My Exhaustive Bug-Out-Gear List (Please Comment)

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My Exhaustive Bug-Out-Gear List (Please Comment)

Post by Arch » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:19 pm

Below I've listed my "ideal" Bug-Out-Gear list. Please note: my gear is broken down into "layers" of protection (which is indicated in the headings).

**** Warning ****

I Am A Gear-Whore & Don't Know If I Can Carry Everything (Rifle, Handguns, BOB, Vest, Bandoleers) Listed Over Broken Ground....it would royally suck to do so....my thought is - if the weight kills me at least I'll die well equipped.

ETA: This is a "mobile bug-out list". I envision being able to drive for a while, and then sort through the situation and determine what gear to keep if I have to continue on foot.

The "Pre-Departure Optional Gear" is stuff I'd put on immediately if I had to bug-out butt-nekkid....it is NOT intended to be carried on foot (it could be thrown into the BOV though) :shock:



Pre-Departure Optional Gear (Stored In Large Rubbermaid Container)

Ammunition & Ammo Carriers


Ammunition, 9x19mm (100rds) Federal Hydra-Shok 124gr HP
Ammunition (in M3 Grease Gun Pouches), 7.62x51mm (500rds) Federal 168gr Sierra MatchKing BTHP (GM308M)

Apparel & Footwear – Cold Weather

Bibs with Suspenders, USGI ECWCS Fleece
Cap, 100% Polyester
Coat, USGI ECWCS Fleece
Combat Boots, Addison USGI Desert Gortex Cold Weather
Field Hat, Battle Dress Uniform, USGI Winter Weight, Woodland
Field Jacket, Battle Dress Uniform, USGI Winter Weight, Woodland
Field Jacket Liner, USGI
Field Trousers, Battle Dress Uniform, USGI Winter Weight, Woodland
Field Trousers Liner
(1pr) Glove, USGI Gortex ECWCS, Black Leather
(1pr) Glove Liners, USGI Wool
(1pr) Socks, Field & Stream with Polypropylene Liner
(1pr) Socks, LH 71% Merino Wool
Suspenders, USGI M1950
Sweater, Wool
(2pr) Trousers, USGI M1951 Wool

Apparel & Footwear – Warm Weather

Belt, USGI Black
Coat, Battle Dress Uniform, USGI Summer Weight, Woodland
Gloves, USGI Nomex Flight
Hat, Battle Dress Uniform, USGI Summer Weight, Woodland
(1pr) Socks, Uzi Coolmax
Shirt (Long Sleeve), 5.11 Tactical Canvas 5.8oz Cotton with Dry-X-Treme Liner (72157), Navy
Trousers, 5.11 Tactical Canvas 8.5oz Cotton (Model 74251), Navy
Undershirt, 5.11 Tactical Tight Fit 80% Poly 20% Spandex with Dry-X-Treme (40005), Tan
Underwear

Protective Equipment

Gas Mask with Filter, Israeli
Kevlar Apparel
PASGT Helmet with Cover, USGI Woodland
PASGT Vest, USGI Woodland
Knee Pads, USGI Woodland
Safety Glasses

Firearms & Accessories, Defensive


Handgun, Glock 17 with Night Sights (9x19mm)
Magazine, Glock 17, 17rd

Rifle, DS Arms FAL (7.62x51mm)
Optic, Leupold FXIII 6x42mm
Scope Base, DSA Extreme Duty Mount with Allen Head Fasteners
Scope Flip Caps, Leupold
Scope Rings, Leupold Quick Detach
Scope Sun Shade, Leupold 42mm
Pistol Grip, DSA FN249, OD (*)
* Storage, Allen Wrench for Scope Base
* Storage, FAL Gas & Sight Tool
Sight (Front), DSA Night Sight
Sight (Rear), DSA Para Tactical
Magazine, FN G1 FAL, 20rd
Sling, 2 Point

Firearms & Accessories, Hunting

Handgun, Ruger Mark III (22 Long Rifle)
(3) Magazine, Ruger, 10rd
Optic, Leupold FXII 4x28mm
Scope Base, Leupold
Scope Flip Caps, Butler Creek
Scope Rings, Leupold Quick Detach

MOLLE Bandoliers


(2) Bandolier, USGI MOLLE M16 Magazine, Woodland

(6) Magazine, FN G1 FAL, 20rd
(120rds) Federal 168gr Sierra MatchKing BTHP (GM308M)

MOLLE Vest


Fighting Load Carrier, USGI MOLLE Zippered, Woodland

Ammunition Pouch, USGI MOLLE SAW 100rd, Woodland
Personal First Aid Kit

(3) Ammunition Pouch, USGI MOLLE SAW 100rd, Woodland
(9) Magazine, FN G1 FAL, 20rd
(180rds) Federal 168gr Sierra MatchKing BTHP (GM308M)

ASEK Pouch, Gerber, Coyote
Flashlight, Mini-Mag, Red with Tail-Cap Conversion
(2) Battery, AA

(2) Canteen in General Purpose Pouch, USGI MOLLE 1Qt, Woodland
Emergency Space Blanket, Silver/Reflective
Canteen Cup, USGI with Stand

Fixed Blade Knife, Gerber LMFII with MOLLE Sheath, FDE

Grenade Pouch, USGI MOLLE, Woodland

(4 spare) Battery, AA
(2 spare) Bulbs, Mini-Mag Flashlight
Butane Lighter, Bic Classic
(10) Coffee Filters
Compass, Silva Starter 123
Fire Starter, Swedish Fire-Steel Army Model
Multi Function Knife, Victorinox Trekker
Sharpener, Smith Ceramic with Diamond Rod
Water Purification Tablets with Flavor Neutralizer
Wild Edibles Cards

Holster, USGI M12, Woodland

Holster Adapter, USGI MOLLE, OD

(5) Magazine Pouch, USGI MOLLE M9 Single, Woodland
(5) Magazine, Glock 17, 17rd
(85rds) Federal 124gr Hydra-Shok

(2) Magazine Pouch, USGI MOLLE M4 Double CQB, Woodland
(2) Magazine, FN G1 FAL, 20rd
(40rds) Federal 168gr Sierra MatchKing BTHP (GM308M)

Waistpack, USGI MOLLE, Woodland
(100 Feet) 550 ParaCord, USGI 7-Strand
Candle, UCO Emergency 9-Hour
Fishing Lure-Box, Plano (*)
* (100 yards) Fishing Line
* (3 small) Foam Floats
* (75) Hooks, Assorted
* (2) Hooks, Fly Type
* (25) Lures, 2” Curl Tail, Chartreuse
* (25) Lures, 2” Curl Tail, White
* (8) Lures, 2” Live Prey Technology, Motor Oil Red
* (10) Lures, 3” Curl Tail, Chartreuse
* (3) Lures, 3.5” Worm with Hooks
* (20) Safety Pins, Assorted Sizes
* (60) Split Shot, BB Size
* (1) Stringer, Blue
Poncho, USGI, Woodland
Saw, Gerber Sportsman’s Sliding Wood Saw
(6) Trioxane Fuel Tablets

Escape, Evasion & Survival Bag (EESB)

Blackhawk Phoenix with 3.0L Hydration Bladder, OD

Apparel, Cold & Wet Weather

Level 1 – Inner Wear

Balaclava, USGI ECWCS Polypropylene
Pants, USGI ECWCS Polypropylene
Shirt, USGI ECWCS Polypropylene
(1pr) Sock Liners, USGI ECWCS Polypropylene
(1pr) Socks, Field & Stream with Polypropylene Liner
(1pr) Socks, LH 71% Merino Wool

Level 3 – Outer Wear – Stored in (2) Blackhawk Accessory Bags

Cap, USGI 100% Wool
(1pr) Gloves, USGI Leather
(1pr) Glove Liners, USGI Wool
Parka, USGI Gortex ECWCS, Woodland
Parka Liner, USGI
Scarf, USGI Wool
Trousers, USGI Gortex ECWCS, Woodland

Apparel, Miscellaneous
(3pr) Socks, SmartWool

Apparel, Warm Weather
Jungle Hat, Battle Dress Uniform, USGI Summer Weight, Woodland
Shirt (Short Sleeve), 5.11 Tactical Nylon 4.7oz Ripstop SPF30 (Model 71158), OD
(1pr) Socks, Uzi Coolmax
Trousers, 5.11 Tactical Nylon Canvas 7.4oz with Dry-X-Treme (Model 74158), OD
Undershirt, 5.11 Tactical Tight Fit 80% Poly 20% Spandex with Dry-X-Treme (40005), OD

Batteries
(8) Battery, AA

Communications
2-Way Radio, Midland GXT650
Rechargeable Battery System

Cookware
(10 Feet) Aluminum Foil, Heavyweight
Can Opener, USGI P38
(3pc) Mess Kit, East German
(5) Trioxane Fuel Tablets
(2pc) Utensils, 5-in-1 (Spoon, Food, Knife, Spatula and Spreader)

Cutting Tools
Camp Ax, Gerber
Folding Blade Knife with Sheath, Gerber Gator Serrator
Sharpening Stone

Fire
Butane Lighter, Bic Classic
Candle, UCO Emergency 9-Hour
Magnesium Firestarter Kit (*)
* Doan Magnesium Bar
* Large Magnesium Shavings
* Tinder
Tinder Bottle (Cotton Balls & Petrol)
Water Proof Match Case with Matches

First Aid Kit

Clean

(12) Antiseptic Towelette
(12) Alcohol Prep Pad
(10) Cotton Tip Applicator
(2) Examination Glove
(1) Hand Sanitizer Packet
(1) Poison Ivy Cleanser Towelettes
(3) Povidone Iodine Prep Pad

Miscellaneous Supplies

Finger Splint
Disposable Thermometer
Splinter Remover (stainless steel)

Protect

(12) Adhesive Bandage, 3/8”x1-1/2”
(10) Adhesive Bandage, 3/4”x3”
(7) Adhesive Bandage, 1”x3”
Adhesive Tape Roll, 1”x5 yards
(5) Antibacterial Bandage, 1”x3”
(3) Butterfly Closure Bandage
Gauze Roll, 2”x4.1 yards (non-sterile)
(2) Insect Repellent Packet (1 gram)
Knuckle Bandage
Non-Adherent Gauze Pad, 2”x3”
Round Eye Pad, 2”
(4) Sterile Sponge Dressings, 2”x2”
(4) Sterile Sponge Dressing, 4”x4”
Sun Screen Packet
Trauma Pad, 5”x9”
(6) Wound Closure Strip, 1/4”x 1-1/2”

Treat

(4) Antacid Tablets
(5) Antibiotic Ointment Packets
(6) Anti-Diarrhea Tablets
(12) Antihistamine Tablets
(2) Burn Cream Oinments
(6) Cough Drops
(1) Hydrocortisone Cream Packet
(6) Ibuprofen Tablets
(6) Non-Aspirin Tablets
(6) Sting Relief Pads (for insect bites)

Fishing
(110 yards) 14# Fishing Line, Trilene XL, Clear/Blue
Fishing Hook-Box, Eagle Claw (*)
* (85) Hooks, Assorted
* (100 feet) Snare Wire, 24 Gauge Floral Wire

Food
(9) Bullion Cube, Chicken
(3 fun size) Chocolate Bar, Hershey’s
(5 packets, 0.14oz) Energy Drink Mix, Power Edge, Wild Berry with Vitamins
(3 pouches) Freeze-Dried Dinner Entree, Mountain House (*)
* (4.30oz 2-Serving) Beef Stew
* (4.80oz 2-Serving) Chili Mac
* (4.80oz 2-Serving) Lasagna
(3 packets +2, 1oz) Gatorade Drink Mix, Lemon-Lime & Orange (Mix with 16.9oz of Water)
(5 packets) Instant Coffee, Folgers Classic Roast (Add to 6-8oz of Hot Water)
(5 packets, 0.07oz) Instant Coffee, Taster’s Choice (Mix with 6oz of Hot Water)
(3 packets) Instant Oatmeal, Apple & Cinnamon
(6 packets, 3oz) Ramen Noodles
(2lbs) Rice, Great Value Enriched Long Grain Parboiled
Spices (Pepper & Salt)
(3 pouches, 3oz) Tuna, Chicken of Sea Albacore White Meat
(6 tablets) Vitamin “C”
(6 tablets) Vitamin “One-A-Day”

Hunting
(250rds) Ammunition, 22 Long Rifle, CCI Velocitor
(550rds) Ammunition, 22 Long Rifle, Federal 36gr HVHP
Handgun, Ruger Mark III (22 Long Rifle)

Hygiene & Sanitation Kit

Light
(3) Cyalume Light Stick, Assorted Colors

Miscellaneous
(1.88”x10 yards) Duct Tape, Scotch Multi-Use Gray

Firearms Cleaning Kit

Bore Brush, 7.62
Bore Brush, 45 Handgun
Bore Cleaner, USGI 2oz
(50) Bore Patch, USGI 7.62
Broken Shell Extractor, 7.62
Chamber Brush, USGI M16
Cleaning Kit Pouch, USGI, OD
FAL Combo-Tool (Gas Adjustment & Sight Adjustment)
Lubricant, USGI LSA 2oz
Receiver Brush, USGI
(5pc) Rifle Rod, USGI Sectional with Patch Holder

Sewing Kit, USGI

Shelter
(100 Feet) 550 Cord
Emergency Space Blanket
Ground Pad, Silver/Reflective
Mosquito Head Net

Sleeping System, USGI ECWS

Gortex Bivy Bag, USGI Woodland
Modular Sleeping Bag, USGI Intermediate Cold Weather, Black
Modular Sleeping Bag, USGI Patrol, OD
NBC Compression Sack, USGI, Woodland

Water
(25) Coffee Filters
Water Bottle, 32oz Nalgene, Moss Green (Store drink mixes in Nalgene bottle)
Water Filter, Katadyn Pocket with Nalgene Adapter
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Re: My Exhaustive Bug-Out-Gear List (Please Comment)

Post by Arch » Sun Jan 04, 2009 9:34 pm

I wanted to add that I do NOT own a lot of the stuff in the list (like the Glock 17). The list is my idea of what an "ideal" INCH KIT would look like.

I'd like comments on my redundancy, FAK, etc.

As a basis-of-design criteria:


If I have to bug-out, something very nasty has happened as I intend to shelter in place. Therefore, insert any terrible calamity (which could include: natural; man-made; spiritual; ZAW; etc) you'd like as a reason for the Bug-Out.
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Re: My Exhaustive Bug-Out-Gear List (Please Comment)

Post by eugene » Sun Jan 04, 2009 10:43 pm

Sounds like your setup as I am, since I have two small kids I'll have to bug out by vehicle as far as I can. So the questions I've asked myself probably apply to you. First is where to and how far (you don't need to answer me for security reasons, just be sure you can answer those questions to yourself). My bug out location is 250 miles away. So you want to make sure you have enough fuel to make it there, i.e. whats the size of your tank, worst mpg (stop and go traffic, off roading, etc) and how much extra fuel should you take to get there. Maps of the area between you and there covering direct and wide enough that you could detour and still make it then maps of other directions. I have to drive into another state, turn and drive into another, so I have maps of those states in various forums from paper to gps, street to topo. Drive the route, use a gps to log your time so you can accuratly remove rest stops to get a good time. Take back roads, stop at small towns and parks in between to get familiar with detour routes.

Second item I assume will be the same as I which is load everything, drive until you can't then assess the situation and take what you can from there. You want to practice loading all that gear. Pick a sat morning (or other day off work) get up and pretend you were just notified a major storm, fire, or other disaster is heading your way and you have to bug out. Look at the clock and load and go and see how long it takes. If you really want to test it rent a campsite or room near where you intend to go and see what you forgot or whats packed wrong. I did one of there when my daughter was 6 months old, she didn't breastfeed so was on formula. We arrived and found out we forgot her formula so I had to hunt for a store. rural area the only store was a walmart to I had to pay double the price what a decent grocery store charges and they didn't even have any organic (which is even more expensive than the cheap stuff so the walmart price was even more than twice as high as normal.) Of course in a real situation add price gouging or complete lack of availability. I used to keep our stock of it all in one place so I moved some into the pre-staged area in the garage so if I missed the stock in the kitchen I should still have the other stash of it.
In our old house I had built floor to ceiling shelves along one side of the garage and one shelf was at the height of my truck bed so I could back in the garage, drop the tailgate and slide the heaviest items off the shelf and right onto the truck. I've moved to I need to do some work on pre-staging I have a two car garage now but there is less space on the sides so I'm going to build a shed behind it with a door that we can go through and build rolling shelves so I can roll them through the door right up to the truck. You want to make loading quick and easy,if you have to lift a bunch of heavy tubs then your going to be worn out before you leave, you want as little effort as possible.

I would prioritize what gets loaded first, this is where it gets difficult, I've had to take a mane a weekend where mom was at work and the kids were napping and load and reload. You want to prioritize on what you want to take with you most but also want to pack what you might need first to be the easiest to access. So you get into a catch 22 where you want to load the most important item first in case you run out of time but you wan to load that same most important item last so its the easiest to get to and not buried behind or under other gear but you want to load it first in case you run out of time before your fully loaded. And of course you don't know how much time you may or may not have since it might be different based on the situation so you have no set defined goal to reach, your simply trying to load the most gear in the shortest time while having it organized the best.
I've had to sit down and inventory everything and keep that inventory up to date and re-order and rearrange gear to make it more efficient. Think like a military operation, remember the old tv show MASH where they had to bug out once or twice, there were military logistics engineers who spent lots of time planning what got loaded how to be the fastest and most organized way to bug out. you basically have to write your own field manual, them memorize it and practice executing it.
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Re: My Exhaustive Bug-Out-Gear List (Please Comment)

Post by Boris » Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:10 pm

You forgot the kitchen sink.
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Post by Hanuman110 » Sun Jan 04, 2009 11:27 pm

I'm a gear whore too. For that reason, I'd like to point out that the M3 grease gun pouches that I'm aware of are long and narrow to carry the .45 cal magazines. I would think this would make them unsuitable for carrying loose 7.62x51 and impossible to carry spare FAL mags. If you just storing this in a tote for a vehicle I'd recomend just leaving them in the boxes, or putting them in spare FAL mags and some cloth bandoleers or something.
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Re: My Exhaustive Bug-Out-Gear List (Please Comment)

Post by Arch » Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:44 am

eugene wrote:Sounds like your setup as I am, since I have two small kids I'll have to bug out by vehicle as far as I can. So the questions I've asked myself probably apply to you. First is where to and how far (you don't need to answer me for security reasons, just be sure you can answer those questions to yourself). My bug out location is 250 miles away. So you want to make sure you have enough fuel to make it there, i.e. whats the size of your tank, worst mpg (stop and go traffic, off roading, etc) and how much extra fuel should you take to get there. Maps of the area between you and there covering direct and wide enough that you could detour and still make it then maps of other directions. I have to drive into another state, turn and drive into another, so I have maps of those states in various forums from paper to gps, street to topo. Drive the route, use a gps to log your time so you can accuratly remove rest stops to get a good time. Take back roads, stop at small towns and parks in between to get familiar with detour routes.

Second item I assume will be the same as I which is load everything, drive until you can't then assess the situation and take what you can from there. You want to practice loading all that gear. Pick a sat morning (or other day off work) get up and pretend you were just notified a major storm, fire, or other disaster is heading your way and you have to bug out. Look at the clock and load and go and see how long it takes. If you really want to test it rent a campsite or room near where you intend to go and see what you forgot or whats packed wrong. I did one of there when my daughter was 6 months old, she didn't breastfeed so was on formula. We arrived and found out we forgot her formula so I had to hunt for a store. rural area the only store was a walmart to I had to pay double the price what a decent grocery store charges and they didn't even have any organic (which is even more expensive than the cheap stuff so the walmart price was even more than twice as high as normal.) Of course in a real situation add price gouging or complete lack of availability. I used to keep our stock of it all in one place so I moved some into the pre-staged area in the garage so if I missed the stock in the kitchen I should still have the other stash of it.
In our old house I had built floor to ceiling shelves along one side of the garage and one shelf was at the height of my truck bed so I could back in the garage, drop the tailgate and slide the heaviest items off the shelf and right onto the truck. I've moved to I need to do some work on pre-staging I have a two car garage now but there is less space on the sides so I'm going to build a shed behind it with a door that we can go through and build rolling shelves so I can roll them through the door right up to the truck. You want to make loading quick and easy,if you have to lift a bunch of heavy tubs then your going to be worn out before you leave, you want as little effort as possible.

I would prioritize what gets loaded first, this is where it gets difficult, I've had to take a mane a weekend where mom was at work and the kids were napping and load and reload. You want to prioritize on what you want to take with you most but also want to pack what you might need first to be the easiest to access. So you get into a catch 22 where you want to load the most important item first in case you run out of time but you wan to load that same most important item last so its the easiest to get to and not buried behind or under other gear but you want to load it first in case you run out of time before your fully loaded. And of course you don't know how much time you may or may not have since it might be different based on the situation so you have no set defined goal to reach, your simply trying to load the most gear in the shortest time while having it organized the best.
I've had to sit down and inventory everything and keep that inventory up to date and re-order and rearrange gear to make it more efficient. Think like a military operation, remember the old tv show MASH where they had to bug out once or twice, there were military logistics engineers who spent lots of time planning what got loaded how to be the fastest and most organized way to bug out. you basically have to write your own field manual, them memorize it and practice executing it.
Thank you for taking the time to write a very well-thought-out response.

We've completed several of the tasks you mentioned, but forgot a few too. This was great input!
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Re: My Exhaustive Bug-Out-Gear List (Please Comment)

Post by Arch » Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:46 am

Hanuman110 wrote:I'm a gear whore too. For that reason, I'd like to point out that the M3 grease gun pouches that I'm aware of are long and narrow to carry the .45 cal magazines. I would think this would make them unsuitable for carrying loose 7.62x51 and impossible to carry spare FAL mags. If you just storing this in a tote for a vehicle I'd recomend just leaving them in the boxes, or putting them in spare FAL mags and some cloth bandoleers or something.
Exactly 250rds on 5rd Stripper Clips will fit in a Grease Gun Pouch...with room to spare at the top for a FAL mag charger.

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Re: My Exhaustive Bug-Out-Gear List (Please Comment)

Post by aa1pr » Mon Jan 05, 2009 8:41 pm

WOW! I guess I need to rethink my gear as I am carrying much less.

Not to be rude but do you guys fear that too much stuff will slow you down from reaching a safe rereat area?

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Post by eugene » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:18 pm

re-read my post, but in brief I prioritize all my gear and load as much as I cna in the time I have leaving behind lower priority stuff if I have to and bug out by vehicle, then if I don;t make it all the way I can ditch what I can't take at that point.
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Post by hdandb » Mon Jan 05, 2009 10:48 pm

I truly appreciate the time it took, not only to type this up, but to work out the logistics behing your planning. I to have my Excel working overtime for my BOB for PAW scenario and know the time you must have put into this. Not to mention that I will more than likely print your post out and check mine against it for items I may have missed.

BUT

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Post by Arch » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:12 am

hdandb wrote:I truly appreciate the time it took, not only to type this up, but to work out the logistics behing your planning. I to have my Excel working overtime for my BOB for PAW scenario and know the time you must have put into this. Not to mention that I will more than likely print your post out and check mine against it for items I may have missed.

BUT

This made me laugh my ass off
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Thanks - I have an exorbitant amount of time invested in my research & planning. My poor wife probably gets tired of me sitting in the Living Room with a laptop worked through all of my "lists". Unfortunately, our laptop died recently and two days later I washed a shirt with my back-up information (thumb drive) in the pocket..........which means I lost 100% of my gun records & all of my survivalist lists / papers / articles, etc. I've been retyping the survival lists from memory, and will start a new gun record (but all past transactions are lost).

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Post by Arch » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:13 am

aa1pr wrote:WOW! I guess I need to rethink my gear as I am carrying much less.

Not to be rude but do you guys fear that too much stuff will slow you down from reaching a safe rereat area?
You need to figure out what works for you based upon your AO, physical shape, perceived threats, BOR location, etc.

Consider using your vehicle as a "mule" to get you as far from danger as possible....then sort through your gear if you have to proceed on foot.
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Post by goblin » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:52 am

That's way to much stuff to try and load during an energency situation. Find some way to have most of it already at your BOL.
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Post by Squirrley » Tue Jan 06, 2009 9:53 pm

That is a lot of stuff. I see a lot of specialized items and redundancy(like a finger splint and splinter remover - both can be improvised almost as well with a pocket knife, some twigs, and some medical tape). I think that if you're in a truck or other large vehicle, thats great! Better to have it and not need it, when you're using gasoline to carry it all. I think you should start thinking about what you'd be carrying on your back now, and possibly pack this gear in a pack ready to go on top of all the other stuff, in case you have to ditch your vehicle in a hurry.

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Post by AmirMortal » Tue Jan 06, 2009 10:29 pm

If you've still got that thumb drive you might give it a try, sometimes electronics are ok again after they've dried (presuming they weren't energized at the point they got wet).

As far as your lists go, wow. I don't know how far I could reasonably travel with all of that on my back/chest/pouches/leg-rig/suppository. I'm fairly fit, but that's still a lot of gear. I too am a gear whore, and as such have tried to discipline myself about carrying too much. I was that kid in school with the 40-50lb backpack. Today I could carry a 70lb pack if I absolutely had to, though I'd rather be able to carry 300lbs in a BOV that was sure not to breakdown. If wishes were quarters, we'd all be rich. :lol:

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Post by AgentBlack » Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:12 pm

do you realize how much that will weigh? there's no way it will fit in one pack. if need to go foot mobile you'll be leaving a lot behind. loose the gi crap and go with more modern lightweight stuff, i've humped a quarter of that 20k and had no skin on the bottom of my feet after.
gi glove inserts are not wool and they suck.
M65 field coat is too bulky, a fleece and gortex is lighter, smaller, and better.
loose the wool pants, fleece is lighter and drys quicker.
gortex gi boots (ICB's) suck, go with rocky's.
isreali gas masks are junk and will get you killed.
screw that helmet!! if your not wearing body armor there's no point.
molle LBV's also blow, there are much better options out there.
no canteens, nalgene bottles are more versitile.
loose the tackle box.
fleece bennie, no wool watch cap.
poly pro neck gaitor, no wool scarf.
loose the old rifle cleaning gear, get an otis kit.
pull the big black sleeping bag, add a poncho liner to save weight and space. or go with a snugpak bag

this looks more like a packing list for deployment (which requires a pack and two seabags and a daypack) not a bug-out list. you'll need far less clothes than listed. chop that weight in half.
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Post by Squirrley » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:43 am

AmirMortal wrote:If you've still got that thumb drive you might give it a try, sometimes electronics are ok again after they've dried (presuming they weren't energized at the point they got wet).
And since thumb drives are all solid state and don't have their own power source, they're usually always 100% good-to-go after you've left it on the hot air vent or whatever for a day to dry out.
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Post by Agent_Jaws » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:56 am

Since this is a wish list and not an actual list, I would suggest adding the following:

M1 Tank
M1 Tank crew
fully stocked military supply line

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Post by Woods Walker » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:58 am

My attention deficit disorder prevented me from reading though the whole list.
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Post by NapTime » Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:41 am

This is almost TLDR, but I stuck it out and just skimmed the specifics. You have a lot of stuff planned. You have a LOT of stuff planned. The nicest thing I can say about that is that we come from two very different schools of thought when it comes to packing light/packing thorough, but since we know we disagree, I can let that go.

I really disagree with AgentBlack on the fishing stuff. I think that if your BOL has access to any kind of water that isn't a well, you should have a full set of hooks. I don't even like to fish, but in the lifetime of a fish hook, it will bring in more calories for its weight than anything else I can think of besides maybe seeds. I see you mentioned snare wire under fishing but not hunting. I think snaring game for food in a survival situation is a great way to go, and that you should think about bringing snares for small terrestrial game as well. Unless you meant that, in which case, *high five* and stuff.

As I said before, the other thing that's an efficient food source for the long haul is seeds. Find out what grows in your BOL location, and try growing it at home. Try growing it again from it's own seeds. Yay food! Imagine how much happier you'd be eating deer stew seven days a week if you could add homegrown garlic, potatoes, carrots, and peas.

6 packs of ramen is great, but won't last you long. Do you have food stores at a designated BOL? Even if you don't I'd take more spices than just salt and pepper. If this is road food, energy bars and caffeine pills might be better than oatmeal, rice and coffee. Keeps you moving, even though you sacrifice the morale boost of hot food. I'd pack more staple foods regardless. I can't quite understand the multivitamins. You won't get vitamin deficiencies in the week you'll be taking them whether you take them or not, and after that you won't be taking them. I hate to go all stuff nazi on you, but if it literally makes no difference, you can probably leave them at home.

Since this is "ideal" then budget isn't an issue. What do you say to a sweet dirt-bike with paniers tied to the top of your truck, for an intermediary between "the roads are gridlocked or impassible" and "I'm walking with everything I want to take with me on my back." It could save your butt if the rioters are setting stuff on fire on the highway or your vehicle isn't quite up to off-road.

I think the waterproof clothing should be higher on the list, but I come from a land of constant rain. Put a disposable poncho in a bandoleer, so that if you don't get your full load out, you don't freeze to death in the first rain. If you end up getting the rest of your stuff, it's still a useful bit of material for waterproofing anything (with your duct tape) and regardless, that weight won't make much of a difference on top of the rest of it. While we're on the topic, why don't you have a tent? I love the woods, but I can't imagine loving the woods without a place to be dry and warm that I could stretch my arms in.

I feel very critical now. Hopefully this will push me to write down and evaluate my own plans, and see what needs adjustment in my thinking/preparation. Good work getting all this put together. Despite our difference in philosophy, I'm really impressed. Good stuff.

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Post by St.Michael » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:40 am

Great info here guys. I haven't even started my BOG but I will be soon and this helps me think about a lot of stuff.
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Post by jclaudii » Wed Jan 07, 2009 12:56 pm

hdandb and eugene can you guys post a screenshot or link to your spreadsheet so I can take a look at it? I have a bob and some other stuff, but I have never inventoried it. Do you keep track of food expiration dates and such on there so you can rotate out often?

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Post by Squirrley » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:38 pm

jclaudii wrote: Do you keep track of food expiration dates and such on there so you can rotate out often?
Now that is a genius idea.
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Post by eugene » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:03 pm

jclaudii wrote:hdandb and eugene can you guys post a screenshot or link to your spreadsheet so I can take a look at it? I have a bob and some other stuff, but I have never inventoried it. Do you keep track of food expiration dates and such on there so you can rotate out often?

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