Don't overlook this mind set in whatever your doing folks

You'd be surprised.
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With the above in mind.williaty wrote: ↑Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:05 pmI know way more people than I expected who have been going to the protests this year. Lots of people who have never done a political thing in their lives have been out there in facemasks and helmets for half the summer. Every single one of them works a white-collar job. Most of their jobs are letting them take PTO or Flex Time and leave work early to go to the protests so long as they make sure they're not missing a meeting or leaving a facility unstaffed. Ages of people I know personally range from 22 to 53. None of them are a minority. Most of them are women. At least here, the demographics are different this time which is another reason I don't think this one is going to settle down as quickly as it has in prior years.
our research [indicates)that violent events tend to increase public approval of political violence—potentially creating a vicious cycle even if violence is sparked in only a few spots.
All together, about 1 in 5 Americans with a strong political affiliation {to either party} says they are quite willing to endorse violence if the other party wins the presidency.
ideological extremes of each party are two to four times more apt to see violence as justified than their party’s mainstream members.
A quick summary:Moreover, the notable increase in violent views in the past year continues a worrisome trend. Between 2017 and 2019, our YouGov survey data showed a marked 9-point increase in the percentage of partisans who believe it would be at least “a little bit” justified for their own party to use violence to advance their political goals today.
No lesson in the study of democratic breakdowns rings more clearly than that political leaders play the central role in fanning—or containing—political polarization and extremism. (snip)
Recent research on the United States reaffirms this timeless truth: Leaders play an essential role in fueling the fire or extinguishing the flames of violence among their followers. Preliminary studies show that messages from redacted or redacted denouncing all violence can reduce mass approval of violence.
Everyone in a position of leadership in a democracy—whether in a neighborhood organization, a municipality, a political party, the Congress or the White House—has an obligation to renounce violence and explicitly dissuade their followers from turning to violent tactics or threats. Further, political leaders have a solemn responsibility to uphold and urge their followers to adhere to the essential norms of democracy, including the principles that the voters should freely decide who shall rule, and all valid votes should be counted toward that decision.
I have this...theory or feeling or vibe (for lack of a better adjective) that we've been at relative peace in this country for so long that the people now who are um...experimenting(?) with violence are clumsy and very bad at it. Our first Civil War was regimented and fairly organized once it got going. The CSA was poor and uniforms were in short supply. Many soldiers fought in civilian clothes and some even barefoot but they were skilled and organized.1. Violent behavior has been shown to normalizes violence which leads to more violence. (i.e. lots of people who have never done it are now participating in street violence)
A reasonable desire.M813 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:47 amReferring back to one of City Prepper's videos where he asked: "Will you hunker down, bug out or join up?" My decision is this: I do not condone the violence and both sides are so deeply flawed that I cannot bring myself to ally or fight with either of them. Thus, my decision is hunker down, then bug out.
I agree. I also do not approve of or condone violence the sole exception is in lawful self defenseM813 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 9:47 am@raptor- To your point:
I have this...theory or feeling or vibe (for lack of a better adjective) that we've been at relative peace in this country for so long that the people now who are um...experimenting(?) with violence are clumsy and very bad at it. Our first Civil War was regimented and fairly organized once it got going. The CSA was poor and uniforms were in short supply. Many soldiers fought in civilian clothes and some even barefoot but they were skilled and organized.
I think internal conflict this time will look like anarchistic mob level violence. People stumbling with torches and pitchforks with little organization or unity. I think we're going to look very stupid.
I'm often beating this drum, but (mostly) for a more mundane reason. Often my friends poo-poo the idea of caches, or that anyone would come for their guns, but all it takes is a house fire. And if Murphy has anything to say about it, right after you lose most everything you own might be just the time you need a gun; not only because you are nominally homeless and more vulnerable than normal but also because these days your house burning down could also be indicative of more violence in your area.majorhavoc wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 12:00 pmOne thing that was implied in this video, but not expressly discussed: hiding at least some your firearms outside of your home (if circumstances allow) following the initial declaration of martial law.
What we have been seeing is a showing of politics as literal synonymous to civil war. The moment I made this connection in my own brain I wondered why it took me so long to connect the psy-ops dots.All of this is making me sick, in part, because this isn't some TV show where I can just change the channel or turn it off.
Which is why preppers advocate being the "gray man." I told my wife that this whole thing reminds me of that scene in "The Good, The Bad & The Ugly" where the hotel proprietor was yelling "Hooray, hooray for Dixie! Hurrah!" as the Confederate troops rolled by while muttering under his breath to his wife "Soon, Union troops will push the Confederates out. They have gold and silver for money, not these useless paper dollars."But...It has been shown many times that in a civil war anyone who tries to remain neutral is preyed upon by both sides.
Any updates on this? I have not seen news stories about any such violence.williaty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:38 am
According to police dispatch, the lead vehicles in one of the convoys have started shooting at other, non-affiliated, cars, striking at least one through the windshield. Dispatch did not say anything about sending medical units, so I assume this means the occupants haven't been struck. At the moment, the police are still pursuing the trucks who are known to have fired. I may not hear any updates as I expect they'll switch to their encrypted incident-response channels soon.
Once this hits the twitterverse, you guys may see escalations of violence in your cities too.
You're right of course,but there are budgetary limitations to consider when prepping for both scenarios.woodsghost wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:32 amJust my opinion, but I think it is wise to be ready to bug out or bug in. The situation dictates.
I feel it is wise to talk to some friends and find out if you can show up at their door and let them know they can show up on your door if things get weird.
While I think everyone should be prepared to "be an island" or "lone wolf" if the situation dictates, I think people in tough times/places are better off banding together with family/tribal units.
Just my opinion.
My comments were not aimed at anyone in particular, just based on conversations with local preppers or psudo-preppers. And they apply equally to me as to anyone else. I'm certainly not any "super Prepper" and I certainly have big holes that budgets or expertise have left.M813 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 11:02 amYou're right of course,but there are budgetary limitations to consider when prepping for both scenarios.woodsghost wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:32 amJust my opinion, but I think it is wise to be ready to bug out or bug in. The situation dictates.
I feel it is wise to talk to some friends and find out if you can show up at their door and let them know they can show up on your door if things get weird.
While I think everyone should be prepared to "be an island" or "lone wolf" if the situation dictates, I think people in tough times/places are better off banding together with family/tribal units.
Just my opinion.
I have no "in-real-life-friends" where I want to bug out to. None of my family or friends live in an area that I would consider to be "better" than where I am, except possibly my parents, who are in a small cabin in some mountains which is nice, but they aren't prepping. They have no food stocks and no source of off-grid power. The only thing they have going for them is that they are a "source" county for the state. All the water comes from the mountain that they live on. They have a clear stream running right through their back yard. At least they won't die of thirst.
I'm not planning some apocalyptic journey across a hellscape in my M813 5-ton to get to them.
For reasons no one yet understands, the guy leading that particular train of pickups chose to shoot up a semi cab, not a bunch of other cars as originally reported. He turned himself in 2 days later and has his arraignment on this coming Tuesday. Another group of the same affiliation started a 2nd armed encounter in a different part of the city but this never progressed beyond pointing guns at people who's skin was a different color. Since no shots were fired, CPD seems to be taking the position that they're far too busy to sort out something this stupid, so they're letting it drop. Finally, at one of the muster points just outside the city, one of the pickup truck train drivers molested a 7 year old girl. That criminal is still at large and the local police (not the city police) are pursuing that matter.raptor2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:39 amAny updates on this? I have not seen news stories about any such violence.williaty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:38 am
According to police dispatch, the lead vehicles in one of the convoys have started shooting at other, non-affiliated, cars, striking at least one through the windshield. Dispatch did not say anything about sending medical units, so I assume this means the occupants haven't been struck. At the moment, the police are still pursuing the trucks who are known to have fired. I may not hear any updates as I expect they'll switch to their encrypted incident-response channels soon.
Once this hits the twitterverse, you guys may see escalations of violence in your cities too.
Honestly that sounds like just a normal day in most cities.williaty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:37 pmFor reasons no one yet understands, the guy leading that particular train of pickups chose to shoot up a semi cab, not a bunch of other cars as originally reported. He turned himself in 2 days later and has his arraignment on this coming Tuesday. Another group of the same affiliation started a 2nd armed encounter in a different part of the city but this never progressed beyond pointing guns at people who's skin was a different color. Since no shots were fired, CPD seems to be taking the position that they're far too busy to sort out something this stupid, so they're letting it drop. Finally, at one of the muster points just outside the city, one of the pickup truck train drivers molested a 7 year old girl. That criminal is still at large and the local police (not the city police) are pursuing that matter.raptor2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 10:39 amAny updates on this? I have not seen news stories about any such violence.williaty wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 10:38 am
According to police dispatch, the lead vehicles in one of the convoys have started shooting at other, non-affiliated, cars, striking at least one through the windshield. Dispatch did not say anything about sending medical units, so I assume this means the occupants haven't been struck. At the moment, the police are still pursuing the trucks who are known to have fired. I may not hear any updates as I expect they'll switch to their encrypted incident-response channels soon.
Once this hits the twitterverse, you guys may see escalations of violence in your cities too.
ETA: It's also worth mentioning that the pickup truck parade down the middle lane of the interstate at speeds ranging from 15mph to 45mph resulted in over 2 dozen accidents spread out around the city. Any one of those could have exploded into a shooting match from either side or just been a fatal accident. With semis in the high lane still doing 70mph, people trying to get onto the interstate were forced to dive through small gaps in between lifted pickup trucks, resulting in a lot of people ending up in the high lane doing 50mph slower than the truck traffic already in it. It's a miracle no one was killed.
In the particular areas this happened, no, it's quite unusual. Other neighborhoods, sure. Where this stuff happened? Uh-uh.raptor2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:57 pmHonestly that sounds like just a normal day in most cities.
https://www.fox9.com/news/is-u-s-crime- ... lis-effect
...and bit safer than some cities.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020 ... r-2-5-2020
Chicago is a special city....raptor2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:57 pm...and bit safer than some cities.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020 ... r-2-5-2020
Hey the violence is not their fault! ... They tell us all time the violence is because the other states around them are the ones supplying the tools of violence and if they did what Chicago does Chicago would be the safest place in the world.emclean wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:01 amChicago is a special city....raptor2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:57 pm...and bit safer than some cities.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020 ... r-2-5-2020
nice place to visit, but glad that I don't share the state with it.
I am doing my part, buying all the guns I can to keep them off the streets, but there is only so much one budget can do....raptor2 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 10:32 amHey the violence is not their fault! ... They tell us all time the violence is because the other states around them are the ones supplying the tools of violence and if they did what Chicago does Chicago would be the safest place in the world.emclean wrote: ↑Tue Oct 06, 2020 7:01 amChicago is a special city....raptor2 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 05, 2020 5:57 pm...and bit safer than some cities.
https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020 ... r-2-5-2020
nice place to visit, but glad that I don't share the state with it.