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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby Boondock » Mon May 07, 2012 1:46 pm

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ninja-elbow wrote:My first entry in. Fictionalized it some to turn an over-nighter with a friend into a ZPAW bug-out :shock:


Liked some of what you did on the trip--especially the pot hanger.

With the wood being that wet, I'm surprised you didn't say, screw it, and roll with the JetBoil.

Kudos on your persistence.


I said "screw it" and didn't bring it. Crystal B brougt his but I refused to use it as I have relied on mine for 5 years now. Time to shake it up and get out of my comfort zone and work a bit for my hot water :)

Sadly, no fire = no bannock. Was going to actually make a cornbread and pepper pre mix I brought wiht me. Ended up with just mashed potatoes and chicken with Tobasco sauce for dinner and pre-dinner was the sorrels and danedelion blossoms with oil and wine.


That's funny. Better luck next time.
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby ninja-elbow » Tue May 08, 2012 11:11 am

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I liked the pot hook and wet wood fire craft skillz. Good to see that Viking and hatchet. The tarp shelter looks good as well. Those found plastic utensils are made by GSI and are worth owning. Oh and nice pot hook. Still can’t get over just how wet those woods look.


Thanks, finally got to practice the "pot hook cut" this winter from Mors' Bushcraft book. Been working on my "try stick" too. Impetus to all this bushcraft was that strange first solo I took in July 2009 where I went nuts with nothing to do in the woods and ended up finding naked hippy chicks. Might as well stay occupied with bushcraft.

I saw the "GSI" on the utensils after I cleaned them up. That's like $10! Good to have those on file.

I decided, though I always have my Mora on my neck, to use that Viking more. I've said it before that I bought it for Viking re-creation stuff in 2000; stuff I don't do anymore. It's a great knife that cries alone when I don't use it. This past weekend it survived all that whittling I did as well as batoning all that wet-ass wood for 4-5 hours straight. There 'aint no shame in that knife. My only con I can think of for it is:
1) It's a laminated blade so it is thicker than a Mora. Sometimes that can be seen as a liability... for me it was batoning that "X" into the wood. It would go no deeper than the bevel. I could have put the Mora all the way through it.
2) I need to learn to sharpen that thing. I can get a good working edge on it obviously but I can't get it shaving sharp like I can other knives with various sharpening tools and techniques. I blame myself and not The Viking.

At the end of the day, having coffee and smoking cigarettes by the dead, pitiful ash pile that was our fire we blew on for 3 hours to get a pot of water hot, I cleaned up The Viking with my Lansky puck and some leather and put a drop of olive oil on it.

Wet Fire Wood: You ever been carving a roast, like it's some holiday party or maybe a nice brisket over some grill on a patio, and after you let it rest a good 15-20 minutes and you make that first cut and juice squirts out of it? You know that feeling of awe you get? It was exactly opposite when I chopped that first log of the driest shit we could find. I Pulled up that piece of dead fall, Crystal B was all, "It should be sort of dry." and I wanted to take that arm thick log down to batonable lengths; that first chop with the axe and water squirted out of it. All the rest of the wood was just as wet.

This is why we bring stoves. August is the only month you can rely on finding dry wood in these parts.

Speaking of dry wood, we took that stock of kindling we made, we had a good 2/3s of it left, and set it up under a log with good cover and off the ground in hopes some other backpackers wanting a fire could find it. I also left them some pine knots I found Sunday morning.
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby Woods Walker » Tue May 08, 2012 11:25 pm

Ninja-elbow.

I find sandpaper works best on a scandi plus a strop makes all the difference. Maybe the laminated steel is the issue? Not sure. Finding dry wood in a wet environment can be a PITA. Glad to hear you did the trail/camp site courtesy thing with the wood. A few times that karma building activity helped me out so I pass the goodness to the next person. GSI makes a bunch of plastic utensil sets. I must have 3-4 types and they all spank that worthless POS known as a LMF spork.
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby ninja-elbow » Wed May 09, 2012 10:44 am

I got a 4 pack of the LMF sporks too, have 3 left and they live in the picnic basket.S eriously, I have a picnic basket for them family times in the park. 8-)
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby bacpacjac » Thu May 10, 2012 3:17 pm

My 8 year old son wanted to go on a mom and son hike this weekend to celebrate Mother's Day but my Grandma landed in hospital so I'm going to throw him into the Jeep and head out on a visit/mock bug-out. We'll likely go to a Provinvial Park and are going to live off the stuff that normally lives in the Jeep (i.e. the family BOB) and an extra duffel with a change of clothes (we may visit the in-laws on the way home, otherwise we'd just live off the clothes in the BOB) and toiletries. I'm also bringing our fishing gear and a camp camp chair for him.
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby Tater Raider » Thu May 10, 2012 3:32 pm

bacpacjac wrote: We'll likely go to a Provinvial Park and are going to live off the stuff that normally lives in the Jeep (i.e. the family BOB) and an extra duffel with a change of clothes (we may visit the in-laws on the way home, otherwise we'd just live off the clothes in the BOB) and toiletries.

Totally qualifies IMO, and I'm interested in how it pans out.
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby bacpacjac » Thu May 10, 2012 3:35 pm

Thanks Tater! BTW - you inspired me with your pics. I may just add the bike trailer to see how it works out.
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby slannesh » Fri May 11, 2012 1:51 pm

Headed out this weekend myself, we're going a mock search in the morning and 24 hour survival (basically just an overnight with a less than full load)

Looking forward to trying out my new pack and we're not allowed to bring a lot of the usual gear, No gas stove, no sleeping bag or pad, no tent, no electronics(phones, iPods and the like) and no entertainment (books, cards) I will be bringing a camera to document as much as I can of the experience and it should be interesting. We're still hovering around the freezing mark at night and getting up into the mid teens celcius during the day so while it'll be a cool night it's certainly doable.

Full write up to follow next week :)
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby jamoni » Sat May 12, 2012 7:40 pm

Went out and did a (successful) bike overnighter. I don't think I'm going to enter it, though, because it boils down to "I rode my bike for 60 miles, slept in a hammock, and rode back". Also something about the ghost of Daniel Boone's Son-in-law.
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby rsnurkle » Sun May 13, 2012 7:11 am

jamoni wrote:it boils down to "I rode my bike for 60 miles, slept in a hammock, and rode back". Also something about the ghost of Daniel Boone's Son-in-law.

But aren't you compelled by the evangelical order of Those Who Hang to share your wondrous night's sleep as enlightenment for those of us who are mere ground-dwelling mortals? ;] Not mention it's always good to get detailed reports of what to do, in addition to fun what not to do AARs. And yes, I'm just a trip report junkie...
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby jamoni » Sun May 13, 2012 4:41 pm

Fine, fine. I'll do a video. :D
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby ninja-elbow » Mon May 14, 2012 12:09 pm

Mora down!! Omega-Man killed a Mora!!
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby slannesh » Mon May 14, 2012 12:23 pm

Well, I didn't get disqualified due to death. Though people on either side of me reported bears and I saw what i'm convinced was a very rare and dangerous speckled death salamander ;) I managed a night out in the bush with just a few scrapes to speak of. Once I see if my video is any good and get it edited i'll post that up with the few pics I did manage to take.

All in all it was a great day, Mock SAR search and then off to do shelters and spend the night in the bush.
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby omega_man » Mon May 14, 2012 12:33 pm

ninja-elbow wrote:Mora down!! Omega-Man killed a Mora!!


It has been said Marines could find a way to break an anvil :lol:
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby ninja-elbow » Mon May 14, 2012 1:30 pm

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ninja-elbow wrote:Mora down!! Omega-Man killed a Mora!!


It has been said Marines could find a way to break an anvil :lol:


As I always said: If you need a Mora broke, get a Marine :lol:

Keed, I keed. I would like to hear more details about the broke Mora though. It's like science and shit.
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby omega_man » Mon May 14, 2012 3:02 pm

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ninja-elbow wrote:Mora down!! Omega-Man killed a Mora!!


It has been said Marines could find a way to break an anvil :lol:


As I always said: If you need a Mora broke, get a Marine :lol:

Keed, I keed. I would like to hear more details about the broke Mora though. It's like science and shit.


Well, I was batoning some Eastern hemlock (baton being hickory) and going at it like a red-assed ape. Mora broke at the tang inside the handle. I really can't elaborate further than that. Nothing against my beloved Moras, now I just know to throttle back a bit :)
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby ninja-elbow » Mon May 14, 2012 4:55 pm

Sounds like there might have been some angle issues too. I do know though, wasn't me! Hit it hard enough it'll break though.

Reminds me of when I was on the St. Louis, my amphib, and I had this Marine helping me out doing some PMS on a hatch. We were reefing hard on some dogs with some socket and ratchet tools on the hatch and they weren't moving and another Marine, some saltier Sgt-type (wha?... 25 years old :lol: ) was all, "It's a tool, not a club. Hold it right shipmate."
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby Woods Walker » Mon May 14, 2012 7:08 pm

omega_man wrote: Well, I was batoning some Eastern hemlock (baton being hickory) and going at it like a red-assed ape. Mora broke at the tang inside the handle. I really can't elaborate further than that. Nothing against my beloved Moras, now I just know to throttle back a bit :)


Nice looking campsite. Yup someone can break a Mora. I pulled a 546’s blade a bit out of the plastic handle trying to baton. The stick was just too much and the beating legionary. The knife lives today in my kitchen. The #2 is 1095 but Mora knives aren’t the world’s thickest blades. There are pros and cons to this however been considering buying one of these not that any Mora will give up the ghost without a fight.

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"The Craftline Robust is a new model for heavy utility or Bushcraft work. The carbon steel blade is about 4 inches long, 3/4" wide, and .126" thick. That's about 1/8", and the thickest blade on a Mora knife to date."

Nice entry and thanks for posting. :)
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby slannesh » Tue May 15, 2012 11:03 am

Well I got my first entry up.But couldn't get my youtube video to embed. Am I being stupid or is there a trick that I don't know?

I did try the "YouTube" button at the top there, but it didn't seem to work


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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby bacpacjac » Tue May 15, 2012 1:11 pm

We did and we didn't die! LOL!
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We had a great time and learned a lot along the way. Like a few of the others, this was a vehicle-based bug-out. We used two of our best-case bug-out to the East plans, one southerly route and one northerly, avoiding the main highways, and camping overnight in two Provincial Parks.

The reality of staying in Provincial Parks posed challenges of it's own, that I thought I'd share:

- we had to use designated fire pits so were limited in where and how we could erect our shelter, while using the fire for warmth
-there are no trees close to fire pits in Provincial Parks. This is good forest fire prevention but makes it hard to tie a tarp close to the fire (this is where the tent and paracord are worth their weight)
-you are not allowed to bring your own firewood to Provincial Parks in the this area because of invasive bugs. That means you have to rely on your destination for this vital resource.
-park 1 had no downed wood but an open woodlot to buy firewood, which we processed with an ax to make kindling
-park 2's woodlot was closed so we had to rely on what we could forage, which was all damp-one of the downsides of arriving at camp with only a couple of hours is that we didn't have as much time forage for wood was we would have liked
-finding standing deadwood was a huge challenge. Almost all the deadwood we found at site 2 was on the ground
-neither site had trees suitable for hanging a bear bag. (This is where the Jeep was worth it's weight. Well, that and saving our feet.) Because it's a provincial park, you have to respect your site boundaries, though there seemed to be only about 4 groups of us using the parks that weekend and we were very well spaced out

Other things we learned:

-having a map of the bug-out route that includes alternate spots to camp (i.e. plan b, c and d) is a huge plus if a situation happens where you have to change your plans on the fly.
-a 6 ft long tent makes a good one-man shelter but is too small for two people if one of them is 5'7"
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby jamoni » Tue May 15, 2012 3:14 pm

jehicks87 wrote:Jamoni, I loved your video! Bummer about the bike, bro. I've been thinking about getting into bikepacking... have you ever thought of starting a thread on here to share your experiences and tips in that arena? I'd love to read it!

Oops, missed this. I usually post stuff like that in the "Bugout Bike" thread over in transportation.
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby ninja-elbow » Tue May 15, 2012 6:44 pm

Black Dog's entry got me thinking about Coleman products. They really seemedto have upped their shit in the past year or so. They always kept wiht the decent carcamping stoves and lanterns, but other gear I have had of theres in the 90s and early 00s really sucked shit. Now, it seems, they are making a small dent in other things.

They have decent dehydrated food. They have produced a flashlight line I like (90 lumen flashlight and a decent headlamp). I have a queen sized airmattress I trust and consistently use for car camping and rafting trips. Were they once producing a backpackable stove unit until recently?
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby bacpacjac » Wed May 16, 2012 9:35 pm

Wow! These entries are truly inspiring. Thanks gang!
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Re: 2012 Spring/Summer Mock Bug Out Contest chatter/input

Postby FreeRider » Wed May 16, 2012 10:21 pm

Wow terrific timing!

Heading out for a 2 day bike into the Canadian Rockies in a couple days...not really roughing it as I'll probably be bringing the heated tipi over the paratarp (might still get hit with snow). As always I shall shoot some video and concoct a few min clip. Excited to take a read thru the other entries now :).
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