SHTF, Barter stock piles

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SHTF, Barter stock piles

Post by Hoppy » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:17 pm

so im starting to give serious consideration to include nonperishable barterable goods. main things i can think of are A T & F ( alcohol, tobacco, and firearms.)

obviously alcohol and tobacco are both physical and mental addictions people in need will gladly give you more then they are worth ( sounds sleazy, but atleast im not raiding the less defensable) so cheap 10$ a handle vodka and whiskey. and a few cartons of Mustang cigs.

firearms im thinking ammo. 100 rounds in each popular caliber (X39, .223, 9mm, .45 and 38spcl) as a gunny, i know how far 100 rounds will get me, and its not that far.

is there anything else you can think of? medicine would be good, but limited shelf life compared to ammo and alcohol as well as perscription requirments for the important stuff kinda damper that.

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Post by Hoppy » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:22 pm

added: what about Cofee or other forms of caffeine. is caffeine powder available with out any kind of perscription or licenses?

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Post by Buddha » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:32 pm

Hoppy wrote:added: what about Cofee or other forms of caffeine. is caffeine powder available with out any kind of perscription or licenses?
You can buy caffeine Tablets. 200mg in each Tab. We can get them through our supplement reps @ the gym. WAY better than No Dose.

I have some in my BOB just in case I need to stay awake and alert. Although too many like 3 will make you a little scatty.
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Post by llivne » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:36 pm

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Post by The Highwayman » Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:16 pm

Hoppy wrote:so im starting to give serious consideration to include nonperishable barterable goods. main things i can think of are A T & F ( alcohol, tobacco, and firearms.)

obviously alcohol and tobacco are both physical and mental addictions people in need will gladly give you more then they are worth ( sounds sleazy, but atleast im not raiding the less defensable) so cheap 10$ a handle vodka and whiskey. and a few cartons of Mustang cigs.

firearms im thinking ammo. 100 rounds in each popular caliber (X39, .223, 9mm, .45 and 38spcl) as a gunny, i know how far 100 rounds will get me, and its not that far.

is there anything else you can think of? medicine would be good, but limited shelf life compared to ammo and alcohol as well as perscription requirments for the important stuff kinda damper that.

How about a guide outlining the proper use of Capitalization and "punctuation"?

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Post by pyratemime » Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:03 pm

Instead of cigs consider pouch tobacco and rolling papers. Prerolled cigs have a much shorter shelf life than vacuum sealed tobacco and dry papers.
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Post by Hatch » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:10 pm

Vacuum-sealed tobacco and whole bean coffee, and bottles of grain alcohol would all store well now and trade well in the PAW. Sugar and salt also both keep indefinitely, and would have excellent trading value.

Personally, though, I'd be hesitant to arm someone else by trading ammunition, unless you know the other party very well. I'd worry that the bullet I trade today might come back to kill me tomorrow.

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Post by Molon Labe » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:14 pm

pyratemime wrote:Instead of cigs consider pouch tobacco and rolling papers. Prerolled cigs have a much shorter shelf life than vacuum sealed tobacco and dry papers.
Good point pyratemime. I think I'll add a few extra pouches to my own BOB.

Hoppy, have you considered extra ferro rods and lighters? Light and heat are gonna be pretty high in demand, once the grid goes.
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Post by Molon Labe » Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:20 pm

Hatch wrote:Vacuum-sealed tobacco and whole bean coffee, and bottles of grain alcohol would all store well now and trade well in the PAW. Sugar and salt also both keep indefinitely, and would have excellent trading value.

Personally, though, I'd be hesitant to arm someone else by trading ammunition, unless you know the other party very well. I'd worry that the bullet I trade today might come back to kill me tomorrow.

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Salt would be perfect for trade, but it could get damn heavy if traveling by foot. How about stocking your BOL with surplus of the previously stated goods, instead of humping them around the mountains?
I wouldn't worry about liqour as much as other items, as anyone can make bathtub gin. But I guess maybe a couple bottles of 'Maker's Mark' would get pretty valuable indeed :D
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Post by ironraven » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:58 am

Search for it.

I'm fond of small, precise, semi-consumable metal items like fish hooks, needles and nails/screws.
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Post by Apollo-11 » Tue Jan 01, 2008 8:12 am

Way back in the mists of time, when trade ships had to go around the Horn, spices were very desirable and extremely expensive. It made bland food palatable. I understand that black pepper was traded, ounce for ounce with gold, for centuries. This might be a little stupid given that we have huge warehouses of stuff now, but you never know what will become scarce and desirable.

Perfume, cologne, or pit stick, if people can't bathe often. Salt is important, but it's bulky and heavy. Obviously any kind of tobacco, booze, etc. Honey. Stuff from the pre-PAW that can't be made anymore. SM Sterling had a pretty good book, "Dies the Fire" where everything technological suddenly stopped working. No engines, no firearms, no electricity. You may get some ideas from it... it's a good read. (And they make leaf springs from abandoned cars into swords, so it can't be all bad).

In the post-PAW world, once things get somewhat working again, I might think about running a boozery or a blacksmithing shop. If you can make alcohol, you also have the means to make vehicles run. Something to think about. (You might want to set aside the materials to make a still, at least some copper tubing.)

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Post by Hatch » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:02 pm

Molon labe wrote:Salt would be perfect for trade, but it could get damn heavy if traveling by foot. How about stocking your BOL with surplus of the previously stated goods, instead of humping them around the mountains?
I wasn't suggesting that anyone start stocking their BOB with one pound bags of salt. :wink:

Storage of any PAW barter items would presume a BOL/BIL. If you're packing a BOB or INCH on your back, I don't think you would want to add weight with items for trade. I would think you'd want to conserve weight for items that have definite value, and not waste it on items that have potential value.

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Post by shenkhu » Tue Jan 01, 2008 12:40 pm

+1 for cofee, tobacco and i would like to add: sugar!!!

i would trade anything for chocolate!!
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Post by Hoppy » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:48 pm

DON'T TREAD ON ME wrote: How about a guide outlining the proper use of Capitalization and "punctuation"?

Just sayin.....
such a great closing remark as its both improper abbreviation / poor spelling, as well as it being a sentence fragment!

but hey, this is the internet, where like minded people can discuss things on a friendly basis with out worry of the kind of interactions we experience with self absorbed, pedantic college professors.

im sure were both equally able to construct a proper sentence. how ever, i don’t care to.

grammatical bickery aside.

thanks for the suggestions guys. im not too concerend with my ammo coming back to me at excessive speed. but i understand the situation.
i considered salt, knowing its historical importance even in olden days. Salary and all that.
coffee and sealed pouches of tobbacco is a good idea. is there anything you can think of thats not food/tobacco. kind of like ammo and batteries. something we would use in tools or what not

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Post by The Highwayman » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:13 pm

Hoppy wrote:
DON'T TREAD ON ME wrote: How about a guide outlining the proper use of Capitalization and "punctuation"?

Just sayin.....
such a great closing remark as its both improper abbreviation / poor spelling, as well as it being a sentence fragment!

but hey, this is the internet, where like minded people can discuss things on a friendly basis with out worry of the kind of interactions we experience with self absorbed, pedantic college professors.

im sure were both equally able to construct a proper sentence. how ever, i don’t care to.

grammatical bickery aside.

thanks for the suggestions guys. im not too concerend with my ammo coming back to me at excessive speed. but i understand the situation.
i considered salt, knowing its historical importance even in olden days. Salary and all that.
coffee and sealed pouches of tobbacco is a good idea. is there anything you can think of thats not food/tobacco. kind of like ammo and batteries. something we would use in tools or what not

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Post by I_AM_LEGEND » Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:21 pm

Sugar, salt, coffee, maybe flour??? Tobacco, alcohol and ammo definately, maybe even gunpowder or AR/AK mags... I'm sure gold & silver has been mentioned.... maybe gas?? Probably kind of hard to store though, don't know how long it would be good for... What about ranch dressing and hot sauce, that's what I'm addicted to; I'd hook it up for some ranch and hot sauce if I couldn't get it at a store... lol
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Post by canuck » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:29 am

Antibiotics, if you can access them. That's the difference between necessity and desire.
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Post by Hoppy » Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:47 am

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thanks for the suggestions guys

i dont think gas would be something id want to store for barter id rather save that for my use if need be. plus its hard to keep, though i suppose you could figure out a rotation, so after X weeks, you pull the cans from your shed, use em in your car or lawn mower, then replace it with fresh stuff.

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Post by Molon Labe » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:00 am

Something else you could consider is magnesium shavings. It may sound retarded, but think about it. Most people nowadays can't make a campfire using a can of gas and a blowtorch. Having something available that could aid them with this endevour would not only provide something for trade, but you would also be helping them out by providing them with your shared knowledge. (It's also incredibly light weight. A 1gallon zip-loc won't take up to much space. And it'll burn if damp :wink: )
Even if you don't use it for trade, it'll still be something that you can use if need be.
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Post by TravisM.1 » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:50 am

Apollo-11 wrote:Way back in the mists of time, when trade ships had to go around the Horn, spices were very desirable and extremely expensive. It made bland food palatable. I understand that black pepper was traded, ounce for ounce with gold, for centuries. This might be a little stupid given that we have huge warehouses of stuff now, but you never know what will become scarce and desirable.
Yup. Kingdoms used to put up gigantic amounts of money to build ships and fund expeditions, and sailors would kiss their wives and children goodbye not knowing if they'd make it back, just to get spices. Now, all we do is walk or drive to the local department store and buy a container of it for $2.

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Post by Jamie » Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:58 am

I would recommend against stockpiling anything that you cannot/will not use...it makes much more sense to have more of the stuff that you need and want than to stockpile stuff that might be useful to someone else, but not for you (ammo that doesn't fit your guns being a prime example IMO)...

Extra bullets and beans and bandaids will always have trade value, and if nobody wants to visit your version of Bartertown, than you can use them yourself...

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Post by Blast » Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:15 pm

Packets of seeds (store them in dark/dry place)
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