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Post by crypto » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:13 pm

Well, yeah I know what the daisy chain is on the pack, but I dont understand how you'd carry a giant sleeping bag with it.
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Post by smiffy » Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:48 pm

crypto wrote:Well, yeah I know what the daisy chain is on the pack, but I dont understand how you'd carry a giant sleeping bag with it.
I may have meandered into talking about the general case.

Many walkers rucksacks I now see have a pair of hefty daisy chains or ladder loops running parallel up the rear face. I daresay this is to strap their bedroll vertically and avoid becoming a key-stuck-in-a-lock like mpi.

The pack in this thread is perhaps a poor example for this as there are
only a few loops and the bed-bag is large compared to the rest of the ensemble.

Unless the dry-bag is too slick, I'd nonetheless still say that using the bottom-loops, side compression straps and possibly the grab handle, this chap may have better luck with the bedding stowed vertical-behind instead of perpendicular-below.
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Post by mpi » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:13 pm

it actually wasn't the fartsack that caught me up, it was a machete grip sticking out of a rolled poncho so that i could draw it quickly. after that episode i put the sheath vertically between an add on pouch and the pack body. this allowed a draw very similar to the way you drew a Springfield or garand bayonet. directly over the shoulder. it really wasn't ever much of an issue as a machete makes a very poor weapon all things considered.
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Post by CommonHighrise » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:34 pm

+1 on a compression sack for the sleeping bag. If its a +30 style bag, which it sounds like it is, this will reduce its size considerably, and make it easier to strap in another position.

However...I warn against storing a sleeping bag in the compressed state for long terms (month or two). It will compress the insulation down to little more than a fleece blanket. Nothing worse than bedding down at night in a winter bugout to find your sleeping bag has the insulating properties of a T shirt.

Also, epic fail on not having a sleeping pad. $15 at WallyWorld will set you up right. I know youre a manly man, and welcome a root digging into your kidneys as you sleep, but its also an insulation thing.
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Post by Erik » Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:59 pm

All great ideas! Thanks!

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Post by mpi » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:22 pm

my coldweather bags have a tab to use to hang them in a closet, this mode of storage keeps them from losing loft and developing thin spots.
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Post by herbalpagan » Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:33 pm

I liked the set up. I would tuck in a cheap radio though. I don't think I could take a pack as heavy as that on for any length of time.

I LOVE the red walls! It looks clean, but elegant. Good taste!
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Post by Erik » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:12 pm

herbalpagan wrote:I liked the set up. I would tuck in a cheap radio though. I don't think I could take a pack as heavy as that on for any length of time.

I LOVE the red walls! It looks clean, but elegant. Good taste!
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Post by KotaLu » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:16 pm

Erik... LOL :twisted:
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Post by crypto » Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:42 pm

CommonHighrise wrote: However...I warn against storing a sleeping bag in the compressed state for long terms (month or two). It will compress the insulation down to little more than a fleece blanket. Nothing worse than bedding down at night in a winter bugout to find your sleeping bag has the insulating properties of a T shirt.
When you have to bug out, I sure hope you have time to go get your sleeping bag, roll it up, jam it into a stuff sack, then compress it, and strap it onto your bugout bag.

This is why my bugout sleeping bag is synthetic and not down. Because it WILL stay ready to go all the time.
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Post by Ellie With An Axe » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:01 pm

Bungee cords! They are the answer! Maybe. Just depends on how creative you are with straps and buckles.

You could take off the side compression bags, and use the compression straps backwards - ie, criss-crossed across the back of the pack, instead of over the sides.

Those compression straps on the sides are good anchors if you want to put your sleeping bag compression sack across the middle. Try a bungee or two criss-crossed through the daisy chain to hold down the center. The tighter, the smaller, the more compressed, the better because you get to save some space, not have a freakzoid sleeping bag on your pack, and keep your balance/center of gravity. Compress the hell out of that bad boy!

You might want to try putting your tent across the top, to free up the bottom space. Or stuff the tent in the pack/compression sack with the sleeping bag, and put the poles in your compression sacks you've already got there.

And then you can use your axe loops for an axe.

BTW - your red for your living room? Perfect. The color scheme works really well. Eye catching and even nice and soothing, with the red, white, and brown/tan.

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Post by Woods Walker » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:22 pm

Erik.

Yea get a compression sack for that bag. Will reduce its volume a great deal and seems to shape the bag better for storage under the pack. Stuff the bag into the compression or your stuff sack as repeated rolling will cause the bag to develop dead zones in the insulation.
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CommonHighrise wrote: However...I warn against storing a sleeping bag in the compressed state for long terms (month or two). It will compress the insulation down to little more than a fleece blanket. Nothing worse than bedding down at night in a winter bugout to find your sleeping bag has the insulating properties of a T shirt.
When you have to bug out, I sure hope you have time to go get your sleeping bag, roll it up, jam it into a stuff sack, then compress it, and strap it onto your bugout bag.

This is why my bugout sleeping bag is synthetic and not down. Because it WILL stay ready to go all the time.
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If anyone thinks the AK vs AR threads always result in a flame out you should see some of the down vs synthetic threads on backpacker forms. Oh man…It is like insulting someone's mother. :roll:

In general down retains its loft longer, warmer, lighter, and compress better than synthetics. You can keep a down bag compressed much longer. But if a down bag gets wet you are f@cked. I use synthetics for the 72-hour BOB but a down for the INCH bag as it will last longer.

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Post by crypto » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:37 pm

I had always heard that down bags needed to be kept unrolled far more than synthetics, thats not true?


And wait, I'm supposed to just cram my sleeping bag into its compression sack instead of rolling it up? for real?


Man I'm having a real come-to-jesus moment here.
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Post by mpi » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:44 pm

you didn't know that? allot of military guys got the neatly roll it up and tie it thing. took me years to get over it.
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Post by Woods Walker » Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:57 pm

crypto wrote:I had always heard that down bags needed to be kept unrolled far more than synthetics, thats not true?


And wait, I'm supposed to just cram my sleeping bag into its compression sack instead of rolling it up? for real?


Man I'm having a real come-to-jesus moment here.
Rolled or stuffed down bags will outlast synthetics hands down. Yes crypto you should cram the bag into the compression sack. The fibers will migrate if rolled over and over again resulting in dead zones. I know it sounds counter intuitive that stuffing is better than rolling.

Here is a maker of synthetic bags that claims his bags can be stored compressed.

http://www.wiggys.com/

I don't know if this is true. I hear his bags are good just too heavy for my liking. Also the owner is a not all that friendly. The guy hates me with a passion. Had to order a poncho liner from him using another address. I may order a wiggy bag in the future but can't use my name etc. The guy really hates my guts. Long story......
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Post by Tetra Grammaton Cleric » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:18 pm

crypto wrote: Man I'm having a real come-to-jesus moment here.
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Post by crypto » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:24 pm

man you kill me. :LOL:


I've got a -15 bag I'll be testing out this weekend. it's a lot bigger than that.
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Post by CommonHighrise » Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:54 pm

crypto wrote:
CommonHighrise wrote: However...I warn against storing a sleeping bag in the compressed state for long terms (month or two). It will compress the insulation down to little more than a fleece blanket. Nothing worse than bedding down at night in a winter bugout to find your sleeping bag has the insulating properties of a T shirt.
When you have to bug out, I sure hope you have time to go get your sleeping bag, roll it up, jam it into a stuff sack, then compress it, and strap it onto your bugout bag.

This is why my bugout sleeping bag is synthetic and not down. Because it WILL stay ready to go all the time.
Can I rock and roll within seconds? No. I plan on having 15 minutes minimum to grab my gear and bug out the door. Yeah, I might not actually have 15 minutes warning. This is why I include the backup of having one of those small fleece sleeping bags crammed into my BOB. Cant get my fullsize bag, at least Ill have something. If I can get my bag, then its an extra layer to insulate me, or another person.
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Post by Tetra Grammaton Cleric » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:14 pm

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This is why I include the backup of having one of those small fleece sleeping bags crammed into my BOB. Cant get my fullsize bag, at least Ill have something. If I can get my [added]fullsize[/added] bag, then its an extra layer to insulate me, or another person.
A+ Good Idea. In a compression sack from hell the extra space to be sacrificed in the BOB would not be too much at all...

I'm so stealing that idea.
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Post by Indiana » Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:22 pm

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Post by chitown2k » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:05 am

herbalpagan wrote: I would tuck in a cheap radio though.
Ditto, or a small am/fm headset; aside from that you did a very good job on a limited budget Erik.

I think many of us take the kitchen sink approach, because there is always some gear that you may theoretically need, but the cost to carry everything you have vs. taking just enough to get by for 3 days is the real balance that most people struggle with (I know I do).

You can spend immense amounts of money (and I love to gear whore), but it can get excessive. Plus, Theoretically, if it's your Bob it's supposed to be packed and ready to go at all times vs. it being composed of some of the gear that you use when you camp/hike/travel etc. To have a bag of high dollar gear sitting there, not being used (just ready for bugging), you have to be made of money.

Once again, nice job.
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Post by Milkboot » Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:53 am

Erik Room is awesome, I am actually wanting to redo my living room with almost the same color red. and going back to wood floors, Wouldnt happen to know what company/color/style the floor is would ya?


And the BOB is awesome, not to far off from my el cheapo right now

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Post by Erik » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:11 am

Milkboot wrote:Erik Room is awesome, I am actually wanting to redo my living room with almost the same color red. and going back to wood floors, Wouldnt happen to know what company/color/style the floor is would ya?


And the BOB is awesome, not to far off from my el cheapo right now
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Post by CommonHighrise » Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:56 am

Tetra Grammaton Cleric wrote:
CommonHighrise wrote:
This is why I include the backup of having one of those small fleece sleeping bags crammed into my BOB. Cant get my fullsize bag, at least Ill have something. If I can get my [added]fullsize[/added] bag, then its an extra layer to insulate me, or another person.
A+ Good Idea. In a compression sack from hell the extra space to be sacrificed in the BOB would not be too much at all...

I'm so stealing that idea.
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Making a Compression Sack of Doom for a fleece:

Grab a cheapie waterproof nylon stuff sack from WalMart, and two lengths of their compression straps, all in sporting goods.

Stuff fleece bag/blankets into sack, and compress down by hand. Should be a small basketball/football size.

Wrap one compression strap around it, and then the other, going on an alternate axis. Cinch down, alternating straps, til its about baseball size. Tuck in the loose straps. Dont cut them, as it makes it very hard to cinch the bag back down when youre breaking camp.

Not only will it work as a backup for not grabbing your fullsize bag, if your planning a 3-day bugout in fair weather, you wont even need to grab the bag.
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