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D.C. gun case may hit Chicago
City's law is next target if foes win in Supreme Court

By James Oliphant | Washington Bureau
10:02 PM CDT, September 4, 2007
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Digg Del.icio.us Facebook Furl Google Newsvine Reddit Spurl Yahoo Print Single page view Reprints Text size: WASHINGTON - Those who would do away with Washington's near-total ban on handguns will tell you point-blank their next target: Chicago.

Gun-rights advocates scored a stunning success earlier this year when a three-judge panel of a federal appeals court in Washington swept aside the District of Columbia's ban on owning handguns, which had been in place since 1976.

On Tuesday, the district government appealed the decision to the Supreme Court. If the court takes the case, as many observers believe it will, it could place Chicago's handgun ban, as well as similar laws nationwide, in jeopardy.

"There is reason to be concerned at this point," said Thomas Mannard, executive director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence.

"Chicago would be the logical follow-up," said Robert Levy, a libertarian activist who filed the case against the D.C. ban. Levy, too, wants the Supreme Court to take the case, making this a rare instance when both sides in a dispute hope an appeal goes forward.

In a 2-1 decision in March, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals here said the district's ban violated the Constitution's 2nd Amendment. It was the most affirmative and sweeping embrace of the right to bear arms yet by a federal appellate court.

'We do not need more guns'
That left the D.C. government in a bind. It faced a choice of asking the Supreme Court to take the case and risk triggering a monumental ruling from its conservative majority — one that could wipe out gun bans across the nation—or accepting the appeals court decision and reworking its ordinance. It decided to go for broke.

At a news conference Tuesday on the steps of the district's police headquarters, Mayor Adrian Fenty said the city had no choice.

"In the end, the bottom line is that we do not need more guns in this city," said Fenty, flanked by more than a dozen police officers. "The only possible outcome with more handguns is more violence."

As an example of the urgency of the situation, district officials cited the death Sunday of a teenager who was shot by a 15-year-old in a struggle over a handgun. Five people were killed in the district in close to a 24-hour period over the weekend. In Chicago, the homicide rate is down this year by almost 8 percent compared to a year ago, according to the Chicago Police Department, which credits, among others things, an active effort to keep handguns off the streets.

"The handgun ban in Chicago has made the city safer," said Tom Vanden Berk, executive director of UCAN, a Chicago social welfare agency. Vanden Berk's son was killed in crossfire in 1992.

Bans ineffective, critics say
But critics say that while law-abiding residents cannot keep handguns for self-defense, the ban does nothing to prevent the flow of illegal guns into Chicago from surrounding areas where buying a gun is easier. As an example, they cite the city resorting to such tactics as the recent gun buyback, which netted almost 6,000 handguns and assault weapons in exchange for amnesty and $100 debit cards.

The first sweeping gun ban in the nation was passed by Morton Grove, Ill., in 1981. After it was upheld by the 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, the Supreme Court declined to hear the case. That gave such cities as Chicago reason to believe that their gun bans were bulletproof. But a Supreme Court ruling now would trump the 7th Circuit decision.

If the high court were to endorse a broad view of the 2nd Amendment in the D.C. case, it would be a short step for Levy and other gun-rights activists to argue that the amendment also applies to such municipal ordinances as the Chicago ban.

The district's decision to appeal has left gun-control advocates angst-ridden. They worry that the district's case isn't the best positioned for Supreme Court review and fear a precedent that could have a cascade effect across the nation.

"There are obvious risks to taking this particular case before this particular court," said Dennis Henigan, legal director of the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

The Supreme Court has not directly ruled on the scope of the 2nd Amendment since 1939, and regardless, Henigan said, the current court is "comfortable disregarding very old precedents." Added Kristen Rand, legislative director of the Violence Policy Center in Washington: "I think you can rest assured that virtually every gun law in the country would be at risk."

D.C.'s attorney general, Linda Singer, said the district could not worry about the effect a negative ruling would have on other cities. "Our responsibility is to the District of Columbia," Singer said.

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Yep, Chicago is the next likely battleground if the D.C. ban is overturned. They also have a total ban on handguns, like D.C. Even NYC, where handguns are VERY tightly restricted and regulated, doesn't technically have a total ban.

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I can rest assured that every gun law will be under attack.....

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speaking of wich can someone let me know when the next city in Missouri Kansas or Oklahoma is doing one of those gun buyback things. I have a buddy that is a trucker that has a box of broken shit pistols that he wants to make a profit on.

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hahahah I like the way you think. I could buy a shitload of Jennings and hipoints for $50 each and then sell them to the city for $100 per :D

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Hmmm....actually that's not a bad idea.........

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The idea of selling shitty guns to get money to buy cool guns...intriguing, and brilliant!

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There is a pro-2A group that funded it's Youth Marksmanship Program by turning in a bunch of crap guns in for cash at a Chicago buy-back.

I don't have a link handy, but if I run across it again, I'll post it here.

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Why give the antigunners fuel by being able to say 'We got x amount of guns off the street"?.Good short term tactical choice to fund some toys but a poor long term strategic choice.


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Ever shot a jennings or hi-points? I'd be doing the world a favor.

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This is very exciting. Maybe eventually Illinoisans will have the right to conceal carry so that they can actually defend themselves.


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crypto wrote:
Ever shot a jennings or hi-points? I'd be doing the world a favor.


hi-points shoot DAMN well!

I own two of them, and even though they are bricks and arent "OOOH A KIMBER" they are decent firearms

I digress

The anti-gunners need to realize restrictions on the law abiding only aid those that DON'T obey the law!

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AwPhuch wrote:
The anti-gunners need to realize restrictions on the law abiding only aid those that DON'T obey the law!


+1

Looking forward to SCOTUS's view on the 2nd amendment.

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Ever shot a jennings or hi-points? I'd be doing the world a favor.


You must mean the pistols, not the carbines.

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This is very exciting. Maybe eventually Illinoisans will have the right to conceal carry so that they can actually defend themselves.

That would be nice but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting. If little dicky and blowboy have their way we would be totally disarmed.

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This is very exciting. Maybe eventually Illinoisans will have the right to conceal carry so that they can actually defend themselves.

That would be nice but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting. If little dicky and blowboy have their way we would be totally disarmed.


Agreed...if I stay around the St. Louis area next year I am planning to move to MO.


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Ever shot a jennings or hi-points? I'd be doing the world a favor.


Lies! The Jenning is the ultimate pistol. It'll pierce tank armor and will stop a 1,000 pound grizzly in its tracks! I know because I was a Navy SEAL/SAS/Green Beret/Ranger operative in South Korea during the Vietnam war of 1812! LULZ!

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There is a pro-2A group that funded it's Youth Marksmanship Program by turning in a bunch of crap guns in for cash at a Chicago buy-back.

I don't have a link handy, but if I run across it again, I'll post it here.



A found a link to the group that used the Chicago buy back program to fund a youth marksmanship program.

This is a thread over at THR. It is actually the follow up thread, but has a link to the original post. Just look at the picture of the kids that were able to learn to shoot from this program.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=293971

Edit: Here's a great story about the "gun run" the volunteer had to make to get the guns into the buyback locations.

http://xavierthoughts.blogspot.com/2007 ... -hood.html

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Ever shot a jennings or hi-points? I'd be doing the world a favor.


Lies! The Jenning is the ultimate pistol. It'll pierce tank armor and will stop a 1,000 pound grizzly in its tracks! I know because I was a Navy SEAL/SAS/Green Beret/Ranger operative in South Korea during the Vietnam war of 1812! LULZ!


Dude really!

Did the VC kill you and you survived

Man..YOU ROCK!! :roll:

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Thomas Mannard, executive director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence


Is that a joke? Would it be possible to have any more handgun violence in Chicago than there already is?

I'm pretty sure there is less gun violence per capita in Iraq than there is in Chicago...

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Thomas Mannard, executive director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence


Is that a joke? Would it be possible to have any more handgun violence in Chicago than there already is?

I'm pretty sure there is less gun violence per capita in Iraq than there is in Chicago...


lol, so true...

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CLEAR CUT wrote:
Glockman wrote:
This is very exciting. Maybe eventually Illinoisans will have the right to conceal carry so that they can actually defend themselves.

That would be nice but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting. If little dicky and blowboy have their way we would be totally disarmed.


I know CC, Daley isn't like the mayor of Washington, he believes he is above the supreme court. This is the guy who commandeered Meigs airfield to make it a park for his wife...

He will legalize handguns if the supreme court forces the issue, but he will put so many stipulations to register the weapon in place that it will be virtually impossible. Like 10x worse then it is to register a .22 or shotgun today. You will have to provide blood samples, retinal scans and fecal specimens weekly and twice on Sunday.

Of course he doesn't understand why the common man would desire to defend himself or his family. He has been living under police protection, with a police details attached to him and his loved ones since he was born. His family (not just him) goes to the theater and to the shopping mall with a detail attached. Can you say double standard?

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crypto wrote:
Ever shot a jennings or hi-points? I'd be doing the world a favor.


Lies! The Jenning is the ultimate pistol. It'll pierce tank armor and will stop a 1,000 pound grizzly in its tracks! I know because I was a Navy SEAL/SAS/Green Beret/Ranger operative in South Korea during the Vietnam war of 1812! LULZ!


Dude really!

Did the VC kill you and you survived

Man..YOU ROCK!! :roll:


Of course I rock, I totally slathered my chest with coconut oil and even though I was in a jungle, I went shirtless and fought off a whole platoon of them with just a big knife, a red bandana, and a whole lot of yelling!

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Big Mac wrote:
Of course I rock, I totally slathered my chest with coconut oil and even though I was in a jungle, I went shirtless and fought off a whole platoon of them with just a big knife, a red bandana, and a whole lot of yelling!


Who knew Chuck Norris was a member here? :lol:

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