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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by Kommander » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:47 am

Cpt. MelonBuster wrote:So I am considering a 1911 tacti-lol range toy in the future, that if it proves itself might end up as a nightstand/guest gun.

RIA Tactical as the base gun
Some sort of tan operators operatin' grips
Derpa-coated flat black
A rail from Brownells welded on
Front strap checkering

Thoughts?
You would be better off buying a gun with all those mods already done to it. Look at some of the Springfields.
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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by Cpt. MelonBuster » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:49 am

Kommander wrote:
Cpt. MelonBuster wrote:So I am considering a 1911 tacti-lol range toy in the future, that if it proves itself might end up as a nightstand/guest gun.

RIA Tactical as the base gun
Some sort of tan operators operatin' grips
Derpa-coated flat black
A rail from Brownells welded on
Front strap checkering

Thoughts?
You would be better off buying a gun with all those mods already done to it. Look at some of the Springfields.
The only Springfields with rails and front strap serrations go for at least $1300 as far as I know, as opposed to $450 + parts + gunsmithing.

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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by ausher » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:51 am

RIA has a full rail 1911 coming out soon (mabey it is out...) I'd like to get. Should venaround $700ish.

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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by Cpt. MelonBuster » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:54 am

ausher wrote:RIA has a full rail 1911 coming out soon (mabey it is out...) I'd like to get. Should venaround $700ish.
After a quick browse of the interwebs...

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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by Kommander » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:59 am

That railed RIA would be good for you then I suppose. While you might be able to do all those mods to an RIA for less than a similarly appointed Springfield the price would end up close enough that I would pay the extra few bucks to have the better gun.
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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by Cpt. MelonBuster » Sat Jun 11, 2011 1:26 am

This is interesting as well.

http://centerfiresystems.com/AC-RI1911-2011-NS.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by Kommander » Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:43 am

Cpt. MelonBuster wrote:This is interesting as well.

http://centerfiresystems.com/AC-RI1911-2011-NS.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Yea if I was you I would just buy that.
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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by Gaston » Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:55 pm

Fuck that. I aint gonna CCW a fucking 5 inch government profile 1911. I have carry guns, this is a woods gun. All I want is a simple kydex or nylon holster that will last, has a thumbstrap or a big flap ect. If I need to getr another safepacker thats fine, I just wanted to know my options.
Suit yourself, but if your woods are as tangled and thick as you described it might be a good idea to "hide" your pistol from the limbs and vines. I'd hate to need it and find my lanyard tangled up in the greenbriars, but each to his own. I find it a lot easier to raise the hem of my BDU to grab an unencumbered pistol than to mess with flaps and SERPA releases and lanyards and such. At least you have your extensive experience to back up your choice in the matter, though.
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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by ncpatrolar » Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:16 pm

Cpt. MelonBuster wrote:This is interesting as well.

http://centerfiresystems.com/AC-RI1911-2011-NS.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Keep in mind that finding holsters for full railed 1911s can be problematic. Also, I dont believe full railed 1911s are legal in IDPA (if you want to use it in a match)
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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by strm_trpr » Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:54 pm

I love my SS springfield Milspec 1911. Match barrel, check; flared ejection port, check; durable stainless steel, check; rails, nope but I don't want rails on my 1911 because i have a left hand :)
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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by Haji » Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:07 pm

As long as it meets the production number requirements for IDPA, I'm pretty sure it'd be legal. To be more sure, I'd have to go find my rule book, which I'll save for later. I gotta have something to do on a Sunday.

The reason the TRP with the full rail isn't IDPA legal is because it's got a coned barrel and is bushingless. The RIA gun pictured has a traditional style bushing, so it's not excluded for the same reason that the TRP is.
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Post by ncpatrolar » Sun Jul 10, 2011 8:31 pm

Haji wrote:As long as it meets the production number requirements for IDPA, I'm pretty sure it'd be legal. To be more sure, I'd have to go find my rule book, which I'll save for later. I gotta have something to do on a Sunday.

The reason the TRP with the full rail isn't IDPA legal is because it's got a coned barrel and is bushingless. The RIA gun pictured has a traditional style bushing, so it's not excluded for the same reason that the TRP is.

Scratch my previous comment.....just looked at the photo again and noticed that the RIA isnt a full length rail gun.


On the note of full rail guns though; full length dustcovered guns are illegal in CDP and ESP.
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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by Matt E. » Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:52 pm

As an overview (NC, I'm not talking to you here :wink: ), if you really want to understand the 1911, do a search for a guy by the name of Larry Vickers. Another very helpful name would be Hilton Yam. Hilton's site has very detailed info of 1911 for serious use. There are hundreds of "1911 gunsmiths" and guys like that. What sets these two apart is that they both belong or belonged to organizations that are known for high round counts, and they both carried the pistol on duty in said organizations.
It sets them apart from most of the others.
Check them out.
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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by KaceCoyote » Mon Jul 11, 2011 12:57 am

Expect to have my RIA tactical by mid july(this month) Pictures will follow.



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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by Gaston » Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:10 pm

So, what holster did you order?

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Post by KaceCoyote » Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:31 pm

Gaston wrote:So, what holster did you order?

I snagged a tactical tailor Molle thing on closeout, and I'll snag a Bianchi Evader when I get it.
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I'll snag some nicer leather down the way, but that should do be entirely for the immediate short term.
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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by Gaston » Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:07 pm

The padded nylon OWB type holsters can work really well, especially if built with a quality retention device like the Bianchi you posted. I know they get run down a bit by folks with fancy gunleather, but they can work well if they're designed right. I haven't found one for IWB carry I like simply because I find the extra thickness uncomfortable.

I just received an IWB holster from Steven at kelleygunleather.com that instantly became my favorite, which rarely happens with me. I prefer a little more cant than the FBI standard 15 degree, and he made one with a 20 degree cant at no additional cost. Fit and finish are outstanding, and that's compared to holsters from El Paso Saddlery and the Milt Sparks Summer Special II that this holster moved out of my #1 spot. Cost is extremely reasonable, so you might want to give his work a look down the road if you decide you want leather. He likes custom work and makes OWB and other holsters, too, and my custom holster took less than a week from order to delivery.

I have no interest in his business and get no discounts or kickbacks, I just wanted to share the good experience I had with his work.

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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by ROBBYBEAR » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:12 pm

1911 NEWB questions: Do all 1911's take the same mags? I'm looking into a Para Ordinance GI Expert. Would Chip McCormick power mags work with the GI Expert?

Never mind. I found my answers.
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Post by MaconCJ7 » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:34 pm

I have the BlackHawk! IWB leather holster for my 1911. It's actually quite comfortable.

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Construction is solid and fit is perfect. I have to adjust it for comfort when I'm in the truck, but walking around it stays put. Haven't had it hang up in draw practice, and everything stayed in place when I climbed one of those rock walls with my kids.
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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by SeerSavant » Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:58 pm

Here's something that's pretty cool...

For the record I have a Galco Hi Ride leather holster, and love it...


But Get Russian Gear (http://getrussiangear.com/) has the efa holsters available now for the 1911..

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Yeah, I know, pic of a MAK, but the 1911 pic was not available..

Here's the neato part...
Holster EFA-M1911 originally was designed for military special forces and was tested to withstand the harshest weather conditions and physical mistreatment. The holster retains its effectiveness even after being submerged in water or sand. Since this device is made from special polymer plastic, it is very durable and only breaks if purposely destroyed. The gun needs to be positioned into the holster without round in the chamber, and a loaded magazine. There are two ways how to remove the gun from the holster:
1. If the gun is pulled upward, it functions like a regular holster (without loading the gun).
2.To load the gun quickly with one hand, push the gun downward through the holster. The special holster mechanism will switch safety off, send a round to the chamber, and cock the hammer. The gun is ready to shoot less than a second. This holster works with any M1911 handguns.
Just under a hundred bucks.... Safer than a Serpa? :D


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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by pyratemime » Sun Jul 31, 2011 11:32 am

This has been an incredibly interesting and informative thread. I have a 1911 on my list but it currently sits close to the bottom as I am rather... stringent about keeping my weapons to as few calibers as possible and my semi-auto pistol caliber is 9mm. I know that some manufacturers offer 9mm 1911's but those seem rather steep in price at around $1000 starting. Does anyone know where I can get a starter 9mm 1911 or am I going to have to go with .45ACP if I want to find a starter level pistol?
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Post by SeerSavant » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:48 pm

pyratemime wrote:... Does anyone know where I can get a starter 9mm 1911 or am I going to have to go with .45ACP if I want to find a starter level pistol?
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Post by pyratemime » Mon Aug 01, 2011 6:46 am

Well that was quite speedy, thanks. So my next question, what (if any) unique issues do I need to be aware of for a 9mm version of a handgun originally designed for .45ACP? And what are the parts that will not be readily inter-changable between calibers, beyond the obvious?
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Re: Help me understand 1911s

Post by SeerSavant » Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:16 am

Para is the first to really come out with 9mm as far as I know, the armscor/RIA have begun coming out, some versions of the RIA I read are interchangable with Para magazines, but that's as far as I got...
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