Fletch wrote:I just want to clarify, Bear Grylls was in the TA, which is basically a weekend club for men who -wish- they were in the army.
'After leaving school, Grylls briefly considered joining the Indian Army and hiked in the Himalayan mountains of Sikkim. Grylls joined the Territorial Army and served as a reservist with the Artists Rifles 21 Regiment, 21 SAS(R), for three years until 1996.' <wiki>
Gettin real tired of the bullshit surrounding this guy - and just to reiterate, Ray Mears TEACHES/HAS TAUGHT the SAS. Who's swinging the bigger dick?
If a <Wiki> source is considered accurate then it is marvelously easy to refute the baseless and almost malicious opinion "..a weekend club for men who -wish- they were in the army"
Basically the British Territorial Army (TA) is the equivilent of the American National Guard who are nowhere near being a weekend club either.
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- In 2003, 9,500 reservists, the vast majority of them from the TA, were mobilised to take part in Operation Telic, the invasion of Iraq.
Approximately 1,200 members of the TA have continued to deploy annually on tours of duty in Iraq, Operation Herrick in Afghanistan and elsewhere, normally on six month-long roulements
So being a professed Grylls hater, why not specifically go after the unit that Grylls was part of since "Artists" seems like such a pansy name?
The history of the Artists Rifles 21 Regiment, 21 SAS(R) is quite interesting:
From Andrew Marr's 'The Making of Modern Britain'
on WW I
"Those who think of painters and writers as effete might be interested to know that no regiment, battalion or division of the British army suffered higher casualties then the Artist's Rifles, the 28th Battalion of the London Regiment, which specialized in training subalterns-so much so that they where known as the Suicide Club."
Modern History: http://www.eliteukforces.info/special-a ... -reserves/
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SAS(R) Role And Operational History
The traditional role of 21 and 23 SAS is to carry out long range reconnaissance patrols for the regular UK Army (although these days the focus is on augmenting UKSF operations), freeing the regular SAS from recon tasks and onto direct actions. 23 SAS had previously been trained for combat search and rescue (CSAR) although it's now reported that role has been given to dedicated RAF Regiment units.
In the 1991 Gulf War, members of SAS(R) were used as battlefield casualty replacements for deployed 22 SAS units, namely landrover fighting columns from A and D Squadrons who were operating in the Iraqi Desert.
SAS Reservists deployed to the Balkans in the mid-90s. Members from 21 and 23 SAS formed a composite unit known as 'V Squadron' and were engaged in peace support operations.
In 2003, it was reported that 21 and 23 SAS had been operating in Afghanistan where they have carried out long range reconnaissance operations(1).
Another role that SAS reservists are thought to carry out is that of so-called 'hearts and minds' operations. On such missions the SAS give medical and other assistance to local forces and populations in a given theatre. In Helmand Province, Afghansitan, SAS(R) were reportdely deployed in a mentoring role, training and operating alongisde the Afghan National Police (ANP).
According to a April 2010 Telegraph report(2), SAS(R) first deployed to Afghansitan in 2003 where they helped to establish a communications network across the country. They also acted as liason between various local political factions, NATO and the new Afghan goverment. The same report mentions that SAS(R) were withdrawn from frontline duties in Afghanistan due to a lack of a clear role. Their mentoring role with the ANP was taken over by regular units. Some SAS Reservists were reported to be carrying out close protection duties for Foreign Office personnel in Kabul, Afghanistan's capital city.
The men of 21 and 23 SAS are typically issued with standard UK infantry weapons, ie the SA80, LMG, GPMG etc.
So attack Grylls' TV show all you can, I could care less. Cite episodes, methods, how beer-gut Mears would have done it or whatever. Explain exactly how big of a dick is needed to swing when climbing Everest if you actually know anything at all about how physically tough you have to be to do it. Perhaps do some research and try slamming Grylls actual military record? I reiterate: Actual Military Record and not personal attacks from his ex-military media rivals. Keep in mind that the selection process for his unit nets only 12 out of 150 applicants. Yeah, it is not 22 SAS but so what? Maybe he never fired a live round in combat or something shocking like that? Please cut out the baseless bullshit attacks that malign all of the British Armed Services and focus on some facts about what Grylls does wrong for survival tradecraft. I'm interested in that since I didn't waste time watching much TV and I don't play any computer games.