PROJECT RATTLETRAP: PROJECT COMPLETE!

[Oneswunk]

The recoil spring is only 15-20 pounds, right? Couldnt you just, you know, /lean/ on it a little?

Just don't launch your 20lb spring...

When ya do the wife makes you repaint the bedroom.

[crypto]

Do you have a sight staking tool?

Well, goddamnit now that I think about it, its going to be pretty hard to stake it without one. I wonder if Robin has one, he went to gunsmith school. I'll ask him and see.

[Dogan]

The title of this thread should be "Crypto buys a vaguely 1911 like object and makes a 1911 like firearms from it"

[Dave_M]

OK I managed to get my full length guide rod back on my STI. I had to use a paper clip (the recommended tool) and even then I could not use the recoil spring I had in the gun but a worn out one. I just could not get the spring to compress by hand enough. I don't know what kind of guide rod your 1911s have but this kind has a second bushing around the muzzle end of rod that interfaces with the barrel bushing. This bushing has the full power of the recoil spring behind it and I can not simply push it down. Even if I was able to get this thing apart like this I would need the paperclip to put the thing back together again. I can supply pictures if you want. The full length rod does seem to make things smoother, I'll give you that.

Here's what I do:
-Clear pistol etcetera
-Push down on the guide-rod bushing with a coin to release tension
-Rotate barrel bushing clockwise until it clears the guide-rod bushing (obviously keep pressure on it or it's gonna go flying)
-Ease off the guide rod and slowly remove the spring
-Rotate barrel bushing counter-clockwise and take it off
-Disassemble as normal

[praharin]

JMB didn't design the perfect weapon...

Sure he did

[KentsOkay]

JMB didn't design the perfect weapon...

Sure he did

[Kommander]

OK I managed to get my full length guide rod back on my STI. I had to use a paper clip (the recommended tool) and even then I could not use the recoil spring I had in the gun but a worn out one. I just could not get the spring to compress by hand enough. I don't know what kind of guide rod your 1911s have but this kind has a second bushing around the muzzle end of rod that interfaces with the barrel bushing. This bushing has the full power of the recoil spring behind it and I can not simply push it down. Even if I was able to get this thing apart like this I would need the paperclip to put the thing back together again. I can supply pictures if you want. The full length rod does seem to make things smoother, I'll give you that.

Here's what I do:
-Clear pistol etcetera
-Push down on the guide-rod bushing with a coin to release tension
-Rotate barrel bushing clockwise until it clears the guide-rod bushing (obviously keep pressure on it or it's gonna go flying)
-Ease off the guide rod and slowly remove the spring
-Rotate barrel bushing counter-clockwise and take it off
-Disassemble as normal

While I am sure.that that would work OK it seems like allot of work when the gun functions just fine with the normal recoil set up. To each his own I guess.

[doc66]

JMB didn't design the perfect weapon...

Sure he did

A pistol that can't fire with the magazine out is the perfect weapon? PLEASE! That's just the first of the problems with the HP... poorly designed beaver tail, too small thumb safety, narrow ejection port.... Shall I go on?

All these things could have been fixed at anytime, but FN and everyone who makes the HP has to stick with the less than perfect design rather than make it an actual shootable pistol.



I'm just sayin.

[Regular Guy]

JMB didn't design the perfect weapon...

Sure he did

A pistol that can't fire with the magazine out is the perfect weapon? PLEASE! That's just the first of the problems with the HP... poorly designed beaver tail, too small thumb safety, narrow ejection port.... Shall I go on?

All these things could have been fixed at anytime, but FN and everyone who makes the HP has to stick with the less than perfect design rather than make it an actual shootable pistol.



I'm just sayin.

Novak can fix that HP for ya....just saying. Those Novak HPs are badass.

[doc66]

No, but I have a vise, a few punches, and a lot of hate. Do I need anything more?

Front sights on the 1911 are tricky if they are the staked ones. Just when you think you've got it, it's still loose. According to a local gunsmith, to stake your own, you've really got to pound the hell out of it if you don't have the tool--but not too much.

I don't do the front sights for that reason. It's simply easier to take it to a 1911 guy and let them stake it.

[agent-smith]

JMB didn't design the perfect weapon...

Sure he did

I think I have a new Best Friend...

Also, I was looking at (not "seriously considering", but "looking at") Ed Brown 1911s and I saw one that I almost considered purchasing...until I saw that it is named the "Special Forces" model, and has "SPECIAL FORCES" engraved on the side. Having never been in .mil I really don't care to have a pistol with "SPECIAL FORCES" engraved on the side. Stupid Ed Brown...

[JTNieman]

Hey, hey, fuckin' hey, now.

You 1911 fuckin' historians can jack off to your antiques all you want, but don't go and start bashin the High Power. You're just mad that you're still lovin' on a platform JMB decided wasn't good enough.

The ejection port is FINE and I've -never- had a stove pipe or any problem with it. I've run my BHP through USPSA matches several times. The thumb safety is PROPER because it doesn't get in the way like that gigantic fucking thumb PLATFORM on the 1911. It's a safety BUTTON, guys, it's not supposed to be a fucking ergonomic hogue-like contoured grip. The safety is there so you can ride the safety easily and have it be switched off easily with a good solid grip. Never had an issue.

As for the magazine disconnect, I quite agree. I took it out and it improved the quality of the trigger massively, allowed the mags to drop free, and it was an easy fix. It only required the removal of a teeny tiny pin and small connector (which now sits in a ziploc bag in my safe, in the BHP bin) However, just like the abhorrent grip safety on the 1911, sometimes when your client (in this case, the French military, in the 1911's case, the US military) gives you retarded requirements, you just have suck it up and make it how they want, so you can pay the rent.

I've never been pinched by the slide either, so the beaver tail is fine. We're holding guns, not swords. You don't need a goddamn hand covering panel like the fucking cutlass of a pirate. Suck it up.

Oh yea, and all this bullshit with your disassembly? Guess how it's done on a BHP? JMB -did- invent the perfect gun with the materials available in his lifetime. (that last part being a very important distinction)

Now, a pic for enjoying the porn (which shows it before I took out the mag disconnect):

You can go back to fondling your antiques now.

[doc66]

See, now your just trying to justify your own preference. The HP is just as much an antique as say, a 1911 and a M1 Garand.

Like Crypto and I discusses in PMs, the reason why 1911s and their offspring the HP have all that crap wrong with them is mainly due to the Military trying to keep troops from shooting themselves and their horses. Yes, I said horses. Horses are the reason why we got all that crap on a 1911, they are the reason why we got all that crap on our HPs, Random, Walther P38s, and because of horses and ill trained troops, it carries over to the Beretta and the Smith steel frames, among others.

See, what makes me an Honest, Logical, Forthright Fellow, is that I can accept the short comings of my weapons platforms!

And for those of us who have man-hands, the HP beavertail is abysmal. You can like a firearm designed for girls, I will still complain about it.





BTW, I used to own a HP, I traded it because it wasn't the awesomeness I was hoping for. Glocks and Sigs I guess are my kind of date. Oh, and 1911s!

[JTNieman]

I was just yankin' chains on the typical 1911vsGlockvsWhatever tangent

I bought an M&P to use for serious use. My BHP remains as a safe queen that gets shot once a year, maybe, and mostly admired. I really do like it. I got pretty manly hands though. I use the LARGE grip panel on my M&P and even used a wood burner to melt on MORE plastic that I cannibalized from the SMALL grip panel, in order to fill some of the gap between grip and palm, to provide more even pressure during a 'combat grip'. I just never had a problem with slide bite on my BHP for some reason, even when gripping high and riding the safety. /shrug

I still want to get a 1911, but if I get anything, I'd prefer it be a working-mans style Colt, just for nostalgia's sake more than anything. No nickel plating or two tone sorta stuff. Just blued steel and plain regular grip panels.

[doc66]

I know, I was yankin back.

[JTNieman]

Proof, for lulz:

[agent-smith]

Damn; that bitch sure has some hairy-ass knuckles.

[JTNieman]

They're not always ass knuckles but when they are, they're hairy.

[crypto]

Proof, for lulz:

Damn, dude.



You even got the color right.

[crypto]

I don't do the front sights for that reason. It's simply easier to take it to a 1911 guy and let them stake it.

I've considered that, but most 1911 guys turn their noses up at the AO guns and wont touch them I think I know a guy with a staker though, and I'm going to follow it up with red loctite. If it ever falls out again, I'll bite the bullet and either get a dovetail on it, or drill a shotgun bead there instead

[jnathan]

I have had a front dovetail come off my circa 2000 Springfield loaded series twice. The dovetail and its slot weren't stippled and the pin not staked or peened in.

Since then it's been stippled into place and the pin peened in from underneath (as in the underside of the slide as is done on more recent Springfields). Any gunsmith that turns their nose up at any weapon is just letting money walk right out their door and probably doesn't deserve your business in the first place.

-Jeff

[praharin]

JMB didn't design the perfect weapon...

Sure he did

You have seen through my clever ruse!






Common guys, only the Canadians and Brits like the HP, how good can it actually be?


again!

[KentsOkay]

The only 9mm pistol I've shot is a BHP, loved it. As my first pistol I'm gonna hunt for one OR a Sig P226. I am sad I missed the boat on the police trade in BHP's

[Kommander]

Aren't Sigs basically tarted up Hi-Powers anyway?