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Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by jor-el » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:18 pm

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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by MPMalloy » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:00 pm

Why is this being allowed to happen?

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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by FlashDaddy » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:07 pm

First link doesn’t lead to any story on Seattle.
Second link is dead
Third link is to Russia Today or “RT” so do we need to discuss how that
Might not be reliable reporting on Seattle?
Wikipedia link does not lead to anything on Seattle

Nothing on CNN, Reuters, The Guardian, NBC, CBS, or ABC on a partial take over of Seattle

Maybe we can discuss how we should vet our news sources.
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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by jor-el » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:09 pm

If you're asking about why the repost, ask the mods.

Just read the links. The last is to a map of the affected area. As there are claims of armed people of unknown training quality along that border, it should be obvious its a very bad area to wander near.
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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by RickOShea » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:15 pm

Here's the wiki....while it lasts:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_H ... omous_Zone


jor-el wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:09 pm
Just read the links.
I think your links got trimmed when you tried to copy them from the original thread. I believe that's why they're broken now.
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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by raptor2 » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:24 pm

FlashDaddy wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:07 pm
First link doesn’t lead to any story on Seattle.
Second link is dead
Third link is to Russia Today or “RT” so do we need to discuss how that
Might not be reliable reporting on Seattle?
Wikipedia link does not lead to anything on Seattle

Nothing on CNN, Reuters, The Guardian, NBC, CBS, or ABC on a partial take over of Seattle

Maybe we can discuss how we should vet our news sources.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... lence.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_H ... omous_Zone
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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by Black Beard » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:27 pm

This looks like a good example of a bug-out situation. Get out while the going is good.

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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by NT2C » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:28 pm

Okay folks, I'm the one who l&b'd the original thread and told jor-el to repost it without political commentary. I take the blame for the links being broken.

As far as this not being in the news, Google is your friend. Plenty of sources there to choose from, in whatever flavor floats your boat but discussion of this will be restricted to dealing with it from a preps standpoint.
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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by jor-el » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:31 pm

FlashDaddy wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:27 pm
jor-el wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:09 pm
If you're asking about why the repost, ask the mods.

Just read the links. The last is to a map of the affected area. As there are claims of armed people of unknown training quality along that border, it should be obvious its a very bad area to wander near.
What should be obvious is that this story is made up out of whole cloth. It is a good lesson on how we just can’t trust everything we read on Russia Today and that people of unknown training quality can easily post falsities on Wikipedia and they stay up until Wikipedia takes them down and then these same ne’er-do-wells just repost it on Wikipedia until it is taken down, rinse and repeat.
Fox News and the New York Post say its not.
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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by Halfapint » Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:12 pm

Cops ran out of gas and were running low on flag bangs. The border up the east precinct and told the media they wouldn’t abandon it, 2 hours later they abandoned it.

After the cops left protesters swarmed the building and spray painted over police and wrote “peoples”. The protests last night were the first that were peaceful (crazy!)

Protesters hooked a projector up and watched a documentary on the side of the police building. So far, seems a safer place when agitatora no longer gas and throw explosives at peaceful protesters.
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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by MPMalloy » Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:19 pm

I can't believe that State/Local Gov't is allowing this to happen. :shock:

How long has this AZ been up?

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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by RickOShea » Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:22 pm

MPMalloy wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:19 pm
How long has this AZ been up?
I first heard about it last night. I think it started Monday.
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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by Halfapint » Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:13 pm

SPD has been under investigation on and off for the better part of 20 years. There’s plenty of reports of reporters touring east precinct and spotting anti gay, anti black, anti anything but hard right philosophies. Plenty of SPD cops have been found on extreme right forums and FB pages.

The cops in east precinct have a especially bad reputation of busting minorities and gay minors for charges that would be later dropped due to lack of evidence.

I was on cap hill earlier today, it had the vibe it had back in the 90s and early 2k people were joyful, happy, businesses were open and pretty much everyone wearing masks and distancing where they can.

Overall, seem it’s doing a lot better now than before. Only issue I had was my truck is to big to park in most places.
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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by jor-el » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:22 pm

https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking- ... hbourhoods

For reference, West Precinct is West Seattle Thruway, I-5, and all points north and west of, I think. They really can't afford to lose it, their 911 center is in the building. There are two Federal Buildings one housing IRS, Veterans Affairs and Coast Guard; the other is Federal Court across the street from that precinct. Now damage Federal Property or employees...

Not from the area, there are in-laws in the Chinatown area. Urging them to safer accomodations, as I am unlikely to travel that far to intervene.
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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by Halfapint » Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:12 pm

tony d tiger wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:52 pm
I give it a week. They will need the basics, and cannot provide them without coming out.
Classic.
They have the basics, minus cops. In fact the fire department even stationed 2 trucks to help In case of emergency and they have been welcomed and even fed.

They have everything they need, nothing has changed besides not having a police department in the area. Plenty of minority communities just a few miles south literally haven’t had these services for 20+ years.
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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by boskone » Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:48 pm

Halfapint wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:12 pm
tony d tiger wrote:
Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:52 pm
I give it a week. They will need the basics, and cannot provide them without coming out.
Classic.
They have the basics, minus cops. In fact the fire department even stationed 2 trucks to help In case of emergency and they have been welcomed and even fed.
So, their claims of autonomy are somewhat overstated?

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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by RonnyRonin » Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:20 am

Reddit has been the most direct source of information on the phenomena I have found; of course most information these days is heavily shaded but at the very least you can find photos and first hand accounts.

Twitter users of some stripe seem to have already launched a smear campaign against the CHAZ, I haven't the slightest idea which reports are accurate and I don't assume I will know for years to come. No matter where you fall on this issue, you should find this very interesting. There is some precedent I believe in Portland Oregon for an anarchist controlled portion of a city that was allowed to play itself out; maybe it was around the ICE protests? I can't recall for sure, but it had shades of Occupy 2.0 if I'm not totally off base.
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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by NT2C » Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:13 am

Last warning: We're not here to discuss anything but preps and survival.
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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by jor-el » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:13 am

There is a Reddit up apparently populated by them. Between that, Fox News and the Wiki page people can kindly stop pretending they do not exist.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CapHillAutonomousZone/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-prot ... -extortion

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/us/seatt ... index.html

Per the Fox News article there are allegations armed people under the color of Antifa authority are demanding people on the street present hard ID which since they're not sworn LE and present an ID theft risk. The same people also search for hidden weapons. Essentially Terry vs Ohio (Stop and Frisk) but the searchers are clearly NOT LE thus a violation of civil rights.

And CNN has just discovered the existence of the zone. And their coverage is about a day late.

Once again, allegations that businesses are being threatened with arson to pay "taxes" in cryptocurrency or goods in return for "protection".

A place I would avoid if you could.
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Re: Seattle: The Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

Post by NT2C » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:27 am

jor-el wrote:
Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:13 am
There is a Reddit up apparently populated by them. Between that, Fox News and the Wiki page people can kindly stop pretending they do not exist.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CapHillAutonomousZone/

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-prot ... -extortion

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/11/us/seatt ... index.html

Per the Fox News article there are allegations armed people under the color of Antifa authority are demanding people on the street present hard ID which since they're not sworn LE and present an ID theft risk. The same people also search for hidden weapons. Essentially Terry vs Ohio (Stop and Frisk) but the searchers are clearly NOT LE thus a violation of civil rights.

Once again, allegations that businesses are being threatened with arson to pay "taxes" in cryptocurrency or goods in return for "protection".

A place I would avoid if you could.
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