Vestpack concept

[stabnshoot]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Voodoo-Tactical ... 0606677679



I ran across this the other day, and I like the idea of attaching a pack to a vest and not having two sets of straps that might interfere with things/compromise on gear space by having to have your shoulders clear so the straps can rest on them.

Not really a fan of having a permanently mounted pack on a vest or Voodoo gear, but what about something utilizing quick detach buckles and standard nylon 1" webbing?

I realize this wouldn't work for heavier rucksacks but what about smaller to medium sized patrol packs?

I have a MOLLE Medic Vest and MOLLE Patrol Pack that I'm considering experimenting with using MOLLE lashing straps for parts, I'm thinking I could rig up some quick release/attach system that would snugly attach the pack to the vest. Obviously I would keep the original straps in the pack should I ever need them.

[Blacksmith]

Standard webbing? Diagonally?

The whole point in having a pack and vest separate is that you can take the pack off in a hurry and still have what you need to fight with.

[mystic_1]

The whole point in having a pack and vest separate is that you can take the pack off in a hurry and still have what you need to fight with.

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[offcamber]

A decent pack also carries weight over the hips.. loaded down I bet that vest/pack isn't very comfy on a long haul.

And whats up with the diagonal crossover webbing? Haven't seen that before.

[jor-el]

I could see the point of diagonal MOLLE. I recall seeing German or Austrian MOLLE that looked something like that but its been a while.

When the US first went to LBVs in the eighties, the first models used straight pouches for the magazines. User input occurred where straight pouches can be a challenge to draw mags from, particularly when prone. The second generation of LBVs went to angled pouches.

As for the sewn on backpack, it eats up real estate for pouches, and how do you get to the contents w/o removing the vest?

[BullOnParade]

Take a look at the "Tactical" link in my signature, I worked on this idea for a while. It sucked. Check out the "Grey" link it my signature. The bag I evolved to, is designed to be attached to a LBV or larger ruck in the manner you suggested. It sucks (for that purpose). Any weight in the bag and it starts to pull away from my back at the top, and sag down in the bottom. I gave up attempting to adjust the vest to a point where it could support what I was asking of it. Maybe a plate carrier would work better. Maybe a different vest would work better. I think the problem lays in that tightened pack straps pull the load up as well as closer to the back, where a vest doesn't carry a load the same way, all of the weight goes down, dispersed on your torso, but easily pulled off balance.

My vest: http://www.camelbak.com/Military-Tactical/Packs/Delta-5-Tactical-Vest.aspx
My pack: http://www.tacticaltailor.com/packs_bags/packs/removable-operator-pack

Both do a great job of what they're supposed to do individually.

At best, your idea is a half baked thought that I'm fully willing to admit I've put too much time and effort into. One of these days I'll put even more into a tactical rig, and have the thread in my signature locked, so I can try and put it behind me.

If you want to go tactical, with a backpack, I advise for a pack and chest rig or pack and battle belt, maybe even all three if you can find ones that work well together.

[MaconCJ7]

Water on back of vest. Pack over water with water in pack. Drink from pack supply. If you have to dump pack and gtfo, you still have water. Same with ammo, med supplies, food, etc. Bulk in pack, limited supply on person. But yeah, you have to be able to dump the pack and retain some of your gear. Even in a non-tactical situation, like hiking, if you get all messed up and need to move to a more secure/safe position but can't carry the pack because you're all busted up and weak, you still need some gear to survive.

Even if you mounted it in a way that has some sort of quick release, you are still loosing a fair amount of adjustability. How many times have you been hiking and need to readjust how your pack is riding because either gear shifted, you used supplies, or you're just uncomfortable? I don't see any good adjustments on that pack. I do like the diagonal webbing though and would like to try it out for function. It looks like it's setup to enable vertical or diagonal mount.

[jamoni]

Can't argue with any of the criticism, but I like it.
IF you loaded down the front with pouches and gear, AND the stuff in the back wasn't super heavy, I think the weight would balance out nicely. I think you'd want wider shoulder straps, a more substantial waist belt, and amore breathable design. It looks REALLY hot.
Also, I wish my torso was that shape.

[BullOnParade]

Can't argue with any of the criticism, but I like it.
IF you loaded down the front with pouches and gear, AND the stuff in the back wasn't super heavy, I think the weight would balance out nicely. I think you'd want wider shoulder straps, a more substantial waist belt, and amore breathable design. It looks REALLY hot.
Also, I wish my torso was that shape.

Tighten up the mid section of your tac vest, makes for a tactical slimming belt.

[Tetra Grammaton Cleric]

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[TheLastOne]

Standard webbing? Diagonally?

The whole point in having a pack and vest separate is that you can take the pack off in a hurry and still have what you need to fight with.

This. You can't get into your own pack without taking off your whole vest. No meLikey.

[BullOnParade]

Standard webbing? Diagonally?

The whole point in having a pack and vest separate is that you can take the pack off in a hurry and still have what you need to fight with.

This. You can't get into your own pack without taking off your whole vest. No meLikey.

The Tactical Tailor bag I linked to attaches using buckles, in theory they should be accessible from the wearer. If you cannot detach your pack quickly, you're greatly hindered - not just by limited access to your kit - but if you plan to sit down anywhere along the utilization of this pack. I'll try and remember to rig up and take pictures of the TT pack attached to my best.

[Assault Life]

During my times overseas, I had a HydraStorm on the back of my flak. I used it for a pack on some patrols. Put food, water bottles, socks, and misc. Gear in it. You need a partner to help get stuff out, but when did you ever patrol alone? It will never replace a daybag, but it served its purpose well.

[Boondock]

I'm having a horrible flashback to wearing the old-school M203 grenadier's vest fully loaded. Drink water, hooah.

[crypto]

Tighten up the mid section of your tac vest, makes for a tactical slimming belt.

Theres a seperate discussion about tactical corsets.

It's over in the ladies gear thread.

[tookieblueeyes]

I used to own one like it but I ended up selling it off at a garage sale because, to be honest, it was WAY WAY WAY too hot to wear in my area from spring to late fall. Winter wasn't so bad but it still got hot and I ended up sweating too much, which is not good in icy cold environments and there is no way to strip down enough to prevent sweating in a cold environment. It is a good concept but not something that I think is very practical unless you are in the right environments for travel. Also, it felt cumbersome and it was not so easy on and off. That is just my 2 cents on the vest pack concept, but I am sure that others may have a different take on the subject. Just thought I would share what I know about this contraption.

[Blacksmith]

I'm having a horrible flashback to wearing the old-school M203 grenadier's vest fully loaded. Drink water, hooah.

And don't stand so close to me.....

[Boondock]

And don't stand so close to me.....

[sigboy40]

Standard webbing? Diagonally?

The whole point in having a pack and vest separate is that you can take the pack off in a hurry and still have what you need to fight with.

This. You can't get into your own pack without taking off your whole vest. No meLikey.

The Tactical Tailor bag I linked to attaches using buckles, in theory they should be accessible from the wearer. If you cannot detach your pack quickly, you're greatly hindered - not just by limited access to your kit - but if you plan to sit down anywhere along the utilization of this pack. I'll try and remember to rig up and take pictures of the TT pack attached to my best.

Also the same reason I run a tiered set up
Battle Belt
Chest Rig
Hydration/Day pack
Full pack

Take just what you need, or all of it, depending on the mission.

[Razor]

Like every one else has said the big thing your going to want to do is be able to take your bag off and get into it with out having to yank your vest off. In all honesty the big thing to worry about is what type of bag you plan to use. Your going to want one with straps that won't get in the way, but are still conformable. One that will stay on when you want it on and come off when you want it off and in a hurry if need be. Also you don't want it to be too bulky or else on top of your kit and every thing else it will become a total pain in the ass.

I've been using some type of assault pack in conjunction with body armor for the last few years now in both theaters and honestly once you get a good set up that works it can't be beat. Now to get my wife to stop complaining about the big tac box full of bags...

[stabnshoot]

Standard webbing? Diagonally?

The whole point in having a pack and vest separate is that you can take the pack off in a hurry and still have what you need to fight with.

I'm not really understanding where you folks got the idea that diagonal webbing was the point of this thread, no where in my OP did I even mention it.

And this concept you mentioned of taking a pack off in a hurry would be accomplished with QD buckles. In fact I'm not even sure why some of you are replying the way you are, I made it clear that I do NOT want that Voodoo tactical vest, but I like the idea of an integrated system consisting of a vest and a pack by which the pack is REMOVABLE.

The 1 inch webbing I spoke of is this:



These would be the securing loops that would hold the QD buckles to the vest and pack.

Taken from these premade lashing straps:



which I plan to attach to this:



To this:

[sarky]

I have a CamelBak hydration vest to which I "dock and lock" my Kifaru "E&E" pack . 4 fastex buckles and it's on or off.

[omega_man]

There was a patrol pack (I think it's the CPF-90 lid) that is designed to integrate with the old LBE vest. Blackhawk has also been making the DOAV vest, that has 2 QD packs, for years. Then, there's what Sarky said.

This concept is nothing new.

[Blacksmith]

Your new pics are very different than your OP. I am not sure your concept will work well as the vest was not designed to have a pack attached to it pulling it way back. But good luck with it.