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Post by Shiner86 » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:40 pm

Obiwan wrote:If water is available in your area then having a container and purification tabs is plenty (might throw in a coffeee filter or two for floaties :wink:

The dromedaries are tough...but heavy and $$ for what they are

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If I head for the hill and lake country, there are two bodies of water (one's a lake and one I believe is a very large pond) less than ten miles from my house. If I head off-post there are several rivers in Killeen. I have enough water purification tabs to last me a few days but after that I would have to boil water for purification purposes.

I've never used the nalgene collapsible canteens. How tough would you say they are?

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Post by Shiner86 » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:46 pm

Woods Walker wrote:Unless I am wrong the compass you have is a Coleman Lensatic compass.
My compass is actually the Engineer Directional compass. It is a liquid compass. I have used it before out in the woods. It does work. The body, however, is plastic. For hiking I'm pretty fond of it but I can see how I might need something more sturdy for bugging out.

By the way, what exactly is a lensatic compass? When I first saw the word I assumed it was a brand name but it's obviously not. Why are lensatic compasses superior to other compasses? I tried to look "lensatic compass" up online but I honestly couldn't find much information on it.

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Post by SweetTea » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:50 pm

sheddi wrote:I was wondering whether the tent and bag could go vertically on the sides of the pack, between the main pack body and the side compression straps.

Thoughts?
First, those straps look like they're not long enough to wrap around an entire stuff sack for either item. And even if you could do it, you wouldn't want to unless they were the exact same weight and shape. Uneven weights from left to right is just asking for a pinched back nerve, especially since that hip belt doesn't look very robust.
Shiner86 wrote:Are the dromedary bags tougher than camelbak bladders? Their website says they're pretty hardcore but I don't have any experience with them. I do know that camelbak bladders not in a case are pretty weak.
I don't have any firsthand experience with them, but I believe that gunny has one with which he has considerable experience. Maybe we'll be lucky and he can drop in to give a review.
Anyway, dromedaries are designed to be way tougher than camelbaks because they are meant to be directly against the elements whereas camelbaks are meant to be sewn into a bag or protected by a sheath. They are considerably expensive (I believe that the 4 liter is about $35 retail), but they seem to be worth it. Obiwan's suggestion of a "flexiflask" type device would be nice if you had room inside the bag, but it looks like you don't. By all means, carabiner a nalgene of water or two to the outside, but see if you can live with them attached to the bottom cinch straps before you try the back webbing. Something as dense as water could really torque your back when it has that long of a lever arm. The cinch strap thing may or may not work depending on your gait.

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Post by Shiner86 » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:50 pm

Dr. Quickdraw McGraw wrote:Ditch the freebie sporks and get a "light my fire" brand spork
I think I read in another thread that the knife is pretty much a joke but the spork itself looks pretty nice. It's also less expensive than a titanium spork. Do you think it would hold up as well, though? I mean, I know polycarbonate is pretty freaking tough but still I'd worry about the individual prongs.

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Post by JCD » Mon Nov 26, 2007 9:58 pm

I was pricing the dromendrays in a Campmor catalog. A 10 liter sells for around $35. There is a winter sale going on.
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Post by Dr. Quickdraw McGraw » Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:02 pm

Shiner86 wrote:
Dr. Quickdraw McGraw wrote:Ditch the freebie sporks and get a "light my fire" brand spork
I think I read in another thread that the knife is pretty much a joke but the spork itself looks pretty nice. It's also less expensive than a titanium spork. Do you think it would hold up as well, though? I mean, I know polycarbonate is pretty freaking tough but still I'd worry about the individual prongs.
Yeah the knife is not the greatest, but the build quality is great. You would have to work pretty hard to break one.
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Post by acropolis5 » Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:31 pm

Does anyone have an on-line source for the 4-way silcock keys? I can't find them in local hardware stores.

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Post by grand94jeep » Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:23 am

acropolis5 wrote:Does anyone have an on-line source for the 4-way silcock keys? I can't find them in local hardware stores.
I googled it and picked one link at random. Is this what you mean?

http://www.doityourself.com/invt/1108075

I would check with a plumbing supplier.
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Post by Lurch » Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:41 am

I can't think of any good/normal way to attach your tent and sleeping bag to that little pack of yours. So let's go with an abnormal way, shall we?
1) Toss the tent and get a lightweight tarp, maybe Tyvek.
2) Spread the tarp out on the ground and lay your sleepingbag out on it so that the side of the bag is at the long side of the tarp, and the head and foot of the bag are a couple of feet from the ends.
3) Fold the tarp over the head and foot of your bag and then roll the bag and tarp up sideways so you end up with a long burrito looking thing.
4) Use small bungies or velcro straps to hold the burrito together.
5) Bend the burrito into an upside down U shape over your pack and secure it to the straps on the sides of your pack.

Pick up some short, 2 part, poles to put in/on your pack to use in making the lightweight tarp into a tarp tent. I learned this method of carrying a sleeping bag in the boyscouts a long, long time ago. This also has the added benefiet of lightening your BOB. Keep your regular tent for your INCH bag.

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Post by canuck » Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:09 am

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Post by ironraven » Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:49 pm

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acropolis5 wrote:Does anyone have an on-line source for the 4-way silcock keys? I can't find them in local hardware stores.
I googled it and picked one link at random.
That's the critter. And don't bother with the likes of Home Despot- go to a mom and pop, and ask them for a "silcock key, the thing for outside faucets- I lost the janitor's" and they'll laugh at you funny and get one out of the back. With about three inches of dust on it. :)
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Post by Gunny » Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:48 pm

Shiner I've written a review of the dromerdy bag here in the bob section you should read.

And whoever said your ifak supplies need to be waterproof is being pretty silly. Most modern ifak eq will come sealed against the elements. The only real necessity is keeping your meds dry, everything else should be okay with a little water.

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Post by Buddha » Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:25 am

I like the look of those black gloves, any chance you can fill me in on brand etc. My wife is looking for a good pair.
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Post by JIM » Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:48 am

Ironraven,

There are white nitrile gloves. I've used them for a while. I'll see if I can look them up..

This is a pic of them. Maybe you remember the pic from my EDC-medical kit on ETS

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Post by Obiwan » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:28 am

Shiner86 wrote:I've never used the nalgene collapsible canteens. How tough would you say they are?
I have two of them and have used them for the past three years on week long backpacks

They still look like new

I own a dromedary bag, but I like the NC's because they provide

1. Lighter weight
2. Lower cost
3. redundancy (by carrying two I can still store water if one breaks)
4. The ability to split my water load (both sides of my pack....two hands, etc)
5. The nalgene cap is very standard...lots of filters fit it, drinking adapters, etc.
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Post by congochris » Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:38 pm

White Nitrile? We had those when I worked for Intel in the cleanroom, doing a trained monkey's job moving boxes around. They do exist, just probably not in medical supply stores. Check industrial. My theory is if they're clean enough to use in a cleanroom (which is something like 10 times as sterile as the average OR) they're probably ok for medical use. Although since we wore them all day, they did tear a bit, so I'd check the thickness before I used any for medical gloves.

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Post by Squirrley » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:33 pm

Shiner, I think that was my spork thread you're talking about. And yea, the knife is just a weird jagged edge on one of the fork tongs, dull as a butter knife and only 1/4" wide so you can't really spread anything with it. But who cares, everyone has a pocket knife, right? right??

As far as durability, the light my fire sporks are bomber. You'd have to really really try to bust off part of the fork. Definitely a good buy if you're just getting something to throw in a go-bag style BOB like this. Personally, I like the snow peak titanium style better, mostly just cause you're not getting your grubby hands all over the spoon when you're using the fork, or the other way around, like you would be with the light my fire style. But at $10 a pop, its a rather hefty investment as far as a single piece of cutlery goes.

With parachute cord, and PALS webbing, you can lash anything to your pack. If you can't get your tent/bag on there, you're just not trying hard enough =P
As said before, one on either side of the pack vertically might work, if they weigh about the same. If not, or if there isn't a good way to get them on, then hanging down under the pack smackin you in the ass as you walk would be my 2nd choice, as its keeping the stuff centered and closer to you, but its really not comfy to walk very far with stuff dangling off the bottom. And, with the lashing a nalgene on to the outside idea, again don't put it right on the outside, keep it centered and close to you if possible. Water is hard to do, cause you tend to drink it as you hike, so if you have your pack balanced perfectly with a liter of water on the left side, its gonna be not-so-balanced at the end of the day.
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Post by ironraven » Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:53 pm

I'll be damned- I've been looking for white ones for a while, under medical supplies. There are times where having white hands for traffic control is nice, but you REALLY don't want to not have a barrier on your hands. I guess I'll look in industrial supplies.
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Post by Shiner86 » Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:34 am

Buddha wrote:I like the look of those black gloves, any chance you can fill me in on brand etc. My wife is looking for a good pair.
Seirus. And I absolutely love them.

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Post by Buddha » Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:51 am

Cheers, Have just ordered them. Looks like they have some great products, good price's too. :D
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Post by TheFreakinBear » Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:13 am

I like this BOB quite a bit. It's actually pretty lightweight considering everything that's packed in it. We just need to find a way to attach the sleeping bag and/or tent. With longer, sturdier loops at the bottom of the bag, it should be easy to lash the sleeping bag. On the side there are straps which should be just long enough to have the sleeping bag tightened down with. A great bag overall.

Also, in response to the "Sillcock Key", I can kinda understand where you're going with that but that is in no way a necessity. That would make a neat tool to maybe have on hand but that would be one of those things you would use depending on where you were bugging out. Also, I have yet to see a majority of spigots outside that don't have some soft of handle and that a multitool couldn't turn.
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Post by congochris » Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:16 pm

ironraven wrote:I'll be damned- I've been looking for white ones for a while, under medical supplies. There are times where having white hands for traffic control is nice, but you REALLY don't want to not have a barrier on your hands. I guess I'll look in industrial supplies.
Found some at Sam's club. here in CO, $7.87 for 150 gloves (75 pairs).. so, there ya go. Check your local Sam's club, if you have a membership.

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Post by jamoni » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:17 am

If you guys are still at Ft. Hood, do you really need much in the way of shelter? I seem to recall a place that was real dry, real hot, with the usual desert problem of chilliness at night. I think any water hazard would be in the form of flash storms/floods. I'd feel comfy with a tarp and blanky, or even just the if I chose my camp site well.
My main concern would be water storage, as others have addressed.
Oh, and I really like your bag. :)
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Post by Shiner86 » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:14 am

Okay, updated bag!

<img src="http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/ ... C04236.jpg" border="0" alt="1">
As you can see, I've used paracord to attach a 2 man tent to my bag. I have hiked it that way and it doesn't get in the way at all.

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In the front pocket you'll find my trauma supplies. Two Asherman Chest Seals, 2 rolls of Kerlix, 1 npa, 1 Israeli Bandage, 1 SAM Splint, 1 Field Dressing, 1 Triangular Bandage, 2 small Ace Wraps, Trauma Shears, Medical Tape, 1 cat and 2 pair of Nitrile Gloves. Like I said, these are just my trauma supplies. I have a more basic, all encompassing FAK inside my BOB.

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I've made some adjustments to what food I carry. I did away with the bulkier MRE components I'd had that would have needed heated up. I now carry 1 3600 Mainstay Ration, 5 Quaker Oats Granola Bars, 10 mini Slim Jims, 5 packs of Vitamin C Fruit Chews, 3 MRE drink mixes, 4 MRE peanut butter spreads, 3 MRE cheese spreads, 1 MRE blackberry jam spread and 4 Emergen-C drink packets, 2 slices of MRE wheat snack bread, 1 MRE pound cake, 1 MRE fig bar and 1 Clif bar. 'Cause variety is the spice of life, right?

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For clothes I have 1 pair of BDU pants, poly pros, 2 moisture wicking t-shirts, 3 pair socks and underwear, 1 sports bra, 1 balaclava, 1 bandana, 1 winter hat and 1 boonie hat. I also carry a real towel now, wrapped up in a plastic grocery bag. It's replaced the shitty camp towel that I used to carry.

This is slightly off topic, but for those of you who carry "camp towels", make sure you actually experiment with them and don't just throw them in your B.O.B. like I had done. Because seriously, I think they suck.

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Speaking of mistakes to learn from, what you see in the upper left hand corner is the waterproof and wind resistant jacket I picked up after having to actually use the $1.99 poncho I used to carry. Also shown are gloves, water/wind resistant gloves, an emergency blanket, a collapsible water bowl, mosquito head netting, toiletries, camp soap, and hand sanitizer. The contents of the ziploc baggy include water purification tabs, 2 disposable hand warmers, fishing hooks, hair ties, DEET, 2 bic lighters, 2 packs of military fuel gel, waterproof matches, a firestarting tool, and a freebie sewing kit.

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Here I have 550 paracord, a write in the rain notebook and pen, 2 full Nalgene bottles, duct tape and 100mph tape, wet wipes, mirror, 2 glow sticks, my gerber multi tool, fishing line, deodorant, my compass, my fixed blade, my IFAK, stainless steel camping pot and lexan silverware, windup radio and headlamp.

A lot of the modifications to my bag were made per everyone's advice on the bag I posted last fall. This is why I carry Nalgene bottles instead of water bottles and why I have a tent latched onto my BOB.

Some of the advice I was given, I chose to ignore. My engineer directional compass, for example. I like it, know how to use it and see no real reason to replace it.

Not shown are my LED flashlight and 8 AAA batteries.

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