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What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by Sun Yeti » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:02 pm

I poked around in the archives, and I could not find any related threads to add to.

So here's the situation; I have come into possession of a lovely bag full of black, smooth anodized aluminum business cards (blank). I also have access to a laser cutter to etch them with. I'm going to make a few business cards for my own business (you give these cards out only to the very best potential client or networking possibilities, to impress them and let them know you're really interested). I'm going to make some cards for a friend for Christmas, including some gag cards to help him break the ice. But I got to thinking that these would also make a really great, durable survival information cards. Think crib notes for the apocalypse. I could put one in my own kit, and give a few out as stocking stuffers.

Here are the constraints: given two sides of a standard sized business card, and size 10 font (no smaller or someone might not be able to read it), I have about 1200 characters to play with (including spaces, punctuation). I want to fill that space with pertinent facts and figures that are hard to just remember. So what should I include? I thinking of starting with:

1 minute rolling boil purify clear H2O; add 1 minute each 2k ft altitude. OR, 8 drops = 1/8tsp = 0.6mL of 5.25% NaClO unscented bleach to 1 gal clear H20 (2 drops per liter) at least 60degF, stir let stand 30 min, if H2O doesn't smell chlorine, repeat. OR, 6 hrs direct sun, clear H2O, clean clear PET (recycle#1) or glass container.

Does it show that I was trained as an Environmental Engineer :)
What else should be on there? To be clear, if I for example decided to add information about knives, I would want to include something like "X deg knife to stone sharpening angle", not "be sure to bring a good knife".
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by Sun Yeti » Sun Nov 09, 2014 9:17 pm

Heck, let's add some incentive! The best suggestion (according to my totally biased judgement) will get as a prize one of the finished cards mailed to them (if I pick you, you'll need to pm me your address).
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by azoth » Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:07 pm

if lost S.T.O.P stop, think, observe, plan
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directions for using your watch as a compass
point the hour hand at the sun, halfway between the hour hand and 12 (clockwise) is south, reverse if in southern hemisphere
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by EBO » Sun Nov 09, 2014 10:55 pm

That sounds pretty cool man. I don't really know of any formulas to add or fun facts. I would most likely want something about wild edibles or natural medicinal plants. I guess that would be pretty difficult to put into text format for a business card.

I like the cards they include with the ESEE knives, I guess you could include some of the same things. I don't think any of the info on their cards is proprietary.

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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by Dead_Like_Disco » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:01 am

I'd put on there instructions for the calculations for a back-azimuth and instructions on performing a resection.

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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by Sun Yeti » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:22 am

Dead_Like_Disco wrote:I'd put on there instructions for the calculations for a back-azimuth and instructions on performing a resection.
Explain? I don't think I know how to do those things myself, or what they are.
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by JeeperCreeper » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:25 am

I love this idea!

I recieved a plasticy paper pamphlet with one of my Bear Grylls hatchets that has survival info but it is basic and something that wouldn't fit well on an aluminum business card...

...so my idea would be to include environmental stuff like:

-Exposure/hypothermia info
http://westpacmarine.com/samples/hypothermia_chart.php
-Or how to tell time using the sun depending on location:
http://hea-www.harvard.edu/ECT/pdf/Daymarks.pdf
-Or land nav with a watch or compass:
http://www.wilderness-survival.net/chp18.php

Obviously that would be tough to condense to a business card size info.

...Or maybe useful/harmful chemical mixtures:
-Bleach and ammonia is toxic
http://chemistry.about.com/od/toxicchem ... mmonia.htm
-what fuels are interchangeable... like diesel, kerosene, gasoline
http://toad.net/~jsmeenen/fuel.html
-Ingredients for blackpowder
http://www.dangerouslaboratories.org/foxfire5.html
-Using acetone and recycled hydrocarbons to make new fuels... If I remember, my brother said you can add acetone to diesel to make it similar to gasoline and motor oil to gasoline to make diesel... cant remember how it all works
http://www.google.com/patents/US6395166

But again, these are just ideas and I am not expert
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by Blacksheep » Mon Nov 10, 2014 3:24 am

Food for thought,
I can't find the old 5.25% bleach only the new 8% stuff, so you might wanna change your formula based on what's common in the stores
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These guys can explain it better than I when it comes to resections.
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by Sun Yeti » Mon Nov 10, 2014 10:59 am

Rebel Pariah wrote:Food for thought,
I can't find the old 5.25% bleach only the new 8% stuff, so you might wanna change your formula based on what's common in the stores
I just checked, and the store brand bleach under my sink is actually 1%, if the print on the bottom is to be believed (what a ripoff!). A quick google search says that Clorox and knockoffs are 5.25%, so I think I will stick with that. The people I am giving this to will be able to do some rough back-of-the envelope adjustments if necessary. Thanks for the heads-up though.
I find it uniquely frustrating that so many preppers have their heads in the sand about climate change.

But, I've come to realize there's no point in arguing with someone if there's no possible evidence you could present that would actually change their mind.

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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by Sun Yeti » Mon Nov 10, 2014 2:12 pm

For the front side, so far I have:

CPR (untrained): Ask loud if OK, shake. Call 911 or tell 1 person to. Use AED if around, or have 1 person look. 100 chest compress per minute ('Stayin Alive' beat). ● boil (rolling) clear H2O 1 min to drink; add 1 min each 2k ft altitude. OR, 8 drops = 1/8tsp = 0.6mL of 5.25% NaClO unscented bleach to 1 gal clear H20 (2 drops/L) at least 60°F, stir, wait 30 min, if H2O doesn't smell chlorine, repeat. OR, 6 hrs direct sun, clear H2O, clean clear PET (#1) or glass container ● Oral rehydration: 1qt (L) clean H2O, 1/2 tsp (2.5mL) salt, 8 tsp (40 mL) sugar. OR 1/2 tsp salt, 8 heaped tsp powdered grain, boil 5-7 mins. Add fruit juice for K and flavor. 1 sip/5 mins, even if vomiting, until urine normal.

That pretty much fills it up, so I would have to be creative about abbreviations to add any more information. The back side is less than half full:

Plant long stick upright in ground. Mark shadow tip, wait 10-15 min, mark again, 1st mark points W, 2nd mark points E. Stand W=L, E=R, now facing north. OR moon rises before sunset, bright side points W, rises after midnight bright side points E, straight line through two points crescent is S on horizon.

Experts on any of the above topics (especially CPR and navigation), please let me know if I have anything wrong. I tried to verify everything from at least two sources, but I have no direct experience with most of these things. Also, if you can't figure out what any of it means, I need to make it clearer.

References: chlorination: http://www.csgnetwork.com/h2oemergencypurifycalc.html
https://jvwcd.org/water/emergency
boiling: http://traveltips.usatoday.com/long-boi ... 62933.html
http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/drinkin ... tment.html
solar disinfection: http://www.sodis.ch/index_EN
oral rehydration: book Where There Is No Doctor, http://rehydrate.org/rehydration/index.html
CPR: http://www.emergencycareforyou.org/Emer ... fault.aspx
http://heart.arizona.edu/frequently-asked-questions
http://www.mayoclinic.org/first-aid/fir ... t-20056600
Navigation: http://www.wilderness-survival.net/chp18.php#fig18_1
http://www.armystudyguide.com/content/a ... tion.shtml
http://www.magazine.ordnancesurveyleisu ... stars.html
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by Blacksheep » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:05 pm

Sun Yeti wrote:
Rebel Pariah wrote:Food for thought,
I can't find the old 5.25% bleach only the new 8% stuff, so you might wanna change your formula based on what's common in the stores
I just checked, and the store brand bleach under my sink is actually 1%, if the print on the bottom is to be believed (what a ripoff!). A quick google search says that Clorox and knockoffs are 5.25%, so I think I will stick with that. The people I am giving this to will be able to do some rough back-of-the envelope adjustments if necessary. Thanks for the heads-up though.
Yes, but Clorox doesn't seem to sell much if any of the old stuff
It's all "concentrated"

You should actually look at the store to see what's common, not google... Just sayin
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by DeadCanadian » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:27 pm

Put something useful on it. How many cards/survival bandana have things like solar sill (when you have no plastic) or worst, a car battery fire starter when you are actually in the woods 100 miles away from your car.

How useless is the what to pack in a survival kit in a book you carry into the woods, too late to think of that after you are already there in the woods, yet it is the better part of the book or jungle info when you are in the woods.

In otherwords, info that is not dead weight for areas you won't be in or for gear you may not have.
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by raistlin » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:43 pm

DeadCanadian wrote:Put something useful on it. How many cards/survival bandana have things like solar sill (when you have no plastic) or worst, a car battery fire starter when you are actually in the woods 100 miles away from your car.

How useless is the what to pack in a survival kit in a book you carry into the woods, too late to think of that after you are already there in the woods, yet it is the better part of the book or jungle info when you are in the woods.

In otherwords, info that is not dead weight for areas you won't be in or for gear you may not have.
Well, and I don't want to rain on the OPs parade, but an aluminum card is not that great an idea anyway because it is extra dead weight compared to some kind of paper card with a plastic coating.

So I think it's more novelty than practical. If it's for an audience that is not into prepping, perhaps the standard survival saying on one side:

You can live 3 hours without shelter.
You can live 3 days without water.
You can live 3 weeks without food.

Then a tip (or 2) for each one of those on the other.

Now one thing that could make it more practical is to polish one side so it is highly reflective. Then put tips for signaling on the other.
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by Sun Yeti » Mon Nov 10, 2014 6:44 pm

Card weighs 16 grams. Not nothing, but not much either. For perspective, a nice, super-lightweight titanium camping cup I just bought weighs 76 grams. I think it's worth a few extra grams for a card that will take more of a beating and still be legible, but to each their own. If anyone likes the content I come up with, but wants to make a laminated paper card or something instead, please feel free.

I personally think that crib notes on measurements, times etc. to purify water is more practical information for a card rather than a survival saying about how long you can go without, and the former kind of information is more of what I am looking for, for this project. Thanks for the feedback though!
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by Stercutus » Mon Nov 10, 2014 8:09 pm

Some suggestions:

- A phone list. Most people store their phone list in their cell phones these days. If your phone is down, lost, or uncharged a list of vital numbers could be helpful. Also who to contact if someone finds you incapacitated.

- Bank account numbers, credit card numbers, etc. Although I would use a method of scrambling them that makes sense to me but not anyone else.

- Serial numbers of weapons and other insured valuables that may get stolen. It is surprising the number of people who keep the serial number for their laptop stored on their laptop. :oh: If they are going to swipe your guns they are going to steal your computer too.
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by cyruspace » Mon Nov 10, 2014 11:27 pm

I would think you want things on the card that would be important to health care workers if you are not conscious, next would be certain survival info you don't think you can memorize, though the more important the info the more effort you should make?

allergies you have
your blood type
medicines you take
contact list
organ donor?
burial requests including religion if wanted
surgeries you have had
major illnesses you have had
immunization record
Your home address and home phone number

Your doctor would probably be a good source on what you should have on the card

drivers liscense number?
SS number?

oral rehydration formula
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by angelofwar » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:33 am

As a "one-size fits all" card, I'd recommend adding the following:

Front:

1) "3-3" Rule:: 3 hours w/o shelter, 3 days w/o water, 3 weeks w/o food
2) Navigation:
-In a natural setting, the "heavier"/"fuller" side of the tree faces south
-On a human cut tree, the wider/thicker rings face south
-Winter: rocks, ridges, etc., the southern most point will have less snow
-The Moon rises /sets opposite the sun; rises in the west/set's in the east
3) Water:
-Birds fly TO water in the morning, and are leaving water in the evening
-All animals need to drink-Game trails converge going towards water
5) ALL Four Legged mammals AND snakes are edible!
6) All edible fish is edible raw...99.9% of fish is edible!

Back:

7) Universal Edibility Test:
-Place juice/oil on skin; await for irritation
-Place small amount of oil/juice on tongue; await for irritation
-Chew/swallow small amount; wait 12 hours for negative effects
-Chew/swallow medium amount; wait 12 hours
-Food is edible; start off in small qty's
8) Heat Loss: Body loses heat the following ways:
-Radiation: Heat naturally leaving the body
-Evaporation: Moisture carrying heat away from body
-Convection: Air moving heat away from body
-Conduction: Heat transferring from body to another object
-Respiration: Sucking cold air in, neutralizing the warm air in the body
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by ancient_serpent » Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:31 am

On one side I would put two measurement sections, one for millimeters/centimeters, one for inches.
On the other, I would put a measurement scale for measuring distance on a 1/50,000, a 1/24,000 and a 1/100,000 scale map. You could probably do this on three of the four corners and would have a way to measure distance and work with those three fairly common map scales. We had measurement ticks on the side of the old lensatic compass, but it was a bit unwieldy to use over a protractor. This seems like you could put really accurate measurements on the cards with the laser etching.

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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by Sun Yeti » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:24 am

cyruspace wrote:I would think you want things on the card that would be important to health care workers if you are not conscious, next would be certain survival info you don't think you can memorize, though the more important the info the more effort you should make?

allergies you have
your blood type
medicines you take
contact list
organ donor?
burial requests including religion if wanted
surgeries you have had
major illnesses you have had
immunization record
Your home address and home phone number

Your doctor would probably be a good source on what you should have on the card

drivers liscense number?
SS number?

oral rehydration formula
Got the rehydration formula. I would really suggest against putting your social on anything you don't have to; identity theft without a social is annoying, with a social it's a life-changing catastrophe. I think an allergy-type bracelet is a better place for medical info; that's where the EMTs look (as I understand).
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by cyruspace » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:01 pm

Sun Yeti wrote:
cyruspace wrote:I would think you want things on the card that would be important to health care workers if you are not conscious, next would be certain survival info you don't think you can memorize, though the more important the info the more effort you should make?

allergies you have
your blood type
medicines you take
contact list
organ donor?
burial requests including religion if wanted
surgeries you have had
major illnesses you have had
immunization record
Your home address and home phone number

Your doctor would probably be a good source on what you should have on the card

drivers liscense number?
SS number?

oral rehydration formula
Got the rehydration formula. I would really suggest against putting your social on anything you don't have to; identity theft without a social is annoying, with a social it's a life-changing catastrophe. I think an allergy-type bracelet is a better place for medical info; that's where the EMTs look (as I understand).
You can also have the medical bracelet. If you are unconscious your medical bracelet may be gone. You may suffer a loss of limb which would be why you lost the medical bracelet and a contributing factor of why you are unconscious. If one has serious medical issues they should probably where a bracelet, necklace and info in their wallet! Another place medical staff will look is your wallet where on your aluminum card you can have your complete medical history. Can also have this info on a piece of paper in your wallet which could be burned, or destroyed with water, blood, chemicals etc.

I put a ? mark next to SS number because I agree it can be an issue. The drivers license number would be another way you can be identified so your family friends can be notified.

Other possibilities.
Info on how to stop bleeding, dealing with shock, dealing with poisoning, dealing with nuclear fallout
The numbers of various government support and aid agecies, national and local
fema, fbi, state and local police, national poison hotline, local fire, nsa etc.
numbers beyond the generic 911
the number of your doctor or specialist
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by angelofwar » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:41 pm

I second the emergency numbers...other useful things would be frequencies/emergency channels

e.g.

CB- Channel-9 - 27.06500 mHz
GMRS- Channel 6 - 462.6750 mHz
Shortwave FEMA: 5236.0, 14396.5, 4490.0
Scanner:
Nat. Guard: 34.90, 163.4875
Red Cross 47.42
Fire: 154.28, 154.265, 154.295
Mil. Nat. Disaster: 163.5125

There's really tons you could put on there, but these are some samples.
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Re: What info to put on an aluminum survival card?

Post by Wraith6761 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:05 pm

Magnetic declinations for your area could be another useful thing for land nav...
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