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Re: Tactical pack or hiking pack?

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 5:30 am
by KnightoftheRoc
Kutter_0311 wrote:
My E-tool can go inside my ALICE pack...
Actually, that's one item that's better off OUTSIDE the pack. The width of the case keeps it from wobbling much, even on the ALICE clips, and if you have the wooden handle type, the handle can slide under an outside pocket (there's a space behind each of them like a 'tube', open at top and bottom, for just this reason)- I use the center location for mine. The straps for the top don't get in the way, and it's pretty accessible there- you'll want the pack off for any digging anyway. The M1945 Combat Pack had a similar setup (minus the pockets) for the E-tool to strap on, with a strap to hold the handle of the E-tool. I just 'borrowed' the idea for the ALICE rig, and it worked out well. You might want to use the old 1910 hook style holder if you have a USGI E-tool, as that lets you hang the carrier just a tad lower, and it won't interfere with the top of the pack at all.

M1945 Combat Pack pic: http://www.olive-drab.com/od_soldiers_g ... _m1944.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; There's a good drawing on the left side, if you scroll about 1/2 way down.

Re: Tactical pack or hiking pack?

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:03 am
by Figs and Bacon
I'm not sure if Australia has anything like an REI, but if so, check them out. The packs made by high-end pack makers (like Osprey, Arc'teryx, Gregory, etc) are amazingly comfortable. They would be my choice of pack any day over anything else. The tactical packs look nice, but they're not going to be as comfortable in my experience.

Re: Tactical pack or hiking pack?

Posted: Wed May 04, 2011 8:37 pm
by zoiders
Another problem with relying on having odds and sods (important odds and sods that are better clean and dry) lashed to outside for extra carrying capacity is that you can't shove it all in the main compartment and more importantly an immersion bag.

Heavy rain and storms, maybe a need to cross a river with a pack as your flotation device, both of these are going to be problem.

Re: Tactical pack or hiking pack?

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 4:08 am
by Indiana
Weighing in as an Aussie here.

Mountain designs or Kathmandu are the places to go for your bag. They arent brilliant for survival gear or BOB items but one thing they do do well are bags.

For Kokoda you want as light a pack as you can get your hands on I havent done the walk but have some friends who have and the only difference between the kokoda track now and during the second world war is the military police and the food.

Re: Tactical pack or hiking pack?

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 5:10 pm
by Paulie771
Why not get both with a Kelty Falcon 4000? I just received one and not only is it the most comfortable hiking pack I've ever owned, it's covered in MOLLE if you desire to add stuff...

for $175 it's hard to beat (compared to modern backpacking packs)

http://www.amazon.com/Kelty-Tactical-Fa ... 327&sr=8-1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here's a review from Arfcom: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b ... 8&t=635257" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ETA: I've used ALICE/Hellcats, MOLLE II, a North Face, a Mountain Hardware, and now this Kelty. It's *BY FAR* my favorite.

Re: Tactical pack or hiking pack?

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 7:10 pm
by AuSpider
Figs and Bacon, we have a few places like REI, with high quality gear available, just not the same brands that you mentioned (I have seen Osprey equipment around though)

Hey Indiana, I'll be checking those places out, along with Snowgum and Passion8 (those are the stores that we have here in Hobart), right now I'm not focusing on survival and BOB gear, I'm getting equipment for Kokoda, which as you said, will be lightweight, comfortable gear (I'll be buying it all retail, and not online). After that, will see what equipment from that I can use in a BOB bag, and add to that what is needed :)

Good call as well on the difference between the Kokoda Track then and now, best way of putting it!

I've been searching for Kelty gear here, as I like the look of their gear and they seem to have lots of positive reviews. Especially the Falcon 4000, probably not big enough for the necessary gear for a longer hike (3 night walk, 80L pack is ideal for me, it may seem excessive, but as I said before, I like all my gear on the inside of the pack including my tent), but for a BOB, it looks ideal. Here, online their hard to come by, nothing in retail, theres even bugger all of their gear on ebay.

Re: Tactical pack or hiking pack?

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 8:20 pm
by Paulie771
They also make the tactical 7850 if the 4k isn't enough, though its $230. Will amazon not ship oconus?

Re: Tactical pack or hiking pack?

Posted: Thu May 05, 2011 9:24 pm
by Indiana
yeah ignore Passions and snowgum they deal more with travel than hiking camping now. You will pay a fortune for what you get and it wont really be suitable.

Also the Jolly Swagman in Elizabeth st lol. they have a quite good selection and anaconda

Re: Tactical pack or hiking pack?

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:21 am
by cave
A few points:

It is useful to have more than one compartment for a BOB. I prefer a single compartment pack for bushwalking, but for a BOB you will have everything packed for an extended period of time rather than packing/unpacking every day. This means your sleeping bag will get crushed and things you might want to use day to day (snacks, radios, first ait kit) are less accessible. So, I would consider a backpack with more than one compartment (I'm looking at an Osprey Kestrel if my Atmos ever dies).

Get what is comfortable. Go to a shop where they will load up and fit a few packs for you (Paddy Pallin eregood for me, interestingly the sales outlet was better than their retail shops! The Ringwood outlet is worth a trip if you are in Melbourne). Even if you go a different way, you will know how they go about fitting you.

Not sure how common tactical packs are in Tassie now but as of mid-2000s in Launie no-one would blink or look twice at someone with a hiking or travel pack. Not sure that would be the case with a hunting or tactical pack.

Work out what is comfortable and what volume you need, then look out for sales. Get your other gear (including food/water/consumables) together first. That way you know (a) your pack is big enough and (b) your gear isn't too bulky and heavy.

Good luck

Re: Tactical pack or hiking pack?

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:30 am
by cave
Some brands/models available here for you to consider, looking at about 50L for a BOB:

- Osprey Kestrel
- One Planet ultralight series
- Aarn bodypacks

as well as others mentioned above.

Again, if ever you are in Melbourne, have a wander down Little Bourke St from Elizabeth to Queen St; the outlets are on Smith St, Fitzroy; Paddy Pallin in Ringwood is worth a visit eg. Osprey packs at $99 when I bought mine late last year.

Re: Tactical pack or hiking pack?

Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 4:47 pm
by AuSpider
cave wrote:Some brands/models available here for you to consider, looking at about 50L for a BOB:

- Osprey Kestrel
Damn mind reader :lol:

I Picked up the Osprey Kestrel on Saturday. Its a great pack, havent had the chance to field test it yet, but my impressions on it are good. The frame system is great, with a length adjustable frame. I got the 38 L version, which is primarily a day pack, but would be able to be used as a warmer month 2-3 night pack, or comfortably as a emergency BOB pack. I'm in need of a new multi-day hiking pack, so I might look at the Kestrel 68.

I was in Melbourne in January, and went looking at the outdoor gear stores that you have there. So unfair, the range of products is massive compared to here, and the prices are that much lower.
cave wrote:Not sure how common tactical packs are in Tassie now but as of mid-2000s in Launie no-one would blink or look twice at someone with a hiking or travel pack. Not sure that would be the case with a hunting or tactical pack.
Hiking packs dont get a second glance around town, but if someone was carrying a tactical or hunting pack, they would be open to all kinds of abuse here from all kinds of groups :roll:

With my Kokoda Trek, the travel agency finally convinced me to use the porter service. For $600 extra, the trekking company hires one of the locals from the villages to carry the big pack of the trekkers, while they carry their day gear. It may seem like a soft way out of it, but the best thing about it is that 100% of that money goes directly back into the communities in the area, plus the porters are there for extra support and help when needed, and without such a big pack weighing me down, I can look around and enjoy the experience that much more, so its a win-win.

So the Osprey Kestrel is the pack that I will be walking Kokoda with, that should be a decent field test for it.