The Winter Bug Out Contest! Rookie of The Year Award!

Items to keep you alive in the event you must evacuate: discussions of basic Survival Kits commonly called "Bug Out Bags" or "Go Bags"

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Postby Woods Walker » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:40 am

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Woods Walker wrote:Given the prize list I can't believe there is only one entry to date (mine doesn't count). Is ZS that soft? :lol: I think next weekend I will get the snowshoes and do up a second 3 day trip.


Sitting at 55 and clear here, seems like a bit of a cheat so hanging tough for some weather.


It looks like the high temp will be around 14F with a low around -5F and some light snow for the weekend but with the weather who can tell. It could get even colder in the hills. I am going to pack the larger 4-man tipi and -15F downbag. Maybe your luck will turn though it kinda sounds funky hoping for bad weather. :)
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby Blackdog » Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:43 am

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Woods Walker wrote:Given the prize list I can't believe there is only one entry to date (mine doesn't count). Is ZS that soft? :lol: I think next weekend I will get the snowshoes and do up a second 3 day trip.


Sitting at 55 and clear here, seems like a bit of a cheat so hanging tough for some weather.


It looks like the high temp will be around 14F with a low around -5F and some light snow for the weekend but with the weather who can tell. It could get even colder in the hills. I am going to pack the larger 4-man tipi and -15F downbag. Maybe your luck will turn though it kinda sounds funky hoping for bad weather. :)


I love the winter but this one has been a bust so far, more mud than snow. Clear to hit the trail this weekend (can't waste a open calendar) so going with or without apocalyptic weather with the option of doing it all again later if we get some real weather. Looking forward to seeing some more entries start to roll in.
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Postby riverjoe47 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:40 am

Field testing the bug out rickshaw/sledge (BORS )for strength . May as well feed the insatiable Earth Stove .
Seemed like we were going to lose the snow but getting cold now . Should be a high of 13 on Fri. but now I have to build the shelter .

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Postby Bakeel » Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:40 pm

Just to try and help get people "fired" up for the contest here is a picture of the prize I am offering up to 1st, 2nd, 3rd place.

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Postby aa1pr » Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:27 pm

Looks like this weekend will be ours to get into the contest
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Postby delta8113 » Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:39 pm

I'm in. Can't wait to see everyone's pictures and videos.
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Postby elricfate » Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:47 pm

Woods Walker wrote:Given the prize list I can't believe there is only one entry to date (mine doesn't count). Is ZS that soft? :lol: I think next weekend I will get the snowshoes and do up a second 3 day trip.


I just got back from Montana. Cut me some slack. :-D
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby Woods Walker » Thu Jan 20, 2011 12:19 am

Blackdog wrote:
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Blackdog wrote:
Woods Walker wrote:Given the prize list I can't believe there is only one entry to date (mine doesn't count). Is ZS that soft? :lol: I think next weekend I will get the snowshoes and do up a second 3 day trip.


Sitting at 55 and clear here, seems like a bit of a cheat so hanging tough for some weather.


It looks like the high temp will be around 14F with a low around -5F and some light snow for the weekend but with the weather who can tell. It could get even colder in the hills. I am going to pack the larger 4-man tipi and -15F downbag. Maybe your luck will turn though it kinda sounds funky hoping for bad weather. :)


I love the winter but this one has been a bust so far, more mud than snow. Clear to hit the trail this weekend (can't waste a open calendar) so going with or without apocalyptic weather with the option of doing it all again later if we get some real weather. Looking forward to seeing some more entries start to roll in.


The forecast is getting better: :lol:

Friday, AM snow with high of 21F low 4F.
Saturday, partly cloudy high of 16F low -3F.
Sunday, partly cloudy high of 13 low -8F.

The 3-days on the AT should be fun. I imagine the temps will probably drop 4 or 5 degrees colder in the hills so maybe if extra lucky (crossing my fingers) will get double digits below zero F. My buddy wants camp as well. The guy has been in -8F and lower but not with a long hike tossed into the mix. I was planning on 15 miles but his wife would kill me if he got a cold injury. Not sure what to do? The snow base should be about 20-30 inches with a thick crust. I could float the camp but if the base is less I would have to dig out and this is a pain in the back side. It’s great to have another set of hands around camp though. One person sets up the shelter and the other gets wood and water (both are my lifeblood in winter). Another person is a good safety net and can pack extra gear items making a larger shelter possible. On the downside there is a competitive nature to most people and always end up hiking faster than is needed. Maybe I could pack the sleds to a lean-to like the Hemlocks and live large for the trip rather than beat ourselves up? I am also looking forward to seeing more entries.

This brings up another topic of responsibility. If anyone is looking to enter make certain your ducks are in a row and all plans including expected return times are told to family and friends. There is no shame in backing out at any time, even in the field. Failure is often a better learning tool than success.
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby Canadian Guy » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:05 pm

Woods Walker wrote:
The forecast is getting better: :lol:

Friday, AM snow with high of 21F low 4F.
Saturday, partly cloudy high of 16F low -3F.
Sunday, partly cloudy high of 13 low -8F.

The 3-days on the AT should be fun. I imagine the temps will probably drop 4 or 5 degrees colder in the hills so maybe if extra lucky (crossing my fingers) will get double digits below zero F. My buddy wants camp as well. The guy has been in -8F and lower but not with a long hike tossed into the mix. I was planning on 15 miles but his wife would kill me if he got a cold injury. Not sure what to do? The snow base should be about 20-30 inches with a thick crust. I could float the camp but if the base is less I would have to dig out and this is a pain in the back side. It’s great to have another set of hands around camp though. One person sets up the shelter and the other gets wood and water (both are my lifeblood in winter). Another person is a good safety net and can pack extra gear items making a larger shelter possible. On the downside there is a competitive nature to most people and always end up hiking faster than is needed. Maybe I could pack the sleds to a lean-to like the Hemlocks and live large for the trip rather than beat ourselves up? I am also looking forward to seeing more entries.

This brings up another topic of responsibility. If anyone is looking to enter make certain your ducks are in a row and all plans including expected return times are told to family and friends. There is no shame in backing out at any time, even in the field. Failure is often a better learning tool than success.


Awesome, weather looks good to create some challenge. Given the snow conditions you describe I'm not entirely sure whether I would dig out the tent area or float it on top? I think I would float it on top if the crust was solid enough to not punch through. Have a good one!
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Postby xxxDarksidexxx » Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:21 pm

BURRRRRRRR woodswalker!

thats some cold there! good luck. i cant wait to see that trip posted!

well it will be in the low 30's high 20's this weekend in the area i plan on camping for this trip, but i wont be able to get out this weeked. :cry:

keeping my fingers crossed in hopes of getting some more cold temps over the next few weeks again when i will be ready to get out... :(
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Postby aa1pr » Thu Jan 20, 2011 7:41 pm

xxxDarksidexxx wrote:BURRRRRRRR woodswalker!

thats some cold there! good luck. i cant wait to see that trip posted!

well it will be in the low 30's high 20's this weekend in the area i plan on camping for this trip, but i wont be able to get out this weeked. :cry:

keeping my fingers crossed in hopes of getting some more cold temps over the next few weeks again when i will be ready to get out... :(



My son is going out tommorrow afternoon to participate in the contest...I am a bit worried as I heard we may have -20 this weekend

He'll do his thing & I post the pic and words to share
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Postby xxxDarksidexxx » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:07 pm

aa1pr wrote:
xxxDarksidexxx wrote:BURRRRRRRR woodswalker!

thats some cold there! good luck. i cant wait to see that trip posted!

well it will be in the low 30's high 20's this weekend in the area i plan on camping for this trip, but i wont be able to get out this weeked. :cry:

keeping my fingers crossed in hopes of getting some more cold temps over the next few weeks again when i will be ready to get out... :(



My son is going out tommorrow afternoon to participate in the contest...I am a bit worried as I heard we may have -20 this weekend

He'll do his thing & I post the pic and words to share



thats crazy cold temps! i hope he gets out, but hope is safe.

coldest i ever camped was mid 20's. i didt it no problem, but wonder how i would do at sub zero temps... :?
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Postby Woods Walker » Thu Jan 20, 2011 8:33 pm

Canadian Guy.

Yea I hate when the snow is like that. I don’t think the crust will support me so will try and pack it down first and see what happens with the set depth.

xxxDarksidexxx.

We will be taking two pulk sleds so should be able to pack in a bunch of gear. Heck I could go to Mars with two sleds. :lol:

aalpr.

I just read a new forecast for -16F and bet at elevation it could be -20F or lower in my camp. I think the lowest temps maybe for Sunday guessing at 3-4 am but the hourly forecast doesn’t go that far. They show a few snow showers and this could be a good thing. A clear sky overnight + large cold air mass overhead + snow on the deck + favorable local topography = a rapid temperature plunge. If the deck is already -20F falling off that could make for good times. I recommend you keep an eye on your son and take the proper precautions.
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Postby wyominglostandfound » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:00 pm

would not happen without a woodstove. stay safe
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Postby RGR SNAPLINK » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:17 pm

Went out again for a day hike the last 2 days. Here are some pics from yesterdays little jaunt. I saw a huge cottonmouth sunning himself on the rocks by the river. Got away before I could snap a pic. Got my feet wet crossing the river on the way in. On the way out, my dog decided he had had enough and wouldnt move from a rock in the middle of the river. So waded back out to grab him and wound up swimming a bit. :shock: pretty cold.
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Had lunch on a little rocky island just below the falls. Used a flat rock I found as a hot plate to heat up my rice. Its the Uncle Ben's already cooked kind you just have to heat up. No boiling needed.

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Trying to dry out my socks and insoles in the sun.

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Postby aa1pr » Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:48 pm

Woods Walker wrote:
xxxDarksidexxx.

We will be taking two pulk sleds so should be able to pack in a bunch of gear. Heck I could go to Mars with two sleds. :lol:

aalpr.

I just read a new forecast for -16F and bet at elevation it could be -20F or lower in my camp. I think the lowest temps maybe for Sunday guessing at 3-4 am but the hourly forecast doesn’t go that far. They show a few snow showers and this could be a good thing. A clear sky overnight + large cold air mass overhead + snow on the deck + favorable local topography = a rapid temperature plunge. If the deck is already -20F falling off that could make for good times. I recommend you keep an eye on your son and take the proper precautions.


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He has a -15 bag but am not sure if I should let him use the MSS for added safety. I dont mind letting him use stuff but at that age [14] he tends to think he owns it afterwards

We have cell for backup & I plan on calling him every two hours

I hope it snows as it has to warm up in order to snow, as where he will be bugging out is on the windward side of the mountain

I am also a bit concerned about the ability to find downed timber underneath the snowfall we have, for fire, but that is part of the challenge

I know he will be fine as he spent several nights 2 years ago out in his snow cave in worse weather

Darkside:
I bought a sled last year in preparation for a pulk but have never had the time to work on it.
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby Woods Walker » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:27 pm

aap1pr

Tell him to target standing deadwood saplings.

Wyoming.

Yea I will be packing a stove but have done worse in a bivy sack. Not all that fun.

RGR.

I would have liked to see that cottonmouth. I haven’t been down south in a decade.
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Postby Regulator » Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:41 pm

I’ve done a bit of camping. Pretty much been using the same, or same type of gear for 20 years or so. I think this contest is great in that it will get some people out with gear they haven’t used in the past and give them an opportunity to try things out. I already have confidence and experience with my gear. Since the official rules said there’s no limit on gear, I went with less.

Here’s what I took.

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A wool blanket, my kukri knife, the camera shown and the one I took the pic with, a camera tripod in a case with a strap, a small first aid kit in the little pouch to the left, and a chicken salad snack. In addition to these items I had some of my EDC most of a bottle of Gatorade and a Snickers bar in my jacket pocket leftover from lunch the day before.

Here’s my route
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Around 8am 1/8, I grabbed a bagel and cream cheese and headed out.
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About 40 minutes later I parked in a little clump of trees in the corner of a pasture. I slung the tripod, draped the blanket over my shoulders, camera on its strap around my neck, Gatorade in my hand and started walking down the road.
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I didn’t have to walk very far before I found some baling twine in a pasture, also along the road. This allowed me to sling my blanket and Gatorade across a shoulder and still had plenty left to stuff in my pocket.
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A view down the road towards the river valley.
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It was along here that I found a couple feet wire hanging on a fence post. I put that in my pocket also.
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I left the road here and veered off to the right to get down to the water. It was still cold but the sun was out and it looked like it was going to be a good day.
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Once I got to the creek, I didn’t walk all the way to the river. There was a lot of trash laying around intermixed with the driftwood. You can see bottles and cans, even a ziplock baggie! I put the baggie in my pocket as well as a pop can. I also found some sticks that I intended to use for a bow drill later.
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I followed the creek for a ways. I was keeping my eyes open for a rock with an indentation in it for use as a bearing block. I found one that wasn’t great but would work so I stuck it in my pocket. A bit further I found some flint in the steeper out croppings. My hands and pockets were full at this point and I had a pretty good size ravine to hike out of ahead of me. I decided to use my t-shirt as a bag. I still had my sweat shirt, hoodie and Carhart on. I used some baling twine to tie off the neck and sleeve holes and filled my new bag with my recent ground scores.
If I were planning to be out for a few days this would have been a good place. The grass in the pic on the right was perfect for making a grass hut. Already in bundles even!
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A view from almost the top of the ravine.
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I kinda wandered around for a while. Just exploring the area. I found some nylon rope tied to a tree, I left it. I also found some rose hips growing in some of the clearings. I picked all I found.
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The open area became more wooded as I got closer to where I intended to find a campsite.
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Along the way I found this packrat nest. I kicked it apart and a very small rat ran out. I didn’t even go after him since he was so small.
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I walked down one side of the valley and finding no good campsites I crossed over to the spring. Fresh clean water. No cropland or other pollutants here.
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I also found another packrat nest and after kicking it apart was able to add a rather large rat to my bag. Not only do packrat nests contain food (the rat) but often you will find nuts still in the shell. You also can find dry kindling there even in a rain storm and tinder in the form of his nest. I helped myself to his nest an put it in the ziplock baggie I found earlier. I kicked apart a third nest and the rat was able to escape into a hole.
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I headed back up the valley a little ways and found a nice spot to make camp. Not to far from the spring.
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I dumped my stuff and took stock of what I had to work with. On the left, everything out of my pockets and the right my ground scores for the day.
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No campsite is perfect and this one had old barbwire running right between the trees I wanted to use. So I grabbed my Gerber and promptly busted the cutting carbide. So I bent the wire back and forth till it broke.
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I started clearing an area for my shelter and stacking up some firewood.
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And the frame of my shelter starts to take shape.
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After a good solid frame was laid up I covered the shelter with a good layer of cedar limbs. It was starting to warm up even though the sun was no longer shinning. I had to shed my coat to keep from breakin a sweat.
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I used my blanket to gather and carry leaves from an area that had more leaves on the ground. I piled these on and around the shelter. There was some kinda little red vine growing all over the place that kept catching my hands and feet when I’d try raking up leaves. This was a pain in my ass, but after 15 trips or so, I had enough leaves.
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I used more cedar limbs to hold the leaves in place as I built up the sides of the shelter.
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Once I had a good layer of leaves I covered the entire shelter with cedar limbs.
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And then larger limbs to keep everything in place and from blowing away.
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The view from 20 feet or so behind the shelter.
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It took about 3 hours to get the shelter put up and while I had an hour of daylight left I decided to get a fire going. I found a green limb for the bow and strung it with my found baling twine. Gathered up my tinder and kindling. Whittled out a fire board and spindle an commenced to burn in my spindle.
About the time I started getting smoke signifying that the spindle and board had mated, my twine broke (inset). This wasn’t a big deal because I was about to stop and cut the notch in my fire board anyway. It did however show that nylon twine won’t work for a bow drill.
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I carved a notch to catch my ember and restrung the bow with the outer case from a length of 5/50 and was back in business. It took a few seconds longer to create an ember do to the low temperatures but I got a nice ember within a minute or so (inset left). Dumped it into my rat nest tinder bundle and added a bit of kindling. (inset right)
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Success, and heat. I built a fire ring putting larger flat rocks to the back of the fire to reflect heat towards me in the shelter.
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Now that I had my shelter, heat and water needs taken care of it was time for dinner. So I skinned and dressed out my rat.
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I went back to the spring to refill my water and wash my rat, hands and knives. Once back to camp I skewered the rat and as he was cooking I cut the top off a can, folded the edges and added a piece of wire for a handle. I sliced my rose hips and added them to water for tea. Rose hips have something like 60 times the vitamin C as lemons and don’t taste bad at all. You can see my snickers bar by the fire to keep from freezing.
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With my rat grilled to perfection I decided it was time to eat. Now I have eaten rat, and would again if I had to, but this time I opted for chicken salad. Hate to disappoint but Hanta Virus has been found locally and there is no cure.
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I enjoyed my chicken salad and crackers, some rose hip tea and 2/3 of my snickers bar saving the rest for the next day. I should also mention that by this time it was plenty dark in the woods. Without a headlight, I simply loosened my hat band and slid my Surefire into the side. This worked very well, plenty of light.
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I just watched the fire burn for a bit and relaxed. I piled some wood against the shelter sides for easy access during the night and wrapped up in my blanket. The bed of leaves was quite comfortable and I could feel the fires heat radiating into the shelter.
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The view from my shelter as I went to sleep. Snow.
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I slept well. Waking up cold only 4 or 5 times and putting wood on the fire. The following morning I had a dusting of snow and around 20 degrees.
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Time to stoke up the fire and get to work.
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I gathered some of those frustrating vines that were giving me trouble collecting leaves. I stripped off some cedar bark and found a little branch of dead wood and took it back to the fire.
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Once back to the warmth of the fire I whittled out three snare triggers. Two of one design and one of another. I also made a bit of cordage from the cedar bark. It is worth mentioning that it was difficult to get the cedar bark to work right when it was that cold out. By the time you had the inner bark warm enough to be flexible it was to dry to twist and had a tendency to just break. I had to use very fine strands and while it was possible, it was not nearly as easy as it is to do when the temperatures are warmer. I did find it was easier to twist the dry fibers if I wetted my finger tips in the snow first.
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Since I had the inner strands from the 5/50 cord I used on the bow drill in my pocket I opted to use them in setting up my snares. I set one at a den close to the spring, one along the streambed where animals had run in the past and one in front of a hole using some of my snickers bar for bait. The rest was my breakfast.
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Back at camp I thought I’d try my hand at basket making. You are always in need of containers so I started weaving those red vines. It didn’t take to long, maybe an hour, and I had a little basket. I put my flint in it.
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I played with the flint for a while. Seeing what kinda sparks I could get from it. It was more for curiosity sake than anything as I didn’t have char cloth. A Gerber tool is not optimum for a striker either. I walked up the valley a ways just exploring the area and enjoying the outdoors. Was hoping to find some sheds but no luck this time.
Once back to camp I picked up my things and headed back down to the spring to remove my snares as I wouldn’t be coming back. Two of them were undisturbed, and one looked like this.
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I was away from the area maybe 3 hours and this nosey squirrel get his-self snared. This is in no way typical of how snares work. I never would have thought anything would approach these snares for days. I made no effort to conceal my scent or even much care in funneling the trails to the snares. Curiosity kills cats and apparently this squirrel too. So, he’s now in my freezer.

A view of my camp as I left it. About 2:30pm 1/9.
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I walked about a quarter mile back up to my truck and drove back down to the water and picked up a bunch of trash.

Observations:
You can get by with very little equipment if you know some basic skills.
Most everything is more difficult when it’s cold. Allow extra time.
Lithium ion batteries don’t work in the cold. Alkalines work much better.
Burning long logs in the middle keeps you from having to chop them in half to use them.
Cedar bark is hard to use for cordage in the winter. I should have grabbed hemp stalks by the river.
If I were planning to stay longer I would have rocked up the ends of the shelter a little and made the fire reflector larger.
Gerber wire cutting carbides are as brittle as the rest of their tools.
Had I stayed longer I would have saved the rat guts for snare bait.
Nylon twine has some uses but a bow drill isn’t one of them.
Not all squirrels are smart.


Disclaimer: Hanta Virus is very serious and there is no cure. You can be exposed to it just by being in areas rats and mice frequent. I do not recommend eating or even being around them unless you are truly in a survival situation.


No animals were harmed in the making of this thread. Except that rat and stupid squirrel.
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby Woods Walker » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:05 am

Cool entry. I need to review it some more later but packing up right now for a trip. Yup it is better to let the fire do the work for you. Sometimes I will slide longer branches and saplings into the fire or let it burn them in 1/2, just depends on the size. What type of wood did you employ for the spindle and fireboard?
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Postby Regulator » Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:30 am

Woods Walker wrote:Cool entry. I need to review it some more later but packing up right now for a trip. Yup it is better to let the fire do the work for you. Sometimes I will slide longer branches and saplings into the fire or let it burn them in 1/2, just depends on the size. What type of wood did you employ for the spindle and fireboard?


Thanks! The wood was driftwood, so no bark or anything. I'm going to assume it was cottonwood. I just grabbed some that was off the ground and dry. I pressed my fingernail into it and it seemed right. Not a hard wood but not extremely soft either. I like to use cottonwood. Very common up here and works very well. I use the same on both the spindle and fireboard as opposed to some who use a harder spindle.
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby wyominglostandfound » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:41 am

now that right there is how it's done. i am not 1/3 the bushman that you proved you are. and great hunting skills!! the minimalist approach is not for everybody and i don't endorse it unless a person has years of experience. there is no shame in taking your equip. and using it but this post proves that a comfortable survival situation can be possible with next to nothing. patience and will power, as well as determination are important. getting frustrated and panic are your worst enemies. Thanks for that amazing demonstration! wyo.
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Postby the_alias » Fri Jan 21, 2011 7:53 am

Regulator: Man that is a badass entry right there, awesome stuff : get yer ass over to bushcraft and write a Bushcraft Basics on bow drill fires and trap making please :D
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby Murph » Fri Jan 21, 2011 8:38 am

the_alias wrote:Regulator: Man that is a badass entry right there, awesome stuff : get yer ass over to bushcraft and write a Bushcraft Basics on bow drill fires and trap making please :D


I agree with that on all accounts. Impressive!
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Re: The Winter Bug Out Contest! NOW WITH PRIZE LIST!

Postby riverjoe47 » Fri Jan 21, 2011 9:25 am

If ever I'm on a plane that crashes or a stage coach that gets hi jacked I know the Hombre I'm tagging along with . Talk about minimalist... Holy Shit :shock:
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