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Post by wyominglostandfound » Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:52 am

guys and gals, i am drawing ideas and cutting patterns for a new bug out pack. it will have at least 5000 cu. inches of space and have a water bladder pocket. i have some other ideas but i wanted as much input from any of you that desire certain features in a pack or a combination of
features that is not available in a pack on the market right now. it will be very rugged and double/triple stitched and the fabrics will be as tough as i can get my hands on. the load will be well supported and hug the back without slippage. i have been working on this idea for over 18 months now and it is time to start sewing. hopefully i can produce something that resembles a high end pack and not some grotesque piece of feces. time will tell.

please let me in on all your thoughts and ideas you all have on packs and i will consider everything and use what i think will work for this project. i will post pics. of the project in stages as it moves along..... right now the colors will be olive green cordura with acu nylon main bag. i have some camo webbing but it doesn't really match the fabrics tone or shade. for a proto it shouldn't matter. please post your ideas..... thanks, wyo.
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Re: new pack input from ZS members....

Post by driftking777 » Mon Jan 04, 2010 8:58 am

Hey! Someone from close to me lol. My one thing i can think of off the top of my head. Im guessing this is going to be a large cinch sack center section. Make the inside of it a bright color (Yellow/white) Make it easier to see inside the sack at the contents.
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Re: new pack input from ZS members....

Post by wyominglostandfound » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:28 am

driftking777 wrote:Hey! Someone from close to me lol. My one thing i can think of off the top of my head. Im guessing this is going to be a large cinch sack center section. Make the inside of it a bright color (Yellow/white) Make it easier to see inside the sack at the contents.

will do..... the acu fabric that i was planning on using is a lighter tone so that is no prob.
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Post by Necrodamus » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:29 am

Is this pack going to have a frame?

I have an SDS Airborn frame but the molle II pack sucks. If it could mount to the SDS airborn it would be awesome.

Sew a single strip of PALS webbing across the inside top of the main compartment.
Then you can clip one of these in... SO-LED
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Post by wyominglostandfound » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:34 am

internal frame stays. that is the plan anyways.....

so you want some molle type loops?
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Re: new pack input from ZS members....

Post by wyominglostandfound » Mon Jan 04, 2010 9:35 am

Necrodamus wrote:Is this pack going to have a frame?

I have an SDS Airborn frame but the molle II pack sucks. If it could mount to the SDS airborn it would be awesome.

Sew a single strip of PALS webbing across the inside top of the main compartment.
Then you can clip one of these in... SO-LED
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Re: new pack input from ZS members....

Post by Finch » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:02 am

wyominglostandfound wrote:
Necrodamus wrote:Is this pack going to have a frame?

I have an SDS Airborn frame but the molle II pack sucks. If it could mount to the SDS airborn it would be awesome.

Sew a single strip of PALS webbing across the inside top of the main compartment.
Then you can clip one of these in... -----> SO-LED<-----



where do you get those lights??
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Post by wyominglostandfound » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:05 am

thanks!..... missed that one. :oops:
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Post by Chef » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:16 am

Slightly off topic, but I have two of those SO-LEDs and I think they suck. Cheap, cheap cheap. And the attachment clip is easily broken. As inexpensive as they are, I won't be buying any more.
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Re: new pack input from ZS members....

Post by Redbad » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:41 am

You might want to look at the Mystery Ranch military line of backpacks for ideas. http://www.mysteryranch.com/s.nl/sc.7/category.54/.f They have packs up to 7500 cubic inch size. Mystery Ranch is out of Bozeman, MT which is right in your back yard.

Gregory has the Whitney pack which also a 5000+ci pack. Granite Gear has a Stratus pack which is 5000+ci.

The problem that you will run into with packs with this capacity is that you will be tempted to fill your pack to the point that you will be overloaded. A 7500 ci pack can be loaded in excess of 130 pounds. Hiking with this kind of load, especially in any kind of terrain or elevation, will limit you to short trips. You will not be able to move tactically -- you will be doing a slow motion shuffle.
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Post by Finch » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:01 pm

wyominglostandfound wrote:thanks!..... missed that one. :oops:
just bustin your balls

it is a neat light
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Post by wyominglostandfound » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:02 pm

mystery ranch is my main source of inspiration right now. i really like that 3 zipper
main body. it lets you open up the pack almost completely so you don't have to unload to get to
stuff at the bottom. it will be used in this design but it looks a little tricky to build. i want to keep this
pack load capacity at or below 5000 C.I. just so that i don't hurt myself with an overload.
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Re: new pack input from ZS members....

Post by 6UNF1GHTER » Mon Jan 04, 2010 12:57 pm

Some features that I would like to see in a pack:
1. PALS webbing
2. Front opening 'tongue'
3. Compatible with external frame

Ideally, something that could fit onto an ALICE frame... the gen 1 MOLLE frames are no good, but the DE 1606 paratroopers frame would be cool. ALICE frames are pretty common, and you can pick up the DE (downeast) frames direct from the maker. Here are a couple of packs that are kinda like what I'd want:
HSGI TRASH bag
Downeast


Those could give you some ideas.
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Post by wyominglostandfound » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:50 pm

build in progress.....

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Post by aa1pr » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:56 pm

Here are my recomendations:

I personally always like the option of mounting my patrol pack on the main pack & seperating the two when needed. I know on some of the commercial packs you have the top lid that removes into a day pack but I feel those suck. The CFP90 was a good attempt but the patrol pack sucked!

Tons of pals, molle webbing on exterior and a few interior. Lashing loops on the bottom of the pack to carry external items.
Several exterior pockets of varying sizes not necassarily molle or pals but affixed. For those handy items you do not want to tear the main pack apart for. How about the fold out seat/shovel pocket like on the UM21 packs?

Of course hydration compatible like you mentioned.

Large YKK freeze proof zippers are a must. No zippers on main body of pack to gain access.

The last one and maybe not so important to some but an option of various camo patterns as foliage varies around the country. Up here in VT I feel woodland works better than multicam.

On a side not I would love to be a beta tester for these packs...

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Post by elkhills » Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:19 pm

I'm not very knowledgeable about packs, but +1 on the detachable daypack.

I like the separate sleeping bag compartment on my pack- I don't have to get into the main pack to get at it. Maybe something like that, or else a zippered bottom for easier access?

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Post by vyadmirer » Mon Jan 04, 2010 10:22 pm

Yeah I'm not an expert on packs either. I'll be watching this thread out of interest. Cool project. :D
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Post by lunchboxTBC » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:11 pm

How about a map pocket worked into the shoulder straps and some zipper closed pockets on the waist belt... or a nice long pad with the ability to mount pouches to the belt... Maybe make the well padded waist belt removable with a colapsable butt pack... I think the belt will be very important with a pack this big as it helps take the load off your shoulders. Also try to keep the pack shallow front to back, I always heted the way the Alice pack pushed all the weight out away from your body. High and wide seems better to me than 2 feet of gear sticking out behind you.
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Post by Sckitzo » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:16 pm

Maybe a dedicated (possibly detachable) pocket on the outside for a small/medium FAK? Could be pre marked or not, but something easy to get to if you need it.

Hmm, maybe insulate the waterbladder area so it doesn't freeze.

A piece of webbing for a D-Ring on the shoulder so you can hook your sling up to?
A sturdy carry handle so you can hang it from a tree or other place up off the ground
Drainage holes in the bottom maybe?

Sorta just tossing ideas out, try to think some more up.

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Post by 6UNF1GHTER » Mon Jan 04, 2010 11:21 pm

I'd like the idea of a daypack or patrol pack option also, so +3 or whatever it is by now. :lol:

Wyo-
for a pack of that cubic size, ext. framed would be the way to go IMHO. What are you planning on using for a framesheet if you go internal?

Here is a list of features that have been mentioned so far:
- Hydration compatible
- Internal cinch sack
- Possibility of using off the shelf external frame
- PALS webbing (inside and outside)
- Zippered access to main bag
- Daypack / patrol pack option
- YKK zippers (good call)
- Lashing points on the exterior
- Exterior pockets
- Fold out seat (UM21)
- Map pocket


- Bail out clips on shoulder straps (if you are including straps)
- Drain grommets
- Hard pocket for a canteen and cup?
- Some velcro panels, inside

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Re: new pack input from ZS members....

Post by wyominglostandfound » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:37 am

if i could put all these ideas into this pack it would be the ultimate!
i will do what i can but packs are really a pain to build. i promise there will be some flaws but
i will make it as tough as nails. an extra pass on the sewing machine in stress areas.
i do not like having a ripped seam ruin my trip.

great input from all of you and i will keep pics. posted of the progress. i am waiting for some
material but i can do a few things until it gets here. like pockets and frame stays.
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Re: new pack input from ZS members....

Post by wyominglostandfound » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:45 am

Wyo-
for a pack of that cubic size, ext. framed would be the way to go IMHO. What are you planning on using for a framesheet if you go internal?
frame will be aluminum stays and full length padded back like most other internal frame packs. i do have some alice frames and molle frames
but i like the comfort of the internal frame.
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Re: new pack input from ZS members....

Post by wyominglostandfound » Tue Jan 05, 2010 12:52 pm

heres todays progress.....

a smidge off for the 2 pockets to line up vertical but other than that,
it's going ok.

heres the main body and the 2 side by side outer pockets...
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the inner water bladder pocket (insulated)
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the 5 man tipi stuffsack that doubles as a pillow...
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that stuffsack will have buckles that attach it to the main pack body and cover the main body zipper vertically
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Re: new pack input from ZS members....

Post by xxxDarksidexxx » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:49 pm

like some of the others, im not a pack expert....but i am a cheap ass sometimes :oops:

the only recomendation i have is to sell them for 50.00 to ZS members! :D

i will be following this thread. i like the shelters you make, so i cant wait to see how this comes out! :)

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