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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by smokestack » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:23 am

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Shotgun with slugs. That's what most anyone I've ever talked to uses to hunt bear seems logic would say it would be fine for defense as well.

Baring that Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan.

Just like that back on topic :clap:
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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by squinty » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:26 am

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Baring that Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan.

Just like that back on topic :clap:
Pro tip: be careful baring that Ruger Redhawk Alaskan if you're not in an open carry state. Could be considered brandishing, and It's illegal to brandish at bears.

OT: While I have never had to fight a bear, I have had a few close bear encounters in wilderness parks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFvl7_q51ew" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by Czechnology » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:21 pm

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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by RickOShea » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:08 pm

squinty wrote:It's illegal to brandish at bears.
What about "pistol whipping"?

Spare the rod, spoil the bear....That's my policy. I used to not have a policy, but now I got that one.

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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

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RickOShea wrote:
squinty wrote:It's illegal to brandish at bears.
What about "pistol whipping"?

Spare the rod, spoil the bear....That's my policy. I used to not have a policy, but now I got that one.

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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by Dawgboy » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:39 pm

Interesting Story on NPR Radio this morning about the recent bear attacks in Yellowstone in 2010-2011. The things I took away from it were that people with guns were "60%" more likely to be injured or killed by a charging bear than those with a can of pepper spray, and that none of the people killed by bears had any pepper spray...

Kind of makes a lie out of being able to tell grizzly scat from black bear scat by the bells and peppery smell...

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http://www.npr.org/2012/06/18/155263982 ... -for-bears
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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by squinty » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:44 pm

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And I heart you for it. You fucks! :lol:
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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by squinty » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:49 pm

Dawgboy wrote:Interesting Story on NPR Radio this morning about the recent bear attacks in Yellowstone in 2010-2011. The things I took away from it were that people with guns were "60%" more likely to be injured or killed by a charging bear than those with a can of pepper spray, and that none of the people killed by bears had any pepper spray...

Kind of makes a lie out of being able to tell grizzly scat from black bear scat by the bells and peppery smell...

Edit: Forgot the link...

http://www.npr.org/2012/06/18/155263982 ... -for-bears
I think the theory (wow how tenuous is that assertion: "I think it might be a theory that just maybe" - eh, watch and marvel as I make it anyway) is that pepper spray works because bears have really sensitive olfactory organs, like a hound dog. If you have way more nerve endings in your nose than a person, and your nose is uber-senstitive, pepper spray might well feel a lot worse than a 125 grain handgun bullet in your 800 pound shoulder.
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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by MicSteve » Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:09 pm

squinty wrote:
Czechnology wrote:
smokestack wrote:you guys display a complete and utter lack of a intelligent volcabulary
We certainly do.
And I heart you for it. You fucks! :lol:
Considering this "Fuckin' What?" is how pretty much everyone around me speaks all the time I'm lucky I can communicate at all.

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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by Stercutus » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:27 pm

RickOShea wrote:
squinty wrote:It's illegal to brandish at bears.
What about "pistol whipping"?

Spare the rod, spoil the bear....That's my policy. I used to not have a policy, but now I got that one.

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Is this a brown bear mating ritual? I had problems with this before. Which is the male in the picture?
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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by NamelessStain » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:47 pm

Blacksmith wrote:
RickOShea wrote:
squinty wrote:It's illegal to brandish at bears.
What about "pistol whipping"?

Spare the rod, spoil the bear....That's my policy. I used to not have a policy, but now I got that one.

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Is this a brown bear mating ritual? I had problems with this before. Which is the male in the picture?
I'm guessing the one on the left is the male.... more hair on his chest.
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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by Stercutus » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:51 pm

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I'm guessing the one on the left is the male.... more hair on his chest.
I see something poking out too. She is really going to get it.
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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by smokestack » Wed Jun 20, 2012 6:46 am

Czechnology wrote:
smokestack wrote:you guys display a complete and utter lack of a intelligent volcabulary
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Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by Red Tamarillo » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:14 am

All the talk about shotguns, and no one mentioned the Taurus Judge revolver in .410. I think I've read it's a potent handgun. I'm surprised I haven't seen it in a series of Top Shot yet.
Load it with alternating buckshot and solid slugs and Mr Bear will be feeling sorry. You could also use the solid slugs to breach any locked doors in the bear PAW (has anyone else mentioned we are dealing with a bear PAW?), if you need to run and regroup/reload. (Do they make speed loaders for the Judge?).

If we're talking shotguns you can't go past this quad one with speed loaders from a New Zealand movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmyNqO6LAvQ" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Re tigers, there's two classic experts in the field- Kenneth Anderson (Nine man eaters and one rogue) and Jim Corbett (Man eaters of Kumaon):

http://www.amazon.com/Nine-Man-Eaters-R ... 8129116421" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.amazon.com/Man-Eaters-Kumaon ... 0195622553" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Kenneth favoured a .405 Winchester 1895, Jim a double 450/400, and .275 7x57, and I think one talked about using a double barrelled shotgun loaded with buckshot as a back up carried by another (trustworthy) person. I'd have to reread them for that part. These guys had mucho balls to be out in the dark with primitive torches (no surefires), and maneating predators. Arnie had it easy.

Edit, both books are online:

http://archive.org/stream/NineMan-eater ... 5/mode/2up" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://archive.org/stream/maneatersofku ... 5/mode/2up" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The cops shooting the nutjob's menagerie would have done better if they'd been running the .458 conversion on their M4's:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.458_SOCOM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by Stercutus » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:48 am

silvermiketrate wrote:All the talk about shotguns, and no one mentioned the Taurus Judge revolver in .410. I think I've read it's a potent handgun. I'm surprised I haven't seen it in a series of Top Shot yet.
Load it with alternating buckshot and solid slugs and Mr Bear will be feeling sorry. You could also use the solid slugs to breach any locked doors in the bear PAW, if you need to run and regroup/reload. (Do they make speed loaders for the Judge?).
Hmm, that Judge thing looks really interesting. It is like having a really powerful shotgun in the easy to carry and handle size of a handgun. No one can really debate the power and accuracy of .410 shot out coming out of a 5" barrel either. It should make a pattern that will make it impossible to miss if you are anywhere near the bear. You can even go with the bobbed hammer for easy concealed carry.

I wonder how it stacks up against the BFR? I like to buy American whenever possible.

Maybe on Top Shot they could lock the competitors in a cage with five hungry Grizzly bears and a .410 Judge loaded with different kinds of shot? I would pay money to see that on PPV.
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Post by Red Tamarillo » Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:55 am

Blacksmith wrote: You can even go with the bobbed hammer for easy concealed carry.

I wonder how it stacks up against the BFR? I like to buy American whenever possible.
I don't know if I should talk about this as I don't want this moved to the other weapons forum, but if you're after American made and you like hammers why not go an Estwing?
On this page here they show one that's taken out a T-Rex skull:

http://www.estwing.com/category.php?category_id=8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Red Tamarillo » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:11 am

Blacksmith wrote:
Hmm, that Judge thing looks really interesting. It is like having a really powerful shotgun in the easy to carry and handle size of a handgun. No one can really debate the power and accuracy of .410 shot out coming out of a 5" barrel either. It should make a pattern that will make it impossible to miss if you are anywhere near the bear. You can even go with the bobbed hammer for easy concealed carry.

I wonder how it stacks up against the BFR? I like to buy American whenever possible.
Re the Judge vs BFR, you'd have to buy both and do a scientific test like guys do in all their hobby fields. In this case I'd recommend setting them up on tripods with a robotic finger pulling the triggers and shooting into ballistic gel.

Those guys who run around and shoot moving targets on special ranges, or go hunting, have skipped their fundamentals like this and don't do as well when the SHTF.

Plus they won't have a robot to back them up. I've watched lots of Doomsday Preppers recently so understand you need your partner plus at least one other to fight off the bad guys after the sun ejects pulses onto the earth. If you don't have any small kids, these robots could help you. Plus they don't require kid sized gas masks, so you can spend some more money on other preps.
Just remember to store the robots in a metal trash can so they survive the pulses.
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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by Stercutus » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:13 am

silvermiketrate wrote:
Blacksmith wrote: You can even go with the bobbed hammer for easy concealed carry.

I wonder how it stacks up against the BFR? I like to buy American whenever possible.
I don't know if I should talk about this as I don't want this moved to the other weapons forum, but if you're after American made and you like hammers why not go an Estwing?
On this page here they show one that's taken out a T-Rex skull:

http://www.estwing.com/category.php?category_id=8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Plus I can use it to escape from Shawshank. We should stick with handguns though. I need to keep the bears away not engage HTH.
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Post by RickOShea » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:30 am

Blacksmith wrote:
silvermiketrate wrote:All the talk about shotguns, and no one mentioned the Taurus Judge revolver in .410. I think I've read it's a potent handgun. I'm surprised I haven't seen it in a series of Top Shot yet.
Load it with alternating buckshot and solid slugs and Mr Bear will be feeling sorry. You could also use the solid slugs to breach any locked doors in the bear PAW, if you need to run and regroup/reload. (Do they make speed loaders for the Judge?).
Hmm, that Judge thing looks really interesting. It is like having a really powerful shotgun in the easy to carry and handle size of a handgun. No one can really debate the power and accuracy of .410 shot out coming out of a 5" barrel either. It should make a pattern that will make it impossible to miss if you are anywhere near the bear. You can even go with the bobbed hammer for easy concealed carry.

I wonder how it stacks up against the BFR? I like to buy American whenever possible.

Maybe on Top Shot they could lock the competitors in a cage with five hungry Grizzly bears and a .410 Judge loaded with different kinds of shot? I would pay money to see that on PPV.
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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

Post by squinty » Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:04 am

silvermiketrate wrote:
Blacksmith wrote:
Hmm, that Judge thing looks really interesting. It is like having a really powerful shotgun in the easy to carry and handle size of a handgun. No one can really debate the power and accuracy of .410 shot out coming out of a 5" barrel either. It should make a pattern that will make it impossible to miss if you are anywhere near the bear. You can even go with the bobbed hammer for easy concealed carry.

I wonder how it stacks up against the BFR? I like to buy American whenever possible.
Re the Judge vs BFR, you'd have to buy both and do a scientific test like guys do in all their hobby fields. In this case I'd recommend setting them up on tripods with a robotic finger pulling the triggers and shooting into ballistic gel.

Those guys who run around and shoot moving targets on special ranges, or go hunting, have skipped their fundamentals like this and don't do as well when the SHTF.

Plus they won't have a robot to back them up. I've watched lots of Doomsday Preppers recently so understand you need your partner plus at least one other to fight off the bad guys after the sun ejects pulses onto the earth. If you don't have any small kids, these robots could help you. Plus they don't require kid sized gas masks, so you can spend some more money on other preps.
Just remember to store the robots in a metal trash can so they survive the pulses.
I'd just be really careful how much trust I'd put in those robots if I were you. RobotSquad can be pretty insidious.
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Re: Best Round/ Gun for Ursus Arctos Horribilis

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So a T. Judge won't reliably stop a man but we're considering it to stop a bear?

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Post by RickOShea » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:48 am

Tetra Grammaton Cleric wrote:So a T. Judge won't reliably stop a man but we're considering it to stop a bear?

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Silly, bears don't know what a Judge is (or isn't) capable of....Unlike a lot of humans. :wink:
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RickOShea wrote:
Tetra Grammaton Cleric wrote:So a T. Judge won't reliably stop a man but we're considering it to stop a bear?

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Silly, bears don't know what a Judge is (or isn't) capable of....Unlike a lot of humans. :wink:
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