Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

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Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by Dead_Like_Disco » Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:34 pm

I see a lot of people list or put defensive weapons in their kits and a lot less focus on personal protective measures. Just wondering if it's cost, weight, or just plain don't see the point? I've just put some pics and links to the kind of things I'm talking about that may or may not be useful while traveling in a high population density urban environment during unstable times. Curious if anyone is for or against any of the items or any other ideas. My preferences run toward more "low-key" but that's just me.

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http://m.safetyglassesusa.com/254-ch-40102.html
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http://www.safeguardarmor.com/stealth/
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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by roOism » Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:20 pm

I've got basic protective gear in my preps: dust masks, eye protection, sturdy gloves, sturdy footwear, knee & elbow pads. The pads are "military style" as I got them on blowout from Galls, but everything else is very low key non-tacticool.
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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by Rick Shaw » Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:44 pm

The items listed will be very useful
The cost is a bit much.
The vest is about 550 for level iiia which is a standard price for that level of protection

But the mask is 30 bucks and the shirt is like 275.

I say if you can afford it get.

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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by AS556 » Sun Nov 09, 2014 5:56 pm

I think those puncture/cut resistant gloves and also the goggles and concealable IIIA vest could all be useful and the price isnt prohibitive IMO. Not chep, either, but doable. I did just buy a PC that will be used for carbine courses, home/property defense, range use,SHTF, etc, plus theyre just cool. For a regional temporary disaster type bugout, which is obviously infinitely more likely than a post apocalyptic INCH scenario, I think that police style bulletproof vest with a compact pistol concealed (AIWB 8-) ) would be much more preferable than a PC and rifle.

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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by Stercutus » Sun Nov 09, 2014 6:59 pm

I don't think I would wear those googles in anything short of a full blown riot, tornado or dust storm. A good pair of ballistic lenses with a retention strap will do wonders without fogging up, being heavy or limiting visibility.
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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by cyruspace » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:17 pm

Of course these things can be helpful in the right circumstances. These items do add weight and would slow you down if you find yourself on foot.

In an urban environment with all the potential for toxic fumes and fires. I do like an appropriate mask and eye protection
eye protection I think gets more valuable if moving in woods
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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by Mikeyboy » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:11 pm

If your interested there was a thread on "Prepper Armor" a few months back.

viewtopic.php?f=34&t=113722

Repeating what I posted on that thread, the problem that you will run into beyond the weight issue and carrying too much unnecessary stuff is how will your "protective gear" will be perceived by others. Going out in full riot gear in the middle of a riot could actually get you killed. Same is true with desperate people after a non-riot SHTF urban event when they assume you are Police or Military. They may hound you for help and beg for your supplies, and when they realize you are not a cop, you could get overwhelmed and robbed. Finally if law enforcement is shaky in some areas but cracking down hard in others like with Katrina, you may be singled out by the police as impersonating an officer, or at the least up to no good and in need of a pat down and a talking to.

While this guy may look safe in all his protective gear, in an urban SHTF situation it also makes him a huge target.

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Protective gear will still help, but keep it low key, hidden and definitely take the "grayman" approach. Blend in with everyone else.

As mentioned by others, a protective mask, eye protection and gloves are very useful in an urban disaster. A concealable BPV, if you have the money to burn and its legal then sure why not. However, don't go too crazy or you will get diminishing returns in your overall protection.

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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by woodsghost » Tue Nov 11, 2014 3:14 pm

I love eye pro for walking around in the woods at night without a light or NVGs. I also like to have something on my eyes for high winds and in the cold, like -10 F and if there is any wind at all. Also, having some sort of sun glasses or dark lense for goggles is nice in winter in the daytime. It is not a bad idea to have eye pro when chopping wood.
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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by Dead_Like_Disco » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:09 pm

I went ahead and ordered these from the same site as the goggles along with some Rx inserts. I decided they were more "low key" but still offered the dust and particulate protection I was looking for over standard safety glasses.
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I also ordered up the dust mask and spare filters. Rest of the stuff will have to wait.

My goal is more "grey", I know that not everyone subscribes to the same philosophy. To each their own.

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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by woodsghost » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:19 pm

Dead_Like_Disco wrote:
My goal is more "grey", I know that not everyone subscribes to the same philosophy. To each their own.
I think those goggles look great. While not everyone is fond of the grey man, I think we need to be adaptable and flexible. I simply think we should not tie ourselves to one strategy. Those animals with a wide variety of response options are better able to survive than animals with only a narrow set of response options. Being flexible and adaptable to whatever is going on is key.

You can see my own failure to take my own advice though. Look at my response above. Is there any hint I"m thinking about using goggles in an urban environment? No. Because I refuse to think about urban environments. I need to be more flexible too. That has been bothering me all day! :vmad:
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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by Dead_Like_Disco » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:48 pm

Thanks for that link Mikeyboy. I feel that thread was going down the rabbit hole of a literal zombie type scenario. Nothing wrong with that because it's all in good fun.

My concerns revolve around particulate in the air from fires, encounters with knife wielding individuals up to no good, dogs that are confused and scared after being turned out by their once loving owners, and the odd Saturday night special in the hands of someone who has watched one too many action movies. I'm prolly naive but I'd like to think that someone who invests in a full on battle rifle with all the goodies isn't looking to harass some dude minding their own business.

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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by johnk568 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:17 am

The gear is great to an extent. If you can use it and it's for you, then use.

Just like holsters, I can't wear an IWB, I got "Dunlop's" disease, but if you like then, then wear them. I can't.

So I guess what I trying to say is if you like it, do it!

I have a lot in my BOB and have 32 miles to get home, when TSHTF. It's quite heavy and with my age, it's a dounting task. It might take my a couple of days to get home.

Being "grey" only works if there is ROL. In a WROL situation, anybody, grey or otherwise, are going to be targets for gangs, ruffians, etc.

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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by Mikeyboy » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:58 am

Dead_Like_Disco wrote:Thanks for that link Mikeyboy. I feel that thread was going down the rabbit hole of a literal zombie type scenario. Nothing wrong with that because it's all in good fun.

My concerns revolve around particulate in the air from fires, encounters with knife wielding individuals up to no good, dogs that are confused and scared after being turned out by their once loving owners, and the odd Saturday night special in the hands of someone who has watched one too many action movies. I'm prolly naive but I'd like to think that someone who invests in a full on battle rifle with all the goodies isn't looking to harass some dude minding their own business.
I agree. Ironically I think the biggest overlooked item for overall prepping is a simple N95 mask.

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Heavy smog/ light smoke from fires ( For real heavy smoke an N95 mask only provides very marginal protection, a Respirator would be better)

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Also when your house is demolished from a disaster and you are fixing it, you have a mask and gloves. Same with dealing with a knee deep pool of raw sewage, or a dead dog, or anything else that could pop up in a disaster.

Rifles, hi-cap magazines and multicam tactical nylons are cool but they don't have a lot of use for the majority of disasters.

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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by Squidi » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:48 am

Mikeyboy wrote:
I agree. Ironically I think the biggest overlooked item for overall prepping is a simple N95 mask.
I have one of these for drywall, sanding etc..

http://www.uline.com/Product/Detail/H-1 ... lsrc=aw.ds

For $14 + some filters I feel like I get a much better seal out of the mask after I start sweating and moving around.

If you just have all the money, I hear these are super nice (I've also heard they are like being attacked by an alien face hugger, so, YMMV ).

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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by Dead_Like_Disco » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:15 pm

Nice.

I'm fitted for an Avon gas mask at work and cleared/qualified/fitted/trained to use an SCBA like firemen use. I've worn an N95 for 8 hours straight working around someone with TB, luckily it was mostly fresh air. One thing I recommend to anyone considering a "serious" mask is to take the nice clean filter off and then tape over the inlet hole with 3/4 of the inlet obstructed and then just do some light house work, wash some dishes, mop a floor, throw in some laundry... That is how much air you will be getting after about 4 hours in an environment with your filter clogging full of particulate.

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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by acropolis5 » Fri Nov 14, 2014 7:28 pm

I live and work in a highly urbanized area. My EDC/GHB Kit is geared to get me out of the smoke filled high rise, train tunnel, ash/debris filled atmosphere, during a fire or after a crash or explosion. Thus my standard but still fairly compact kit includes: small headlamp, Xcaper filter mask ( covers CO too), 3M flat N-95 mask, nitrile EMT gloves, larger swim googles, lightweight Nomex/ Kevlar/ pleather gloves, & and either a silcloth or plastic (one use) pocket poncho. No helmet, tac goggles, special boots or bullet proof vest. But hey, mine is a real EDC Kit, which I actually tote around. It's not a fantasy disaster kit or a car/ home Kit. My extra eyeglasses are an older Bolle set up with (swappable) high strength clear or tinted plastic and prescription inserts. Not pretty if you end up having to use them in an office enviornment, but adaptable for lightweight multi use EDC.

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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by Dead_Like_Disco » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:26 pm

Sounds like great EDC for your application! Mine was more for like a bug out from home to a wilderness environment where if I were on foot it would mean walking 14 miles if I didn't have to detour along the way.

Edited to add: 14 miles through an urban environment :)

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Post by TheZone » Fri Nov 14, 2014 8:37 pm

I wouldn't recommend the gloves. As a police officer I've seen them used, but I prefer very heavy duty surgical gloves. They are very nearly as resistant, vastly cheaper, and if they get covered in bodily fluids you can just discard them and pull out another pair.

The key to fluid protection gear is disposability.

Ditto with masks and outer garments.
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Post by acropolis5 » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:19 am

The Zone, I'm not sure I understand your glove advice. My theory, time permitting, is to put on the EMT gloves, for liquid & infection protection , say in a first aid type situation. If I'm trying to get out of a fire, collapse or debris filled area, the Nomex/ Kevlar/ pleather gloves go on top of the others, for protection from glass, wood splinters, to move debris, etc. ( donning the masks & goggles, as needed) The use of the gloves, alone or in combination, I think, gives me the most adaptability in my size & weight restricted set up.

What would you do differently under the same constraints, i.e. My entire EDC/ GHB is ~8lb.s packed in a 900 cu in LL Bean Carry All Day Pack. In addition to what I mentioned already, it includes a Trauma kit, Boo-Boo kit, wipes, toilet paper,cordage marker, pad, LM Tool, ResQMe, whistle,compass, mirror, am-fm radio, energy bar, Mylar foil blanket, light poly socks, yellow bandana , 2 x ER flat water bags + coffee filters + foldable filter support+ 10 x water pure tabs, 2 x Seychelles water straw purifiers, some recharge cords/ plugs, cash and a few other daily EDC goodies This still leaves room for me to add my IPad , snacks, small book, 2 x 16oz water bottles on the outside pockets and to tie a fleece or light shell to the Fastex patches I had sewed on to the bottom. Admittedly, if I add the IPad etc., it gets heavy, unwieldy and looks & carries like a "quart in a pint bottle". But it's doable in an emergency.

I keep better walking shoes or boots, change of clothes, xtra coat/ fleece, in both car and office. But not on me if I'm city walking or using mass transit. I try to dress correctly for the weather, keep gloves/ cap/ scarf in coat pocket. But it!s tricky to always get it right. That's why I have the silcloth poncho & poly socks to use as second or liner socks, in the EDC bag. Also supplement with foot powder in tiny zipLock bag and blister dressings in the EDC Boo Boo Kit, in case I have to walk home in an emergency.
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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by hondo » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:43 am

It depends on scenario and what is the most likely danger for one to face for example in Vermont during this months blanket, hand/body and foot warmers gloves and hats are must in the car, also tea candles, lighter, matches,flares, some water and dried food( protein bars etc.) knife and pen and paper pad. Biggest threat is going of the road and having inoperable vehicle.Having surgical gloves and mask is also good thing in the case if you run into car crash and last thing you want to do is touch unknown bleeding person with bare hands and without mask.

Now if you work hour and half driving from the home and expect to be forced to walk home flashlights ( more than one) water and water carrier are must if you can have a gun great if not than knife or two, sunglasses, ordinary towel to cover nose and mouth in the case of fire and ash , shemagh is kinda overkill if it is hot like AZ, NM, TX than having a hat is also must. Wet towel can be used as a way to bring body temperature if placed on the neck or even a head. Chapstick ,sunblocker also if you wear business attire at work having a spare clothes and shoes is must.

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Post by TheZone » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:46 pm

acropolis5 wrote:The Zone, I'm not sure I understand your glove advice. My theory, time permitting, is to put on the EMT gloves, for liquid & infection protection , say in a first aid type situation. If I'm trying to get out of a fire, collapse or debris filled area, the Nomex/ Kevlar/ pleather gloves go on top of the others, for protection from glass, wood splinters, to move debris, etc. ( donning the masks & goggles, as needed) The use of the gloves, alone or in combination, I think, gives me the most adaptability in my size & weight restricted set up.

What would you do differently under the same constraints, i.e. My entire EDC/ GHB is ~8lb.s packed in a 900 cu in LL Bean Carry All Day Pack. In addition to what I mentioned already, it includes a Trauma kit, Boo-Boo kit, wipes, toilet paper,cordage marker, pad, LM Tool, ResQMe, whistle,compass, mirror, am-fm radio, energy bar, Mylar foil blanket, light poly socks, yellow bandana , 2 x ER flat water bags + coffee filters + foldable filter support+ 10 x water pure tabs, 2 x Seychelles water straw purifiers, some recharge cords/ plugs, cash and a few other daily EDC goodies This still leaves room for me to add my IPad , snacks, small book, 2 x 16oz water bottles on the outside pockets and to tie a fleece or light shell to the Fastex patches I had sewed on to the bottom. Admittedly, if I add the IPad etc., it gets heavy, unwieldy and looks & carries like a "quart in a pint bottle". But it's doable in an emergency.

I keep better walking shoes or boots, change of clothes, xtra coat/ fleece, in both car and office. But not on me if I'm city walking or using mass transit. I try to dress correctly for the weather, keep gloves/ cap/ scarf in coat pocket. But it!s tricky to always get it right. That's why I have the silcloth poncho & poly socks to use as second or liner socks, in the EDC bag. Also supplement with foot powder in tiny zipLock bag and blister dressings in the EDC Boo Boo Kit, in case I have to walk home in an emergency.
As a police officer, I carry several pairs of heavy-duty latex gloves. In a crisis there isn't time to change your wardrobe, so the simple fact is you go as you are.

And when exposed to blood or bodily fluids, disposable is the only way to go.

Since your game plan is flight, I would think that would apply doubly in your case. Disposable barriers are cheaper & more compact.

My gear load-out is based on the fact that I won't be running away, but rather heading in, so there are not a lot of comparisons other than the blood-barrier issue.
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Re: Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by acropolis5 » Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:55 pm

The Zone, I'm not sure if you just made a poor choice of words or if you were just trying to sound superior. Tell me, when did self- extrication / self first-aid , in a disaster area become "flight" or "running away"? If you can't get yourself up & out of accident/ terror scene and get organized, you will not be in a position to help others. Or is that too much logic for your machismo to handle?

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Post by bc99 » Sun Nov 16, 2014 2:24 am

I wear those Bolle glasses, I have the same ones. I use them during warrant service. I don't use any super high speed gear for that, those safety glasses are rated just fine and I wanted something clear to use when entering buildings in case of breaking glass, thrown objects, spitting bad-guys, etc.

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Urban "Escape" Protective Gear. Useful or useless?

Post by Low_Speed » Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:29 am

I keep eye protection with me at all times. My Oakley do for day to day protection. During the fall and winter I wear a pair Wind Jackets. I keep a pair of M Frames with Halo for more serious situations. I do have a pair Wiley X SG-1. Goggles are pretty good but it's difficult to keep them from fogging up.

Does anyone think about hearing protection?

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