of Americans to bear arms.

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Officials from the District of Columbia government this week asked the high court to agree the city's 31-year-old law banning private possession of handguns is constitutional.

Supporters and opponents of the law said the case could have far-reaching legal and political importance in affecting the nation's gun laws.

D.C. officials said a U.S. appeals court was wrong in its precedent-setting ruling in March that broadly interpreted an individual's constitutional right under the Second Amendment to bear arms, and that concluded the law violated those rights.

The Second Amendment says, "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

City lawyers have argued the amendment guarantees the right to bear arms only for members of a militia, like today's National Guard, and not for individuals.

But the appeals court adopted the position that the Bush administration has advocated previously -- that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to keep and bear arms.

"This has the potential to be the most significant ruling ever on the Second Amendment," said Paul Helmke, president of Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. He said the case also could be significant in the political debate leading up to next year's elections.

The Supreme Court has not ruled on the scope of the Second Amendment since a decision 68 years ago when it upheld a federal gun control law but did not definitively resolve the constitutional issue.

In appealing to the Supreme Court, District of Columbia Attorney General Linda Singer said the March ruling marked the first time a federal appeals court has invoked the Second Amendment to strike down a gun-control law.

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"A law that bans handguns but permits private ownership of rifles and shotguns does not deprive anyone of the right to keep and bear arms, however that right is construed," she said.

Singer said the nation's three largest cities -- New York, Chicago and Los Angeles -- have laws banning handguns or tightly regulating their possession and use, that states have adopted various measures and a number of nations have banned handguns or grant permits in only exceptional cases.

"Whatever right the Second Amendment guarantees, it does not require the district to stand by while its citizens die," she said.

Six residents brought the challenge to the city's law, one of the strictest in the nation. One of their lawyers, Robert Levy of the Cato Institute, said they also would urge the Supreme Court to review the case.

He said those challenging the law seek a broader ruling from the Supreme Court, one that could apply nationwide and not just in Washington.

If the justices agree to decide the case, arguments most likely would be scheduled for next year, with a ruling expected by the end of June.

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hahahah I like the way you think. I could buy a shitload of Jennings and hipoints for $50 each and then sell them to the city for $100 per :D


This being one instance where melting down a bunch of guns into scrap metal would actually make the world a safer place.

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