Fake vs surplus

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Re: Fake vs surplus

Post by roedy » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:13 am

woodsghost wrote:If it says "made in Korea" it is probably not GI issue. And the stuff I have that was made in Korea broke down quickly compared to the stuff I have that was made in the US.

Also, there is something funny about the webbing. The American stuff seems to be more abrasive and tougher, while the Korean stuff I have is slicker, smoother, and a bit thinner. It does not stay in place as well with the buckles.
There's no "made in Korea" label attached on this jacket. Yes its surface seems abrassive and thick, or I can say that it has the same material as my woodland camouflage M65 jacket made by Winfield MFG. CO., but that OG-107 has some unusual clothing material as added parts at the end of its sleeves.

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Re: Fake vs surplus

Post by roedy » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:16 am

Evan the Diplomat wrote:
roedy wrote:Thank you, stertucus. I couldn't find that label you're talking about. I just can say that it is looked old, in its metal buttons there written "KAUV C.O. PROV R.I."
Back in the day Providence Rhode Island and a lot of garments and associated materials like buttons, snaps and zippers.
There is a KAVU Enterprises registered in Cumberland RI.
Thank you, Evan the Diplomat. Then does it mean that this jacket is a genuine or authentic one?

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Re: Fake vs surplus

Post by Evan the Diplomat » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:28 am

roedy wrote:
Evan the Diplomat wrote:
roedy wrote:Thank you, stertucus. I couldn't find that label you're talking about. I just can say that it is looked old, in its metal buttons there written "KAUV C.O. PROV R.I."
Back in the day Providence Rhode Island and a lot of garments and associated materials like buttons, snaps and zippers.
There is a KAVU Enterprises registered in Cumberland RI.
Thank you, Evan the Diplomat. Then does it mean that this jacket is a genuine or authentic one?
I can not say for sure, but ask yourself this, why would a Chinese or Korean company go to the trouble to buy buttons all the way from Rhode Island when they have plenty to choose from locally?
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Re: Fake vs surplus

Post by roedy » Thu Jul 10, 2014 5:33 am

TacAir wrote:
roedy wrote:Dear Doctorr Fabulous,
Nice to see you.
I have a Olive Green M65 field jacket but it looks unusual (I am sorry it seemed that I can not posting pictures here). This jacket has no epaulettes but it has silver zipper (CONVAR). It has three labels:
1. Written as: SMALL SHORT
Chest: from 33 to 37 inches
Height: up to 67 inches
Stock No.: 8405-782-2935

2. Written as: COAT MAN’S FIELD
WITH HOOD, NYLON
COTTON SATEEN OG-107
DSA 100-1928

3. Usage and washing instructions.

I need your help to know anything about my jacket, why it is not like the common M65 field jackets.
Thank you.
This link
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-First-Year ... 1196053871
would indicate your jacket was made in 1965, a first year issue item and seems to be rare or collectors item.

Did you buy the jacket from an outfit in Texas?.
Thank you TacAir, the jacket on eBay is exactly as the same as my jacket but mine has no patches attached on it. I try to attach some pictures here, on the left side is the picture of my jacket (except the last image which shown labels the left and middle pics were mine) while the others I took from the internet for comparison.
[img][IMG]https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/b9f6/ ... ap2q4g.jpg[/img][/img]]
[img][IMG]https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/8c74/ ... ushc4g.jpg[/img][/img]]
[img][IMG]https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/d29f/ ... d3a84g.jpg[/img][/img]]
[img][IMG]https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/e4ed/ ... 5b334g.jpg[/img][/img]]
[img][IMG]https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/b88e/ ... xi2w4g.jpg[/img][/img]]

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Re: Fake vs surplus

Post by TacAir » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:11 pm

roedy wrote:
TacAir wrote:
roedy wrote:Dear Doctorr Fabulous,
Nice to see you.
I have a Olive Green M65 field jacket but it looks unusual (I am sorry it seemed that I can not posting pictures here). This jacket has no epaulettes but it has silver zipper (CONVAR). It has three labels:
1. Written as: SMALL SHORT
Chest: from 33 to 37 inches
Height: up to 67 inches
Stock No.: 8405-782-2935

2. Written as: COAT MAN’S FIELD
WITH HOOD, NYLON
COTTON SATEEN OG-107
DSA 100-1928

3. Usage and washing instructions.

I need your help to know anything about my jacket, why it is not like the common M65 field jackets.
Thank you.
This link
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rare-First-Year ... 1196053871
would indicate your jacket was made in 1965, a first year issue item and seems to be rare or collectors item.

Did you buy the jacket from an outfit in Texas?.
Thank you TacAir, the jacket on eBay is exactly as the same as my jacket but mine has no patches attached on it. I try to attach some pictures here, on the left side is the picture of my jacket (except the last image which shown labels the left and middle pics were mine) while the others I took from the internet for comparison.
[img][IMG]https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/b9f6/ ... ap2q4g.jpg[/img][/img]]]
[img][IMG]https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/8c74/ ... ushc4g.jpg[/img][/img]]]
[img][IMG]https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/d29f/ ... d3a84g.jpg[/img][/img]]]
[img][IMG]https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/e4ed/ ... 5b334g.jpg[/img][/img]]]
[img][IMG]https://www.mediafire.com/convkey/b88e/ ... xi2w4g.jpg[/img][/img]]]
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Re: Fake vs surplus

Post by roedy » Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:18 am

I can not say for sure, but ask yourself this, why would a Chinese or Korean company go to the trouble to buy buttons all the way from Rhode Island when they have plenty to choose from locally?[/quote]
Okay, I guess there's a great possibility that it is an earlier genuine issue jacket.
Thank you Ivan. :D

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Re: Fake vs surplus

Post by RapidM4 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:55 pm

TacAir wrote:In my 20+ years in the US military, I never had a jacket with anything other than a brass zipper. Maybe the first year was different, dunno.
The transition to the brass zippers in M65 jackets happened somewhere around 1970.

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Re: Fake vs surplus

Post by ODA 226 » Sat Jul 12, 2014 3:00 am

ghost792 wrote:Another clue is the color/pattern. USGI Large ALICE packs were only made in OD green, except for a few in coyote made for the USMC FILBE trials. These are marked "test article c" and are likely very rare.). Issue large ALICE packs were never made in an camo pattern (unless in very small numbers for testing).
We had a few of those floating around in the early 1980's when I was in the 10th SF Group. They were never very popular.
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