^They will not stop 7.62X54R AP rounds consistently.That said the SAPI plates in military armor will stop conventional rifle rounds (up to 7.62x51) and the heavier ESAPI plates will stop the older M2 AP out of the .30-06.
correct, however most of the companies that have contracts for ESAPI's(I could be wrong but right now I think its just ceradyne??) or SAPI's also sell them to non-DOD customers, thus most if not all of the military's plates also are tested and conform to NIJ standards.I think the military still uses V50 standards for testing and not the NIJ stuff.
this was more or less sarcasm, yes if you are actively involved in a firefight the adrenaline and chemical cocktail will keep you going. It was more to convey the message that having over 2500 ft/lbs over energy dumped into your chest or back is not going to feel good regardless and if you aren't on an adrenaline high or have other guys backing you up, your probably going to have some other issues after taking a shot to the chest."if it manages to stop it, you'll be lucky to have just a cracked sternum."
Ceramic SAPI's not holding up to multiple shots is physics not opinion, dragonskin being a notable exception due to its quantity of ceramic disks(the down side is they were held together by glue and had a tendency to melt and sink to the bottom of the carrier), and the displacement of energy by spreading out over a larger area and shattering is also physics. I seen ESAPI's get cracked just from being poorly packed and bags roughly handled.Post by Blacksmith » Mon Apr 29, 2013 7:41 pm
but most of the REAL spec ops guys I have had the ..."pleasure"...of working with are generally "lightly armored" or even unarmored, yea sure your at a higher risk but lets face it,
Level IV are specialty plates that usually only executives or government officials wear. Military get issued a level III soft armor and level IIIA plates rated for AP 308, thats why we have the option of plate carriers.
Ceramic SAPI's are designed to absorb most of that energy by being stiff and then shattering, but they don't hold up as well to multiple shots.
I could go on but BHP hit a lot of it already. Seldom have I seen so much incorrect information posted in two back to back posts by the same poster in one thread like that.
Yes yes that was sarcasm, kinda, they aren't exactly every day police officer plates, nor are they normal wear for military, yes are ESAPI's rated for level IV but only guaranteed when combined with the Level IIIA soft armor, now that could be just to convince us to wear the full flak over plate carrier but based on the little pamphlet that comes with the flaks, active duty are issued Level III standalone or Level IV combined plates. So saying that stand alone Level IV plates are specialty really isn't incorrect.Level IV are specialty plates that usually only executives or government officials wear.
.but most of the REAL spec ops guys I have had the ..."pleasure"...of working with are generally "lightly armored" or even unarmored, yea sure your at a higher risk but lets face it,
I'm not going to list out capabilities over the internet but think about it.....a full flak with delt protection, thigh protection, blast panties, side sapis, the collar/yoke, neck protector, and nut flap gets really really awkward to walk around in no less do anything physical in....most regular ground combat units don't wear all that shit anymore. An on certain missions, yes SOF doesn't wear rifle plates, if your mission is blend in with the local military in some bum-f**k country and they don't wear body armor, you wearing body armor is just going to spotlight you. If they go on a raid, sure they are wearing armor, but not juggernaut suit or power armor a lot of people expect.
Rereading what I wrote is does come off a little, misdirected. However my main point is if you are in SHTF scenario where you need rifle armor, and you don't have a lot of other things, several other people fighting with you (hopefully at your level of training or higher), an armored vehicle(if you have a vehicle), a semi-reinforced building(if you are static), and if you are foot mobile, you are probably going to want some kind of close air support or a lot more buddies. Body armor is heavy and cumbersome, especially anything with rifle plates, if you are out on your own and carrying everything you need wearing a flak is going to be really really annoying especially if your not planning on getting into a gun fight. As far as the "two posts of misinformation", we only learn from being wrong so please let me know the specifics if you think anything else I sad was wrong. This isn't a d*%k measuring contest, its about getting the right information out there, so if you've got anything else that contradicts what I know please put it out there, too much information in the planning stages is better than not enough information(unless you have the dumb).