Buying Crap Gear On Purpose

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Post by Silent Kube » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:17 pm

So in my attempt to drop a few pounds before the Zombies bite them off, I've decided to start walking to work. It's less than a mile each way but it's a start. Still, I don't think my versapack jumbo is going to cut it anymore due to it getting irritating having all the weight either on one shoulder or around my neck so I decided to pick up one of these.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE983-1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It'll hold a little more and will be my new EDC/GHB bag. I know it's crap gear, but it's what I can afford right now and I was kind of thinking that if I pack a sail needle and some waxed thread and some other repair items, it might be good practice for making repairs in the field when it's not an emergency so I can do it efficiently when it is. Am I just a silly bastard for thinking this way or has anyone else purposely bought substandard gear for training purposes?

BTW, Yes I do plan on saving for a better bag, but this should work at least until the snow falls. Also, I'm choosing black to blend in with the urban environment so don't give me any shit. lol.
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Post by majorhavoc » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:42 pm

Silent Kube wrote:So in my attempt to drop a few pounds before the Zombies bite them off, I've decided to start walking to work. It's less than a mile each way but it's a start. Still, I don't think my versapack jumbo is going to cut it anymore due to it getting irritating having all the weight either on one shoulder or around my neck so I decided to pick up one of these.

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MOLLE983-1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It'll hold a little more and will be my new EDC/GHB bag. I know it's crap gear, but it's what I can afford right now and I was kind of thinking that if I pack a sail needle and some waxed thread and some other repair items, it might be good practice for making repairs in the field when it's not an emergency so I can do it efficiently when it is. Am I just a silly bastard for thinking this way or has anyone else purposely bought substandard gear for training purposes?

BTW, Yes I do plan on saving for a better bag, but this should work at least until the snow falls. Also, I'm choosing black to blend in with the urban environment so don't give me any shit. lol.
I don't think you need to be quite so apologetic for using less than top tier gear. I doubt there are many among us who have, or can even justify, top of the line everything. The important considerations are as always, does it work for you, will it hold up, is it something you're comfortable with and can count on?

Sounds like you've identified the one major potential gotcha with this bag, that it might not be (OK, very likely isn't) as robust as a tier one bag with a price tag to match. The only thing I'd encourage you to do is go one step further beyond carrying with you the means to repair it. And that is to take some proactive steps to reinforce strap attachment points, closely inspect critical seams and where practical, back up things like zippers with straps that you can cinch down to alleviate stress.

Hey, at least you're not using that back-to-school book bag purchased from the nearest Old Navy store, over-stuffing it with BO gear and calling that your one and only plan to get you and your stuff 50 miles in three days to your bug out location.

Here's a thought: why don't you do an honest review on that ModGear Tracker bag and give us some real world feedback on the trade offs you exchange for the $40 purchase price? I always appreciate reviews of off-brand gear as long as I don't sense the reviewer is overstating the product in order to justify their purchase decision.

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Post by Caenus » Mon Mar 26, 2012 8:50 pm

Ha! My wife has that same bag and has used it for three years hunting and hiking. Hasn't fallen apart yet but it faded rather quickly. Don't sweat it, should hold up fine. Besides, rarely do most people on this forum wear out their gear before getting the newest shiny stuff. Does help to have a name brand to resell it though. (check out the trading post, some people actually gift top quality items. Nice folks!)
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Post by Silent Kube » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:06 pm

Thanks, good to know it won't give out on me the way I thought it might. I still think I'll take the good majors advice on shoring up what I can though. All I really need it to do is get me home where I can grab my actual BOB. I was kind of looking forward to fixing it in the field though. I guess I'm still a little kid but I have a feeling most of my walks to work are going to be imaginary bugouts just to pass the time.
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Post by Caenus » Mon Mar 26, 2012 10:01 pm

That is a good mental exercise. Keep in mind that the cheapo stuff may serve just as well as the top tier stuff under day to day use, but for extended Periods of abuse when you absolutely CANNOT have your gear fail, that is what the good stuff is for. Think of it as an economy of usage. Don't go buy the best ever bag if you plan on getting something new a year from now. But your bugout bag, or any gear you think will be put under tremendous stress should be good stuff. That being said, buy the best that you can afford. In my situation I can buy any gear I want but I buy quality for key components. For example (without dropping names to be mistaken as a snob) I have a secondary bugout bag I keep in my truck at all times. It's really just an expanded get home bag since I have kids. That means I HAVE to go home to get them if anything happens. That bag is a cheap Chinese knock off. My good bags are at home where I hope to get them. It rarely gets abused to keep it in decent shape. In that bag are some cheap Hi Tec SWAT style boots in case I get caught out in flip flops. Things I have learned not go cheap on are socks, sunglasses, firearms, main bags and tools (knives included).

I guess I'm saying don't sweat a cheap bag. Even cheap bags are made better nowadays than the bags I remember picking up in the 80's.

I still have a North Face daypack from the 90's that is solid as a rock and some other gear I won't. Other mentioning. If you pray by the "buy once, cry once" mantra, it ends up paying for itself in the end.
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Post by Silent Kube » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:01 pm

My BOB is a decent condition ALICE. It's something I will upgrade in time but I think it'll do the job no problem if I have to bug out before I get the chance. Basically all this bag has to do is get me home most likely from work. Something I could probably do with no gear whatsoever but I'm paranoid like that. Besides, if I get used to carrying a pack on a day to day basis, my real BOB won't be so heavy should the day come.
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Post by moab » Tue Mar 27, 2012 12:47 am

That bag looks like it fulfills your purpose for right now perfectly. I wouldn't apologize for it at all. If it's what you can afford now. Better to buy it now. Than to wait around a year for the one really want. And it doesn't seem like $40 will put you back that far from getting what you actually want any later.

And ya. Do a review.
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Post by yossarian » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:39 am

If you can live with ACU (or dye it, black RIT might make a really cool urban camo) then this might work too. A little less money and fewer questions about durability.

http://tonystactical.com/index.php?main ... cts_id=100

I bought one in DCU from him off of another board and he's got great feedback there.
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Post by moab » Tue Mar 27, 2012 2:28 am

yossarian wrote:If you can live with ACU (or dye it, black RIT might make a really cool urban camo) then this might work too. A little less money and fewer questions about durability.

http://tonystactical.com/index.php?main ... cts_id=100

I bought one in DCU from him off of another board and he's got great feedback there.
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Post by Silent Kube » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:27 am

I'll keep that in mind. Haven't seen that site before. Unfortunately I've already ordered the other one. Oh well. Since I'm hoping to upgrade in a year or so I'm going to really put it through the ringer and see what it can handle. Might even take it on a mock bugout or two with the premise that I wasn't able to get home for my real BOB and had to just book it out of the city with what I have.
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Post by Fletch » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:43 am

I have one of these, mainly to carry my paperwork to and from school when I'm giving exams, and it's held up really well; although, the only complaint I had was that the strap attachments were made of cruddy plastic that did eventually explode one day, causing me to have to carry the bag by the handle til I got home - replace them if they are plastic and it should be good to go.

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Post by moab » Tue Mar 27, 2012 1:17 pm

Silent Kube wrote:I'll keep that in mind. Haven't seen that site before. Unfortunately I've already ordered the other one. Oh well. Since I'm hoping to upgrade in a year or so I'm going to really put it through the ringer and see what it can handle. Might even take it on a mock bugout or two with the premise that I wasn't able to get home for my real BOB and had to just book it out of the city with what I have.
Check the return policy. That small MOLLE pack is bulletproof. Proven military stuff. If you could return that one. And buy the MOLLE one. I would. You won't be buying crap gear then. ;)
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Post by 74 or more » Tue Mar 27, 2012 4:31 pm

I say get it. I'm looking at the Fox Tactical bag that is almost identical to that one for around the same price. I plan on using it for the same thing you are; EDC/GHB.

Buying cheap stuff can be a roll of the dice but lots of times when I buy cheap crap it turns out to be pretty good or it lasts till I want/need a better one. I bought some off brand knife about 7 years ago for $5 and I still use it to this day. But I wouldn’t apply this philosophy to something like water treatment. Sometimes you need to spend the money.

Look at it this way: if it really is garbage it'll probably break in time for you to send it back and if it ends up lasting it'll almost definitely last long enough to get your $40 out of it. All just my opinion.
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Post by Jeriah » Tue Mar 27, 2012 5:52 pm

Generally speaking, I would rather purchase used, faded, lightly to moderately worn, decades-old USGI gear, and some foreign surplus, rather than cheapo, made-in-China knockoffs of current gear. An old ALICE pack will keep going strong for decades even after it's been sold as used surplus, while a brand-new Chinese commercial pack selling for the same price or more is likely to wear out and/or fail far sooner.

I've got an ALICE pack I bought in high school, literally more than half my life ago (was 14 when I bought it, am 32 now), that's got stupid band logos drawn on it in Sharpie under the layers of spray paint camo I threw on there to cover it up when it was my first BOB, that I am fairly confident will outlast a brand new $40 Chinese backpack. Also, I paid half that much for my ALICE, and I'm pretty sure you can still get them for that.

As has been said, MOLLE is now old enough that you can easily get a lot of MOLLE gear in Woodland, Desert 3-color, and ACU, for about the same price as the Chinese knockoffs. And it is also quite well-built.

So, to answer the OP's question: No, I will never knowingly buy crap gear, when I know that I can get high quality military surplus gear of much higher quality, for the same price or less.
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Post by moab » Tue Mar 27, 2012 9:21 pm

Jeriah wrote:Generally speaking, I would rather purchase used, faded, lightly to moderately worn, decades-old USGI gear, and some foreign surplus, rather than cheapo, made-in-China knockoffs of current gear. An old ALICE pack will keep going strong for decades even after it's been sold as used surplus, while a brand-new Chinese commercial pack selling for the same price or more is likely to wear out and/or fail far sooner.

I've got an ALICE pack I bought in high school, literally more than half my life ago (was 14 when I bought it, am 32 now), that's got stupid band logos drawn on it in Sharpie under the layers of spray paint camo I threw on there to cover it up when it was my first BOB, that I am fairly confident will outlast a brand new $40 Chinese backpack. Also, I paid half that much for my ALICE, and I'm pretty sure you can still get them for that.

As has been said, MOLLE is now old enough that you can easily get a lot of MOLLE gear in Woodland, Desert 3-color, and ACU, for about the same price as the Chinese knockoffs. And it is also quite well-built.

So, to answer the OP's question: No, I will never knowingly buy crap gear, when I know that I can get high quality military surplus gear of much higher quality, for the same price or less.
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Post by zenlunatic » Thu Apr 12, 2012 9:59 pm

@OP

Dont know if these are out of your price range, but they're MOLLE gear made in USA and 50% off:

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Post by jamoni » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:01 am

I've been known to go this route. I'm with Jeriah in that I'd rather get used quality gear than new junk.
However, One of my favorite packs is a Fox frameless backpack. I got it for the first ZCon, and it's still going strong. I've had two rips, both of which were my fault. One, I shoved it under a bed with some protruding springs, two, I cranked the compression straps down over a pointy object. Both were repaired with needle and thread, and it's doing great.
The other thing to look for is quality civilian gear at thrift stores. You can pick up some very nice packs if you keep your eye out. My current everyday pack is a black Targus laptop backpack, which has all the pockets, support, adjustments, and whatnot you could ask for. $1.99.
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Post by Silent Kube » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:19 pm

Sorry for the lack of updates. It actually showed up within a couple days of my first post. Unfortunately, I haven't had a chance to test it out yet because I threw my back out the day before it got here and it still hasn't completely healed. I do have to say, I've read reviews complaining about the quality of the stitching but it seems to be fairly sturdily built. I don't know if they read the reviews and corrected the problem or I just got lucky but I don't see the stitching coming loose anytime soon. The zippers are reasonably heavy duty and slide really well. For it's small size, it holds quite a bit. It's probably too heavy at this point but I wanted to see how much I can get in in. I've got everything I can imagine needing and I still have room for more. My only concern is the plastic hardware. It doesn't seem particularly flimsy, I just know plastic breaks eventually. As I said, I have a large ALICE for my actual BOB, this is mostly a combination EDC/GHB/Carry my stuff for work bag so I think it'll more than serve my purposes. Especially since I plan on replacing it with something better before the year is out. Of course that may depend on how this bag performs.
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Post by Aim2Maim » Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:11 am

I have purchased quite a few mod gear pouches/packs/accessories from CTD and am very pleased with all of it. I love the pouches I have bought so far, great (and CHEAP) alt to kifaru pouches, and have held up quite well. I use a modgear pack for my range bag that gets extensive use and never have had any issues with it. Sames goes for multiple pouches for my bob/camping pack. Like some have said, not all of us can afford the best of everything and if it serves the purpose you need than go for it!
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Post by Kutter_0311 » Sat Apr 14, 2012 4:54 am

Jeriah wrote:Generally speaking, I would rather purchase used, faded, lightly to moderately worn, decades-old USGI gear, and some foreign surplus, rather than cheapo, made-in-China knockoffs of current gear. An old ALICE pack will keep going strong for decades even after it's been sold as used surplus, while a brand-new Chinese commercial pack selling for the same price or more is likely to wear out and/or fail far sooner.

I've got an ALICE pack I bought in high school, literally more than half my life ago (was 14 when I bought it, am 32 now), that's got stupid band logos drawn on it in Sharpie under the layers of spray paint camo I threw on there to cover it up when it was my first BOB, that I am fairly confident will outlast a brand new $40 Chinese backpack. Also, I paid half that much for my ALICE, and I'm pretty sure you can still get them for that.
Dunno what you paid, but here's a brand new Med ALICE for $25.

They have camo, too, also new, for the same price. Lg ALICE's are used, but $20.

There is no reason to buy crap gear when surplus is so fucking cheap.
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Post by jimmiwan » Sat Apr 14, 2012 6:18 am

moab wrote:
I bought the full size ruck for ten dollars more from him. A GREAT guy! Great service! Can't beat his prices.
Do you mean this one:

http://tonystactical.com/index.php?main ... ucts_id=64" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I noticed the price after looking at this thread and was thinking of purchasing it. How satisfied are you with it?
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Post by oldsoldier » Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:07 am

My main bob is a brit Bergen. I traded for it, I believe, for a goretex .mil jacket. Here is my advice; military issue gear is great, but our US stuff isn't as comfortable as some other issue stuff. The Bergen is an internal frame pack, rugged as hell, and in the 7000 ci range. That's about the only piece of bugout gear I own that is military. The simple reason being that, if you have to carry stuff for long distance, you want comfort. There is plenty of quality civilian gear out there that is inexpensive, and more comfortable than the military equivalent. People talk about durability-I used to be an ultralight hiker, and had a very light pack. They only reinforcement on it was for the top part of the shoulder straps. I used that pack for 4 years, and it survived. As flimsy as it looked, the only real abuse it took was taking it off and putting it on the ground. The majority of the time your pack will bee in one of two states; in your back, or on the ground. You likely will hardly ever have to drag or throw it. So, keep they in mind when shopping too. backpacks are mostly over engineered, and most users will never abuse their gear to the point of pack failure.

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Post by Turtlewolf » Sat Apr 14, 2012 2:30 pm

Whichever one you keep or get it may be a good idea to get an aerosol tent water proofing agent and give her a coating, but about the crap gear I'm not sure how to answer that as my idea of crap is different than most of the Hive Mind on this forum.
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Post by 74 or more » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:05 am

I figured this was a good place to ask this question. Would anyone spend $25 on this?

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004MH32B ... =8-2-spell" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Its definitely cheap/crap gear. And obviously youd have to use a rain fly/tarp. But for $25 bucks? Anyone?
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