Ultimate ZS Battle/Scout Belt Thread

[Big B]

Question: do you have the Molle or Tec-Loc. I have never seen a Tec-Loc in person and just curious if it would be possible to change the Tec from verical to horizontal carry even if that calls for drilling a couple of holes?

Oops, I totally missed this question until now

I ordered mine with MOLLE since my plan is to use it on my belt pictured or one of my MOLLE packs. You can also use the MOLLE on regular belts, but it's not a snug as the Tec-Loc.

I have Tec-Loc on some other Blade-Tec items (Taser holster, mag pouches, handcuff pouch, etc) and it works very well for attaching stuff to my duty belt or riggers belt. The Tec-Loc attachment has multiple holes on it so you can mount the pouches at different angles.

[sigboy40]

So after a long weekend deer hunting I think it is time to revamp the belt. The small pouches are going to come off, and most of those items are going into my pockets.
This will free up all of the front of my belt for ammo and what not. I also had a big problem slinging my rifle on my right side with my pistol. I am currently debating going to either appendix carry or cross draw with my pistol. This should allow me more freedom of movement. I'm looking for opinions either way, but I'm tires of ringing my stock against my pistol.

[crypto]

hey sigboy, do you have any previous iterations of molle belts you're selling? I'm in the market and looking to save a buck by buying used.

[phil_in_cs]

So after a long weekend deer hunting I think it is time to revamp the belt. The small pouches are going to come off, and most of those items are going into my pockets.
This will free up all of the front of my belt for ammo and what not. I also had a big problem slinging my rifle on my right side with my pistol. I am currently debating going to either appendix carry or cross draw with my pistol. This should allow me more freedom of movement. I'm looking for opinions either way, but I'm tires of ringing my stock against my pistol.

Nothing like running your gear all day for a couple days to figure out what works and what doesn't. I like my 6004 for the pistol if I'm getting all dressed out. Single strap version.

[northernxposure]

Sigboy40 -

I find my self preferring cross draw, but the gun is also a revolver. I find that I can sit comfortably without having to adjust anything unlike appendix, but it's not a perfect solution. Because of that I'm looking to move to some kind of chest holster, or something like the HPG kit bag to get the pistol off my belt. I don't use it enough, unless I'm purposely hunting with it.

How are you carrying the rifle, with something like the Kifaru gun bearer or just the sling?

NXP

[sigboy40]

hey sigboy, do you have any previous iterations of molle belts you're selling? I'm in the market and looking to save a buck by buying used.

Sorry, all I have currently is the ATS warbelt, I already dumped all the cheap ones. My next option is the HSGI belt, but I will probably keep the ATS together. You can get it pretty cheap and use whatever belt you want as a liner. I'm currently using an old Bianchi duty bet I just had laying around.

[HKTackDriver]

Without jumping into the minidrama of opinions, I'll say that this is why I like ZS - you get a whole bunch of different approaches to solve the problem of carrying gear. Some people have unique ways of doing it, which appear fruitless and some are innovative and interesting. This falls under the later category. I personally like being able to have all non shooting essentials in one main bag and my shooting/war equipment on me. It enables me to stick and move, which I prefer to chewy bars on my hips!

To that end, I carry and Eberlestock bag and a chest rig with holster, mags, pistol, AR mags, knife, flashlight(s) and radio. One pocket is large enough carry extras that I may want to keep on me, like all personal info, deed to my house, etc - or a hydration bag if I keep those papers in my pack.

My theory is that I don't bug out, my bag is for INCH. With that known, if I'm INCHing, I need weaponry and mobility to use that weaponry. I can shed a pack, drop it and either come back to it or fight back to it. Me surviving is the #1 priority.

Anyway, that's jut me, but I like what you've done, it'd be a great hiking setup for me, so I'll have to look into it.

[sigboy40]

Hktackdriver, that is where my warbelt originated, a rig that allowed me to run with or without a daypack, who's primary mission was to use while chasing big mule deer on mountain tops. Molle allows me to change whatever I need to depending on mission. Following this, I also like all of my gear to be modular and work together as much as possible. The scout belt is the base of that. From there I can add a chestrig, my GHB, and/or my BOB without changing anything. When I get to INCH gear is where life gets interesting, but that's another thread.

It looks like my next option is to try the 6004 before I go buy another holster. Whether I works or not, I have one and it's worth a trip or two.

I also am going to look again at running one nalgene instead of two canteens, provided I can find a pouch that runs the nalgene lower, I still need to be able to wear my pack over the top of it.

The biggest lesson here is that gear has to fit the mission, and that means not being married to any partcular item, and letting your gear evolve on it's own.

[slik_pulla]

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who makes that rip away panel for med pouch???

[TDW586]

IIRC that's by Jones Tactical. I used one made my tactical tailor that was pretty sweet. I switched it out for an ATS tear away FAK, IMHO that's the best option.

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[slik_pulla]

IIRC that's by Jones Tactical. I used one made my tactical tailor that was pretty sweet. I switched it out for an ATS tear away FAK, IMHO that's the best option.

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sweet thanks for the info

[grand94jeep]

IIRC that's by Jones Tactical. I used one made my tactical tailor that was pretty sweet. I switched it out for an ATS tear away FAK, IMHO that's the best option.

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I bought his old TT panel from him. It's a pretty good panel, for what I use mine for. I use it to carry my main IFAK on my backpack.


IMO you have to jerk it pretty hard to seperate it, if you have the 4 snaps engaged. Without the snaps snapped, my IFAK has pulled the panels apart an uncomfortable amount with rigorous use. I found a compromise and now only snap the top two.

[TDW586]

IIRC that's by Jones Tactical. I used one made my tactical tailor that was pretty sweet. I switched it out for an ATS tear away FAK, IMHO that's the best option.

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I bought his old TT panel from him. It's a pretty good panel, for what I use mine for. I use it to carry my main IFAK on my backpack.


IMO you have to jerk it pretty hard to seperate it, if you have the 4 snaps engaged. Without the snaps snapped, my IFAK has pulled the panels apart an uncomfortable amount with rigorous use. I found a compromise and now only snap the top two.

Yeah, I did the same thing, snapping the top two seemed to work best.

[cdnkelly]

You need to get rid of those $10 multitools and get leathermans. When you purchase gear, you need to not only ask, "can I bet my life on this", but you also have to the Answer that question. My Leathermans are real combat vets. I have been using them in the worst places on earth since 1986.

[omega_man]

You need to get rid of those $10 multitools and get leathermans. When you purchase gear, you need to not only ask, "can I bet my life on this", but you also have to the Answer that question. My Leathermans are real combat vets. I have been using them in the worst places on earth since 1986.

WTF???

[sigboy40]

SPAM, in my very favorite thread......

[cdnkelly]

Sig Boy, Your scout belt is an overloaded version of the old ALICE webgear from the 70's and 80's prior to the assault pack era. Since we have been in war for the past 12 years, Load Bearing Equipment has advanced drastically. What your are trying to develope is a "Sub Load", also put on the back burner of the "vets". The Subload was intended to augment the "fighting vest" with a primary focus on carrying your pistol. The subload proved to be too bulky and was always competing the FLC and armor for room. When you squated down the FLC and Armor would imping on the subload belt. Also, wearing it in a vehicle was extremely uncomfortable. Now -a-days, no one wears anything below the waist, except maybe a leatherman on the pants belt and the pistol in a high rise holster. And everyone "test" their loads several times in real action to refine it. Everything you have in your kit could be easily put into an "assault pack", usually less than 1000ci. In the new three pack loadout plan used by the military in Afgan now, the assault is just the basics to get you through the fight that you are in. Ammo, Water, batteries, and a few extra IFAK items. The medium pack is normally what ZS calls a BOB, everything you need to live on for 24-48 hours. It's also your resupply bag for your pocket tackle. The medium pack is what you grab when you vehicle is hit and you have to run. The third pack is the main ruck. Goes with you everywhere, you never know when you have to pull into someone else's FOB and spend the night. Take no offense on the comments, I got more than my fair share of combat since 2001.

[BullOnParade]

Sig Boy, Your scout belt is an overloaded version of the old ALICE webgear from the 70's and 80's prior to the assault pack era. Since we have been in war for the past 12 years, Load Bearing Equipment has advanced drastically. What your are trying to develope is a "Sub Load", also put on the back burner of the "vets". The Subload was intended to augment the "fighting vest" with a primary focus on carrying your pistol. The subload proved to be too bulky and was always competing the FLC and armor for room. When you squated down the FLC and Armor would imping on the subload belt. Also, wearing it in a vehicle was extremely uncomfortable. Now -a-days, no one wears anything below the waist, except maybe a leatherman on the pants belt and the pistol in a high rise holster. And everyone "test" their loads several times in real action to refine it. Everything you have in your kit could be easily put into an "assault pack", usually less than 1000ci. In the new three pack loadout plan used by the military in Afgan now, the assault is just the basics to get you through the fight that you are in. Ammo, Water, batteries, and a few extra IFAK items. The medium pack is normally what ZS calls a BOB, everything you need to live on for 24-48 hours. It's also your resupply bag for your pocket tackle. The medium pack is what you grab when you vehicle is hit and you have to run. The third pack is the main ruck. Goes with you everywhere, you never know when you have to pull into someone else's FOB and spend the night. Take no offense on the comments, I got more than my fair share of combat since 2001.

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[Evermoore]

"OH! I bow to the new, yet obviously superior overlord of the Internet. May my armchair aspire to be as cozy as yours!"

[cdnkelly]

Sig, sorry to be so harsh, sometimes I'm too overbearing, so take no offense of my comments. Also if you still working on your belt. I have a USMC IFAK pouch and two large vertical pouches I will send you. I would put the IFAK in dead center of back and then either canteens on either side, or the large pouches. Also, all is coyote brown. I going to send you this PM also.

[praharin]

...we have been in war for the past 12 years...

You're posting from the future!!!?

[cdnkelly]

I can't find were I left off last night. I'm bad a communicating in an "unoffensive" way. So, I DO APOLOGIZE to Sig Boy and that other gentleman (I can't find that post) for coming across as too arrogent or a jackass. I forgot to add that I'm bull headed, stubborn and tend to ramble on when I post something. I'm trying to get better at communicating on the post so it doesn't sound so offensive. I'm not here to offend, just to share my opinion. So, I APOLOGIZE from beginning! If I sound like I'm being offensive, just ignore me. Thanks everything, Kelly in Corpus

[cdnkelly]

Evermore, I had my shoes on and only had what's left of my fingers to count on! And I claim TBI, TBI, TBI!!! Also read my other post, apologizes to one and all and especially you if I came across like an ass, it was not intended, I just got rambling and went on and on. I NEVER mean to offend anyone, so if I come across like an ass again, just ignore me.
Also, how do I post pictures with a reply?

[Turtlewolf]

As for improvements I'd like to eventually replace the so-so survival knife with a decent K-bar or something similar. It works fine for now, so I'm in no rush to do so.

For the record the 499 Ontario is not an "also ran" knife. It is thicker than the USMC Combat Knife (incorrectly called a Kabar) at .185 of an inch compared to .167 for the USMC. It is shorter at 5" compared to 7" but has a superior pommel fitment and a superior finnish on the metal, parkerizing holds oil very well and powdercoating is a cheap, pathetic coating when machine applied that is far inferior on carbon steel.
I like both knives but the 499 has been a constant friend since 1994 and although it has many short comings it does all jobs pretty well.
cheers