MilCopp 2012 Carbine II class, June 9-10

[TheLastOne]

yep, google map houston mo grocery, restaurants, hospital, and fire dept and you should be covered.

[Braxton]

yep, google map houston mo grocery, restaurants, hospital, and fire dept and you should be covered.

Lets fucking hope not.

[Kutter_0311]

yep, google map houston mo grocery, restaurants, hospital, and fire dept and you should be covered.

Lets fucking hope not.

Let's just know where it is, to play it safe...

Do we even have a Corpsman/medic/paramedic/EMT/nurse?

[Greg Focker]

yep, google map houston mo grocery, restaurants, hospital, and fire dept and you should be covered.

Lets fucking hope not.

Let's just know where it is, to play it safe...

Do we even have a Corpsman/medic/paramedic/EMT/nurse?

Most of us are graduates of the "Dannus Maximus lunch break course" on GSW treatment... that's like staying at a Holiday Inn Express last night, right?

[TheLastOne]

Fuck, I check where the nearest hospital is on all my trips to anywhere new(um and firedept, walmart, and McDs for emergency drive through shake and burger)

[Vicarious_Lee]

yep, google map houston mo grocery, restaurants, hospital, and fire dept and you should be covered.

Lets fucking hope not.

Let's just know where it is, to play it safe...

Do we even have a Corpsman/medic/paramedic/EMT/nurse?

Most of us are graduates of the "Dannus Maximus lunch break course" on GSW treatment... that's like staying at a Holiday Inn Express last night, right?

It will be far superior to any skill set I'll be bringing in the matter, which is virtually none. If you survive and are then disabled, hey, MY TIME TO SHINE!!!

Better plan: Don't shoot no one in the ass or other parts, no matter how slow you have to go. Really, I'll wait. I don't mind not getting nicked.

[doc66]

Truth of the matter is simple; we bury the body and divide the gear. Instructors get first dibs.

[TheLastOne]

Truth of the matter is simple; we bury the body and divide the gear. Instructors get first dibs.

[KC44]

Truth of the matter is simple; we bury the body and divide the gear. Instructors get first dibs.

I have a shovel in my car kit.

[Greg Focker]

Truth of the matter is simple; we bury the body and divide the gear. Instructors get first dibs.

I have a shovel in my car kit.

I can bring a 50# bag of solid NaOH

[Kutter_0311]

This is the second thread I've been on in a few weeks to degenerate to talk of disposing of corpses.

I know this is ZOMBIEsquad, but jeeze!

[Braxton]

I have a hundred and fifty acres of back woods Missouri Ozarks and a case dozer. I think I get dibs.


On the other hand... Lets just be safe and have a hell of a good time.

[DannusMaximus]

Most of us are graduates of the "Dannus Maximus lunch break course" on GSW treatment... that's like staying at a Holiday Inn Express last night, right?

Refresher on GSW first aid (taken from a post I put on the AAR for last year's course). Doubleohseven is hot shit on combat trauma treatment, he's a good source if you have specific questions.

Back on topic, though: Anyone take badass notes on the GSW first aid class? I remember some bits: pack the wound full of gauze, let the doctors deal with pulling that nasty shit out later, Quick-Clot is cool but only marginally more so than ordinary gauze, um...elevation is no longer taught is significant...pressure is king...getting a little hazy now, who got better notes?Actually maybe a gunshot/blowout first aid primer, written by Dannus and Doubleohseven, would be a good addition to the First Aid section...unless there already is one?

Good discussion on blowout kit contents in these threads:

viewtopic.php?f=43&t=75447&hilit=blow+out+kit
viewtopic.php?f=43&t=66939&hilit=gunshot

Lots of hits on threads discussing kit contents and treatment if you do a search for 'gunshot' in the FA forum.

My kit contains: CAT-T tourniquet, 4x4 gauze pads (2), 5x9 trauma pad (1), 4" roll gauze (2), Israeli (izzy) bandage, medic shears, small roll of duct tape, nitrile gloves.

I'm happy to summarize my portion of the class, I'll leave the combat medic part to 007 since that's more his forte:

1. If you're doing something involving shooting guns, you should have on your person (or very nearby) a GSW kit.
2. You're not going to 'fix' a gunshot wound, a surgeon is going to do that. But you can help to make sure the patient gets to the surgeon alive.
3. The level of treatment you will need to provide largely depends on injury location and how long it's going to take you to get to the hospital
4. GSW injuries are going to involve most if not all of the following issues: bleeding, shock, fractures
5. Accordingly your kit and training needs to be able to address the issues noted in #4.
6. To treat the wound you have to be able to see it. Cut away or remove clothing and gear so you can visualize the injury. Remember that a gunshot wound might be a through and through, so look for both entry and exit wounds.
7. Wear gloves. Seriously. Blood is full of nasty critters and blood slicked hands are sticky and hard to work with.
8. Bleeding control is your primary concern. Deal with it by using direct pressure on the injury (and don't be a pussy about it -- use your man hands and press down hard with a bulky dressing) and using an izzy wrap or roll gauze to keep the dressing in place, using HARD pressure on pressure points for limb injuries (upper inside arms or where the femoral arteries descend into the upper legs), and an improvised or ready-made TQ placed a couple of inches above the wound. Don't release pressure on the TQ if you use one, don't remove dressings/bandages to have a look-see.
9. Civilian EMS is not generally teaching use of TQ as a first step in bleeding control. If a dressing and direct pressure is controlling bleeding on a GSW, there's no need to slap a TQ on. Use the level of bleeding control that will get the job done, no more. YOU don't likely have a 'scope of practice' so do what you need to do/feel comfortable doing.
10. Treating for shock (O2 isn't getting to your brain, etc.) is your next concern. Assume that anybody with a GSW will experience some level of shock. Sit their ass down (or lay them down), elevate their legs above the head so gravity can assist in keeping blood in their brain, keep them warm. That's pretty much all you can do for field treatment of shock unless you have O2 on hand.
11. Treat fractures using a splint to stabilize the fracture site and the joint above and below the fracture. Splinting helps reduce further injury from sharp bone ends and helps reduce pain. This is more important if you have a long or complicated trip to the hospital (like if you're hunting and it's a 30 minute hike back to your care). If you're just at your local range farting around, you can likely skip this step - - EMS pros will deal with it when they get there.
12. Head or torso shot? Sucks to be you. Use bulky dressings and pressure on the injury. If you want to get fancy with occlusive dressings for sucking chest wounds, have at it, but read up on that technique since we didn't really cover it. It's not rocket science. Get thee to the hospital most ricky tick.
13. Don't forget to call 911, or have somebody else do it while you provide treatment. Calling 911 should be one of, if not THE, first thing done.

That's about it for my part. Happy to try and answer specifics. I of course recommend everybody get certified in red cross first aid and CPR as part of their general preps.

I'm supremely jealous I won't be in attendance for this class. Have a great time and be careful!

[Kutter_0311]

Exellent time to pop in, Dannus! Thanks!

[Vicarious_Lee]

Okay. Wolf got here and it's sighted in at 50 meters. I mean, in tall grass, among red ants, on a bench rest sitting on an oversized doormat and supported by a bed of freshly knocked over weeds and wildflowers, I'm in the bullseye with irons and EOTech. Considering the ammo is WMC and my eyes are so non-functional that I can't really see much beyond a blur at 50 meters, I think that's about as good as it's gonna get.

[gravediggerfour]

Went out to the range yesterday and did some shooting with the miss. They got the range looking pretty good. New covered benches at 600 are awesome.

I go into high gear this week painting the 6 new v tac barricades and loading mags. All the steel is in and painted also.

Who is coming in Thursday??

[doc66]

I will be coming in Thursday! Late, but there.

[TheLastOne]

I'll be in Thursday night as well, staying at the 'Bates' Southern Inn on HWY 63. Likely in fairly late.


Goals this week!:

Get the 9mm out of boxes and into can (boring), at least I got the wolf on strippers last month.
Gather up as much of my gear that I can so I don't forget something important like my camelback or mags
Go buy a case of gatorade (already found some coconut water on sale *yum*, and a couple packs of oral iv. I refuse to be a heat casualty)
Get my oil changed and give the vehicle a once over, including extra gallon of windshield fluid for all the damn bugs I'm about to drive through.
Double check ccw reciprocity for states I'm going through
Reassure VLee and myself at least one more time that we're not going to totally suck
Try to stop telling everyone at work how stoked I am
Up the workouts for this week to taper off for next week
Find a damn cat sitter.

Woo bitches, it's on.

[Braxton]

If all goes as planned I will be in Thursday night to let people meet at the house. If anyone needs the address please PM me.

[Vicarious_Lee]

I hope to be getting to town about 6 pm Thursday. I didn't know you were coming, GD4. Excellent!

[KC44]

Noble and I are leaving KC about 1pm and should get to our motel at about 6pm Thursday. Should we plan on going to Braxtons for some pre-shoot social drinkfest / zombie face eating BBQ (Miami news)? Or should the old guys (50 & 65+) get our rest so we cam arrive Friday rested and ready to learn stuff? I hope you young folks are nice to the elder statesmen. Real nice.

My cheap a$$ Wolf 223 ammo should be here on Wednesday and all the rest is ready to go. The RRA AR got here Wednesday and is now sighted at 100yds and the AK is still good to go (pig killer). Less than 2 weeks to go....YEE HAW. I hope the HP/County Sheriff doesn't stop us on the way down cause it might be a news item...arsenal,,,etc.

Edit: I am bringing the .308 and will be looking for some LR shooting / learning so I hope there is some competition. Note to self: Bring the shooting mat.

[gravediggerfour]

I hope to be getting to town about 6 pm Thursday. I didn't know you were coming, GD4. Excellent!

Get with the program Lee, I'm hosting this fest of bad ass training!

I will be at the range most of the day on Thursday doing prep work if anyone wants to stop by and get eyes on before hand show up early and you can confirm zero's at range if need be.

[Vicarious_Lee]

I hope to be getting to town about 6 pm Thursday. I didn't know you were coming, GD4. Excellent!

Get with the program Lee, I'm hosting this fest of bad ass training!

I will be at the range most of the day on Thursday doing prep work if anyone wants to stop by and get eyes on before hand show up early and you can confirm zero's at range if need be.

Well shit. Focker's still only got you as "possible" listed on the front page. If I get in any earlier (I won't) I'll join you at the range. Now I just have to pray over this enormously inflamed chigger bite I got sighting my rifle in yesterday so it doesn't turn into a hellish MRSA thigh abscess.

[crypto]

Now I just have to pray over this enormously inflamed chigger bite I got sighting my rifle in yesterday so it doesn't turn into a hellish MRSA thigh abscess.

dont use any of that devil-spawn triple antibiotic, that shit will condemn you to everlasting hellfire.