Erik's B.O.A.T.

by **K9medic** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:28 pm

1stcavmp77. In 1983 I survived 5 days in old WWII battle dress with no belt, boots with no laces, Army great coat with no buttons and a Tobacco tin survival kit. I use the word survive as in I was alive when they caught me, cold, tired and very hungry, but still functioning. I managed to catch two very small fish (sub 5 inches) in those 5 days, construct a shelter each morning and light 1 fire.

This taught me 3 very important lessons
1. You don’t really need a lot of equipment to survive.
2. Vegetables provide more food for less work (October in Germany).
3. Para’s really really don’t like Fusiliers.

If I remember correctly the tobacco tin survival kit is the descendant of the hidden E&E kit carried by WWII aircrews. I don’t thing it was ever intended to be carried instead of my Bergen / webbing / EDC items in my smock pockets. But rather as last ditch equipment if your caught and manage to do a runner minus your outer gear.

Is it relevant today? Well in my opinion practise / knowledge is never wasted, but except the equipments limitations. It doesn’t really matter how you decide to carry these little items, just that you do carry them, be that on a cord or in a tin.

by **1stcavmp77** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:34 pm

so ... let me guess s.e.r.e training in the military?

by **Abacus** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:08 pm

Having had a virtually identical experience to K9medics, I took all of his lessons away with me also, and these others:

NEVER move in daylight
NEVER trust the locals.

Other than that, Rifles don't get special treatment, ribs mend. :lol:

by **AgentBlack** » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:10 pm

1stcavmp77 wrote:sorry but the whole "i'm gonna survive on only what's in my 'boat' because i don't want to carry anything else at all" idea is ludicrous to me. it's chimp simple to carry a small knife, small compass, whistle, firesteel and a small flashlight on a carabiner on your belt (these are things that don't fit easily in an altoids tin) and that way you can carry the other small stuff in a tin (like tinder, an actual signal mirror, maybe even a couple bandaids or whatever type of self stuff you want). or just as simple to carry multiple tins in compass pouches on your belt. how long are you going to be able to survive on the things in one altoids tin? common sense tells me that the single "boat" concept is seriously flawed. there's no reason to me to think that if you lost your belt that the stuff in your pockets is still gonna be there because if you lose your belt that is holding your pants up then your pants are probably gonna fall off too.

dude were you dropped on your head a couple of ten times when you were little? what don't you get? it's not "because i don't want to carry anything else" it's because sometimes you can't carry anything else or it might be the only thing your left with. NO ONE ever said they refused to carry anything else. the BOAT IS a supplement!!! and it IS very possible to lose or USE your belt for something and still keep your pants on. but then when you actually move out of mommy's house and reach the ripe old age of 21 you might stumble on something the rest of us call "experience" and know these things! until then, keep to your world of warcraft and.........

by **Veritas** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:07 am

Everyone, kindly follow the following directions:

Go to 1stcampwhatever's profile.
Click "add foe"
Go on with your lives.

He just keeps coming back to this thread because we are talking to him. If you don't see his posts, you won't feel like you have to respond. I can't tell you how many times he has even posted in here since I ignored him. In fact, it is actually pretty humorous to see everyone's responses without seeing what he wrote.

I have found that this trick is also very useful for other people who enjoy posting repeatedly in threads they disagree with. In fact, it almost makes the First Aid forum readable. I think if everybody just ignored the guy he would go somewhere else to change everyone's opinion.

I really like this thread but it is getting seriously cluttered. I will pledge to make my next post in this thread about the contents of a BOAT or how to improve on the design, and not about the utility of a BOAT. If you are in here, I am going to assume you like the idea.

by **1stcavmp77** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:22 pm

ok, alright. i guess i'll just have to agree to disagree. keep your "boats" and i'll keep my carabiner (now complete with 20 - 30 feet of paracord attached). although, i feel i have to say that it's not that hard to carry more than one altoids tin in your pockets. and you can keep your ignorant troll comments. i never said don't carry a "boat" i just said find a way to carry some other stuff or carry more than one. even if for some crazy reason you lost or broke your belt you can still hang a carabiner on a belt loop or stuff it into your pocket. i still feel like if all i had was the stuff i could fit into an altoids tin i would be pretty much fubar'ed. idk maybe i need to learn more skills on building snares and identifying wild edibles, but hey it's all a learning experience right?

some of you guys need to grow the fuck up and untangle your panties. just because somebody disagrees with you or posts something you don't like does not give you the right to flame them and start being a troll. if you can't handle people haveing a different opinion than you do then shut the fuck up. stop sitting in the corner with your ass bleeding and go the fuck home. also the only way i can see me losing all my gear to the point that i'm down to just my clothes and an altoids tin full of stuff is i get captured by some bad people and they take all my stuff. if that happens what makes you think that they won't take your precious "boat" as well. or are you gonna be walking around with it stuck up your ass? actually that could explain some of the trollish kiddie behaivor of some members on here.

by **Red Cell** » Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:07 pm

1stcavmp77 wrote:some of you guys need to grow up and untangle your panties.

1stcavmp77 +1

Some folks can't take criticism.

Check out the Book:
UNITED STATES COMBAT AIRCREW SURVIVAL EQUIPMENT
Michael S. Breuninger

May help explain the origins of the BOAT

by **1stcavmp77** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:58 pm

Red Cell wrote:
1stcavmp77 wrote:some of you guys need to grow up and untangle your panties.

1stcavmp77 +1

Some folks can't take criticism.

Check out the Book:
UNITED STATES COMBAT AIRCREW SURVIVAL EQUIPMENT
Michael S. Breuninger

May help explain the origins of the BOAT

some folks are so insecure that they can't take anyone disagreeing with them. bunch of damn couch commando's if you ask me. ok for you igmo couch commando's that wanted to flame me for trying to suggest that the single "boat" concept is at least slightly fubar. go get your favorite pair of airsoft commando britches and see how many altoids tins you can carry in one cargo pocket. for the sake of this post i took my pair of bdu shorts that i made and tried it. i got a minimum of 10 tins in one cargo pocket. that's how many tins i have laying around in a drawer and in my edc bag. i got 10 in one pocket with enough room for at least five or six more. sure it's a little heavy and it rattles some but i sure could be a lot more prepared for whatever came a long than if i just had one "boat".

by **Gunny** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:57 pm

1stcavmp77 wrote:ok, alright. i guess i'll just have to agree to disagree. keep your "boats" and i'll keep my carabiner (now complete with 20 - 30 feet of paracord attached). although, i feel i have to say that it's not that hard to carry more than one altoids tin in your pockets. and you can keep your ignorant troll comments. i never said don't carry a "boat" i just said find a way to carry some other stuff or carry more than one. even if for some crazy reason you lost or broke your belt you can still hang a carabiner on a belt loop or stuff it into your pocket. i still feel like if all i had was the stuff i could fit into an altoids tin i would be pretty much fubar'ed. idk maybe i need to learn more skills on building snares and identifying wild edibles, but hey it's all a learning experience right?

some of you guys need to grow the fuck up and untangle your panties. just because somebody disagrees with you or posts something you don't like does not give you the right to flame them and start being a troll. if you can't handle people haveing a different opinion than you do then shut the fuck up. stop sitting in the corner with your ass bleeding and go the fuck home. also the only way i can see me losing all my gear to the point that i'm down to just my clothes and an altoids tin full of stuff is i get captured by some bad people and they take all my stuff. if that happens what makes you think that they won't take your precious "boat" as well. or are you gonna be walking around with it stuck up your ass? actually that could explain some of the trollish kiddie behaivor of some members on here.

Cute. This post earned you probation.

Go read our rules before you post again.

by **1stcavmp77** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:45 pm

ok maybe i'm the asshole but i don't get how my last post broke any rules.

sweet probation! :roll:

by **Gunny** » Thu Jul 23, 2009 11:05 pm

1stcavmp77 wrote:ok maybe i'm the asshole but i don't get how my last post broke any rules.

sweet probation!

I think you're being intentionally dense, so to make the rules simpler for you, here they are in pictorial form. Hell, they're even in a cartoon medium, fun!

Now, let's get back on topic. If you guys want to start a B.O.A.T.'s suck discussion, make another thread for it.

by **1stcavmp77** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:17 pm

gee that's kinda funny since my post contained no religion/politics, no spam, no porn, and no more hate than what was being directed my way by several of the posters ahead of me. i guess i don't kiss enough ass. :roll:

by **Veritas** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:22 pm

....Anyway......

I found a great way to store fishing line in a BOAT. Find someone with a sewing machine and use one of the spools or bobbins (not sure which it is). They are small, lightweight and hold enough line for a makeshift fishing rod, since obviously you won't have on in your BOAT.

In case you are wondering, the ones I am talking about look like this: http://www.singermachines.co.uk/partsDB ... recordID=3

by **Molon Labe** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:53 pm

Veritas wrote:....Anyway......

I found a great way to store fishing line in a BOAT. Find someone with a sewing machine and use one of the spools or bobbins (not sure which it is). They are small, lightweight and hold enough line for a makeshift fishing rod, since obviously you won't have on in your BOAT.

In case you are wondering, the ones I am talking about look like this: http://www.singermachines.co.uk/partsDB ... recordID=3

I'm stuck weighing the benefits of either fishing line or kevlar threading. The kevlar would be better for stitching a wound, but shit for fishing. Fishing line can obviously be used for fishing and also good for snaring I suppose; but it is near useless for wound closing and gear repair.

by **Merovech** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:09 pm

Gunny wrote:
1stcavmp77 wrote:some of you guys need to grow the fuck up and untangle your panties.

Cute. This post earned you probation.

Go read our rules before you post again.

I'm not wearing any panties.

o.O

by **Molon Labe** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 7:41 pm

Merovech wrote:
Gunny wrote:
1stcavmp77 wrote:some of you guys need to grow the fuck up and untangle your panties.

Cute. This post earned you probation.

Go read our rules before you post again.

I'm not wearing any panties.

o.O

That's cause I'm wearing them (if anybody wanted to know)

by **AgentBlack** » Fri Jul 24, 2009 8:39 pm

Molon Labe wrote:
Veritas wrote:....Anyway......

I found a great way to store fishing line in a BOAT. Find someone with a sewing machine and use one of the spools or bobbins (not sure which it is). They are small, lightweight and hold enough line for a makeshift fishing rod, since obviously you won't have on in your BOAT.

In case you are wondering, the ones I am talking about look like this: http://www.singermachines.co.uk/partsDB ... recordID=3

I'm stuck weighing the benefits of either fishing line or kevlar threading. The kevlar would be better for stitching a wound, but shit for fishing. Fishing line can obviously be used for fishing and also good for snaring I suppose; but it is near useless for wound closing and gear repair.

i pack fishing line wrapped around a small piece of cardboard, AND a roll of dental floss. pull apart the floss case and the little role inside is perfect. it's not kevlar but i've repaired many a web gear with the stuff.

by **Austinius** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 12:28 am

Just got back from a backpacking trip. Tried using unscented waxed dental floss as fishing line. I was able to catch fish around 6 inches and under with no breaks in the dental floss line. (On a side note, ball park hot dogs make great bait.)

Keep some in your kit!

by **cssims** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 1:02 am

Austinius wrote:(On a side note, ball park hot dogs make great bait.)

Keep some in your kit!

I can see that getting kinda nasty after a while. :shock:

by **Veritas** » Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:38 am

Molon Labe wrote:Fishing line can obviously be used for fishing and also good for snaring I suppose; but it is near useless for wound closing and gear repair.

Why say you? Ethilon suture is monofilament nylon, isn't that basically the same thing as fishing line? That's what I have used to suture skin lacerations in the past, but I admit I have never tried to close a wound with fishing line, so I really don't know.

Austinius wrote:Just got back from a backpacking trip. Tried using unscented waxed dental floss as fishing line. I was able to catch fish around 6 inches and under with no breaks in the dental floss line. (On a side note, ball park hot dogs make great bait.)

Keep some in your kit!

Good stuff! I have not tried the floss out, but it is in the BOAT.

by **Gunny** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:03 am

1stcavmp77 wrote:gee that's kinda funny since my post contained no religion/politics, no spam, no porn, and no more hate than what was being directed my way by several of the posters ahead of me. i guess i don't kiss enough ass.

Some people just can't chill out. Thankfully I've an ice pack right here.

[Banned]

Let's get this thread back on topic.

by **dogbane** » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:54 am

bltjr1951 wrote:1stcavmp77 is a BOAT/mini PSK unbeliever, but he can't stay away from posting here.

He will now.

by **dragon rouge** » Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:59 pm

I tryed the altoids tin idea .My first trip down river[ fortunatly a fast day trip] everything got soaked.I replaced it with a $5 "survival kit"in asmall, not much bigger than an altiods tin,water proof case,The entire kit was cheaper than the case by itself.true most of the stuff was junk 99% of which got promptly replaced with different and or better stuff.The contents wound up being pretty similar to yours ,the most notable differences being 30 feet of braided fishing line instead of twine,a fire steel rather than lighter & a carbide jigsaw blade rather than the wire saw and a mini leatherman instead of a folding knife I pretty much gave everything a field test exept for the saw blade on a recent 4 day trip down the buffalo river keep the magnyfying lense It makes small really hard to see tasks much easier Another suggestion even though it wont fit in your tin liquid bandage is tops for being in the water.Yep I needed it a couple of times in the past

by **Veritas** » Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:14 pm

dragon rouge wrote:Another suggestion even though it wont fit in your tin liquid bandage is tops for being in the water.Yep I needed it a couple of times in the past

Liquid bandage doesn't hold larger wounds together very well. I cut my finger down to the bone (literally) this summer, and after a couple days tried to use liquid bandage, and it did not work.

I prefer actual bandages/plasters in a first aid kit because they can at least hold together on larger wounds.

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