BOB for people with kids + family

by **ZombieSoldier01** » Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:13 pm

I had to chime in here. There is a bunch of talk about the bible. To each his own. If he wants it, then ethically he can carry it. To tell him not to talk about it here is not anyone's business but his own. If you get butt hurt at the mention o the bible, you need to re-evelauatr what's important an what's not in your life.

Anyways a lot of what is mentioned in here is already in my packs INCLUDING THE BIBLE. At the end of the world as we know it, it would be nice to have some sense of spiritualness to fall back on for hope. I also have a compound bow setup a part of my BOG. That mixed with my guns, one way or another I will get food for my family.

I also have those listerine breath tab sheet things. Hell I maybe bug out time but fresh breath is something I still want.

by **ROCK6** » Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:37 pm

ZombieSoldier01 wrote:I had to chime in here. There is a bunch of talk about the bible. To each his own. If he wants it, then ethically he can carry it. To tell him not to talk about it here is not anyone's business but his own. If you get butt hurt at the mention o the bible, you need to re-evelauatr what's important an what's not in your life.

Anyways a lot of what is mentioned in here is already in my packs INCLUDING THE BIBLE. At the end of the world as we know it, it would be nice to have some sense of spiritualness to fall back on for hope. I also have a compound bow setup a part of my BOG. That mixed with my guns, one way or another I will get food for my family.

I also have those listerine breath tab sheet things. Hell I maybe bug out time but fresh breath is something I still want.

Given any amount of stress and uncertainty, everybody needs their flavor of psychological and "spiritual" comfort items. Call them useless or un-needed weight, but everybody, including kids, should have that comfort item. The Bible may be optional for many, but even those that don't share that faith need to consider adding whatever gives them peace-of-mind and refreshes their soul; over time, that will be a critical aspect to survival.

With that said, I've opted for my Kindle and my solar charger :mrgreen:

I downloaded a butt-load of classic literature novels, of course the Bible and a few devotionals and I have about two dozen zombie-novels to get through:D

I do like the idea of a simple recurve bow, but I would consider it for the vehicle or bug-out destination. They would be a good asset in skilled hands for silent game-taking. My only issue is that a bow and arrows would be a little cumbersome attached to the BOB (unless you have a break-down bow, but it would still be awkward to add onto a fully loaded pack). Bow hunting isn't something you'll do on opportunity game; you often have to scout, track, stalk and ambush game when bow hunting...not a lot of time to do that if you're humping it out on foot...

Canned items are good for the vehicle, but way to heavy for the pack. If freeze-dried food is too expensive, simple items can be just as easy and already mentioned: peanut butter, honey, Powerbars, instant soups, instant oatmeal, instant rice and beans; don't forget instant hot cider, coffee and cocoa. It would be nice to have all no-cook meals, but I've found it a good balance as there are times a hot meal can be a life-saver and not just a comfort item.

ROCK6

by **ZombieSoldier01** » Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:30 pm

ROCK6 wrote:
ZombieSoldier01 wrote:I had to chime in here. There is a bunch of talk about the bible. To each his own. If he wants it, then ethically he can carry it. To tell him not to talk about it here is not anyone's business but his own. If you get butt hurt at the mention o the bible, you need to re-evelauatr what's important an what's not in your life.

Anyways a lot of what is mentioned in here is already in my packs INCLUDING THE BIBLE. At the end of the world as we know it, it would be nice to have some sense of spiritualness to fall back on for hope. I also have a compound bow setup a part of my BOG. That mixed with my guns, one way or another I will get food for my family.

I also have those listerine breath tab sheet things. Hell I maybe bug out time but fresh breath is something I still want.

Given any amount of stress and uncertainty, everybody needs their flavor of psychological and "spiritual" comfort items. Call them useless or un-needed weight, but everybody, including kids, should have that comfort item. The Bible may be optional for many, but even those that don't share that faith need to consider adding whatever gives them peace-of-mind and refreshes their soul; over time, that will be a critical aspect to survival.

With that said, I've opted for my Kindle and my solar charger I downloaded a butt-load of classic literature novels, of course the Bible and a few devotionals and I have about two dozen zombie-novels to get through:D

I do like the idea of a simple recurve bow, but I would consider it for the vehicle or bug-out destination. They would be a good asset in skilled hands for silent game-taking. My only issue is that a bow and arrows would be a little cumbersome attached to the BOB (unless you have a break-down bow, but it would still be awkward to add onto a fully loaded pack). Bow hunting isn't something you'll do on opportunity game; you often have to scout, track, stalk and ambush game when bow hunting...not a lot of time to do that if you're humping it out on foot...

Canned items are good for the vehicle, but way to heavy for the pack. If freeze-dried food is too expensive, simple items can be just as easy and already mentioned: peanut butter, honey, Powerbars, instant soups, instant oatmeal, instant rice and beans; don't forget instant hot cider, coffee and cocoa. It would be nice to have all no-cook meals, but I've found it a good balance as there are times a hot meal can be a life-saver and not just a comfort item.

ROCK6

Rock6, where are you located??? That sounds like something my commander would chime in with... You wouldn't happen to be at Stewart would you?

by **ROCK6** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:51 am

ZombieSoldier01 wrote:Rock6, where are you located??? That sounds like something my commander would chime in with... You wouldn't happen to be at Stewart would you?

Just up the road at Fort Gordon...

ROCK6

by **ZombieSoldier01** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 6:34 am

Gotcha.

by **ninja-elbow** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:34 am

ZombieSoldier01, the reason it was warned agaisnt is we've got a no debating religion no debating politics rule here. Technically, what the OP did was not against the rules as there was no debate. In our experience though, just mentioning such things does spur debate. Most people that said something about it here were just coming from the perspective that it wuould spur debate - like a dog whose been slapped a few times too many. It did not so it was just fine.

Let's keep it that way alright? Please. This si a good thread and I'd hate to have to shut it down if it gets into religious debate zone.

If you have anymore concerns than PM me.

by **HKTackDriver** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:37 am

whisk.e.rebellion wrote:I would like to point out that the eighth item on your list is completely optional and will probably draw a considerable amount of flack from readers, which is why we try not to bring up things like that.

This was probably more offensive than his personal view on the bible. There are many stories that translate into excellent moral guides for children, whether you adhere to the strict interpretations that some people see. Saying that it shouldn't be brought up is offensive and I'm not very religious. People that give him flack should be reprimanded for intolerance of personal views. His mere mention of it did not intend to spark debate, especially listing it as #8, which you also pointed out.

Quite honestly, with the underlying humanitarian mission that is ZS, I'm perturbed by this...

by **ZombieSoldier01** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:39 am

Roger that buddy. It just seemed out of place, that's all. Wasn't aware of the debate about that here on the forum.

Anyways forgot to mention apart of my bug out bag is a Ontario Knife SP16 SPAX.

by **ninja-elbow** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:09 am

HKTack - what did I just post? Did you not read that? Nobody was offended. Just a friendly warning for others to not debate someone's fucking choice. Savy?

ZombieSoldier1 - you're all good man.

by **Woods Walker** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:39 pm

I have no problem with people listing any books within their preps. I don’t care if it’s the Bible, Moby Dick or War of the Worlds. If the literature has a religious or political nature just don’t debate those aspects. This is the Bug Out Gear forum of ZS so lets stay on topic.

Thank you.

by **Chirpy** » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:56 pm

PackLemming wrote:BoB for kids!

Id suggest at least one toy they wont squabble and fight over. :

Where is this toy they won't fight over? I have yet to see one of those... :-)

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by **TacAir** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:07 am

Witha family, you often have a lot of 'stuff' - a cart may be just the thing.

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by **Tommy Tran** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 3:28 pm

I pack a wrist rocket for opportunity game when on trail, nice and quiet, effective with some practice and ammo is bountiful, even that ammo could be scrounged within forum rules! hahahaah :rofl:

Our EveryTrail page · by **eugene** » Wed Nov 21, 2012 5:12 pm

Start with a risk assessment, decide what situations you are more likely to be in.
For example:
I have knows two different families who had to bug out of their house in the middle of the night ran and snow. One was in the suburbs so neighbors all handed them coats and shows. One was in the country, teen aged son ran barefoot 1 mile down the road to our house in the snow to call the fire department. I think about both situations, even though my kids BOB's are small they have a pair of hiking socks and their base layer underclothes and a poncho. Those hiking socks and base layer were bought for hiking and such so they don't go in the dresser with every day clothes, so I needed a separate place to put them anyway so I keep them in the BOB. If we do awake to a fire, grab the BOB on the way out and you have some clothing to keep from freezing until help arrives.
Another situation that I've known a few people face was extended loss of power during cold winter. The families all bugged out to hotels of family or friends houses. This situation is where the hotel kit comes into play, its not a get out as fast as you can because your life is in danger, its a need to leave if we can't get power for heat in another hour or two so start packing. The toiletry bag and some basics in a suitcase ready to go. I have family out of state and have had to use this layer for the relative died, come down for the funeral situation where I might stay a couple days.
Many people have had to BO due to a forest fire or threat of flood or hurricane, etc. So the hotel layer would go there to keep comfortable when away but here I would also open the safe and toss in the important documents folder and guns just in case my house doesn't make it.
So think about situations that could happen and plan for them.

by **cruz09067** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:49 pm

Just a few suggestions: instead of cooking using fueled burners, try grabbing some MRE heaters from your local surplus store or online. No smoke, easily transported, and can cook most canned goods in a hurry. Just make sure to double bag them in plastic zip bags. They're water activated. Plus I've already proven that I can use it to cook a packet of ramen in the standard military issue canteen cup. If smoke isn't an issue, get a fire starter kit. There's always stuff to burn.

Also I suggest shelter halves or old army ponchos. They can be snapped together to make a tent with some string, and fold up into cargo pockets. They can also be used to catch rain/dew for a water source, and used to hide stuff as well.

For firearms, yes a Henry Survival is a great choice for suburbs and wilds, but not very practical if you have to bug out of the city. Keep a .22lr or 9mm pistol handy. (PLEASE check local laws for concealed/vehicle carry first!!! The last place you want to be if everything goes to pot is in a cell at the local PD. Better to be in prison.) Personally, I have both 9mm and .45ACP pistols, 2 shotguns, 2 ARs, and a bolt gun in .308, but the wife and I have been shooting for a while, and have a plan for holing up in either the local reservior, or finding a nice hole in the dirt near Canada. (Some of those holes even come with fresh bear meat!

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Our plan is not for all, but it beats trying to take over a hold the local super store. If you can play nice with your neighbors, try to find shelter in an old school that has a bomb shelter for a basement.

by **angelofwar** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 5:05 pm

Poboyspecial wrote:Just out of curiosity, would anyone consider a long bow or recurve bow as part of their BOB gear?
Is it just not easily carried, or is it something considered more than a firearm?
Comments.... welcomed

No...I've had plenty of practice making my own "survival" ones, so I don't need to carry one. I've made a thread about them somewhere around here...

by **NamelessStain** » Fri Nov 23, 2012 10:52 pm

Just a few items to search for on the forums:
- feather stick / fat wood (instead of using newspaper to start a fire)
- hobo stove / wood gas stove (small, compact, cooking stoves which use wood as fuel)

Also I'd look to a pack with a frame instead of a duffel bag. Your back will thank you. Remember, all this stuff adds up to the weight of the pack. I myself have been pulling out items that I thought would be necessary, then I realize I really don't use them often enough to worry about them. Or instead of having 2, I only take 1.

A few things I think you overlooked:
- Water purification (either tablets, boiling, or filters. Clean water is ESSENTIAL. Remember each person uses and average of 1 gallon PER DAY so if I were you I'd focus on boiling)
- Knife (everyone has their preference, but get a good one and a whetstone, a dull knife is a spoon)
- Paracord and duct tape (too many uses to list here

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- Fire steel
- Flashlights
- Shammy (multi-use towel)

Enjoy!

by **Boondock** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:49 am

cruz09067 wrote: ... but it beats trying to take over a hold the local super store.

Welcome to ZS, it's kinda like Fight Club: we don't talk about things like this.

by **cruz09067** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:02 am

Apologies. I didn't mean to suggest illegal activity. I was actually trying to state that illegal activity such as that would not only be pointless and irresponsible, but also dangerous.

by **Boondock** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 12:11 pm

cruz09067 wrote:Apologies. I didn't mean to suggest illegal activity.

No worries.

Our EveryTrail page · by **eugene** » Sat Nov 24, 2012 2:40 pm

I just recently replaced my duffel with an Alice pack. My Camelbak is modular so I can take it apart and stick inside the Alice pack should need arise.
You have to use your gear, so we'll have days where its nice outside so we grab our camelbak's and go for a hike. So its another way to practice for a real grab your bags and go situation.
You don't want to go to walmart and buy a bag full of chinese junk and toss it in the back of a closet. Take the kids out on nature walks then buy them a small backpack so you can take longer walks. I went with the camelbak's to have water covered. Then add a spare pair of socks, some snacks, etc. Just slowly add a little gear at a time using it in between.

by **glaston** » Wed Nov 28, 2012 2:20 am

I've seen it mentioned that carrying a pistol for defense is better than carrying a firearm for hunting, because it's less likely that you'll have to hunt to eat than shoot to defend.
IMO, both are just as likely to be needed. I'd hate to be caught in a situation where I have to hunt with a pistol. There's no way I'd bug out to the hills without ways to hunt and trap. Doesn't matter how much freeze dried and canned goods I bring. If you're gonna take the initiative to prepare for a bug out situation, it makes no sense to only prepare for a short term scenario. Don't get me wrong, it's better than not preparing at all.
If you're bugging out, IMO, it's best to act like it will be a very extended situation. Possibly a situation where you won't be returning to life as you knew it.
You can't carry enough freeze dried and canned goods to last for any real extended period. And once you run out, then what?

Another thing to consider is that you don't just hunt and trap when you need to. Those are skills that take time to develop.
Having "things" is nice, and essential to a degree. But having skills that can put food in your families bellies is, IMO, much better.

http://www.youtube.com/user/poboyspecial · by **Poboyspecial** » Wed Mar 20, 2013 8:04 pm

We just went to the Prepper's Conf in Nashville and picked these up... 2 full size and 3 "slim" size from SOC (Sandpiper of California):
Mil spec
Made in the USA (The Zombie Bugout Bags are... you'll have to ask about others)
And totally my family's style! My wife is already loading them out for an emergency.