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Glock .40 or .45 based on weight? Fail zero treatment?

Post by alfred10 » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:01 pm

I carry a 1911 but shoot also shoot a Glock well. I want to take a Glock with me for a SHTF side arm. I am debating between a Glock 21/30 in .45 cal or a model 22 in .40. This is a secondary weapon system and maybe a .40 will drop a deer better than a .45. My main concern is the weight of ammo. I am only carrying one side arm with two reloads and 100 rounds of extra ammo.

How much lighter is 100 rounds of 230 grain .45 than 100 rounds of 180 grain .40 caliber?

Who makes the most field durable defensive ammo? I currently use speer gold dots.

Thinking about throwing a stainless barrel in and having it treated with fail zero. It will pretty much run forever with that.


This is why I picked a glock for my SHTF side arm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj5Kcs4dzro" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Phoenix David » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:35 pm

My oh my.

You would probably want to go with a rifle than to take a deer down with a .40 cal pistol. While a .40 could probably kill a deer, bullet placement would be very critical and I bet it would still run for a ways.

There are 7000 grains to the pound.

Most ammo is equal in durability, about the only factor I can think of is if the primer is sealed and that's not that big of a deal.

If it's stainless and you exercise a minimum of care the barrel will live longer than you will.

You should probably do more research then seeing a video on YouTube of a test that is of little value in practical application.
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Post by Vicarious_Lee » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:50 pm

alfred10 wrote:I carry a 1911 but shoot also shoot a Glock well. I want to take a Glock with me for a SHTF side arm. I am debating between a Glock 21/30 in .45 cal or a model 22 in .40. This is a secondary weapon system and maybe a .40 will drop a deer better than a .45. My main concern is the weight of ammo. I am only carrying one side arm with two reloads and 100 rounds of extra ammo.

How much lighter is 100 rounds of 230 grain .45 than 100 rounds of 180 grain .40 caliber?

Who makes the most field durable defensive ammo? I currently use speer gold dots.

Thinking about throwing a stainless barrel in and having it treated with fail zero. It will pretty much run forever with that.


This is why I picked a glock for my SHTF side arm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj5Kcs4dzro" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If your plan is to hunt deer with a Glock when SHTF, you need a Plan A.

EDIT: If your plan is to hunt deer when SHTF, you need a Plan A.
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Post by AZMedic » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:04 pm

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I honestly thought you were around 45 + :lol:
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Post by Phoenix David » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:12 pm

AZMedic wrote:My head hurts now.....
That's because you don't sleep right
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Post by Black Mantis » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:15 pm

10mm. You only need to carry two rounds.

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Post by AZMedic » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:16 pm

Phoenix David wrote:
AZMedic wrote:My head hurts now.....
That's because you don't sleep right
I slept three hours today...non consecutive. I got too many phone calls and emails and tours to do....

The 40 Short and weak will be lighter no matter what. Some people use clear nail polish to make absolute sure the primer is sealed 110%. Glock did fail in the video BTW. No gun is perfect. Except a SA 1911.

Shoot a deer with a handgun?!?!?!?!?!

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I honestly thought you were around 45 + :lol:
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:20 pm

Wait a minute, OP, you're going to base your SHTF firearm choice off of a single YouTube video ?

Are you that gullible or are you just messing with us ?

YouTube is not the first place I'd look for firearms advice. Hell, it isn't even on the list of places I'd look for firearms advice.

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Post by Skilled_Kangaroo » Fri Sep 24, 2010 9:52 pm

A Glock 21 for deer hunting? Don't be ridiculous. It's way too overpowered. A .22 is all you need if you're a good shot.

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Post by Paul J » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:06 pm

are you guys saying you cant hunt with a glock?
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Post by Phoenix David » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:09 pm

Skilled_Kangaroo wrote:A Glock 21 for deer hunting? Don't be ridiculous. It's way too overpowered. A .22 is all you need if you're a good shot.

/sarcasm (just in case)
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Post by Phoenix David » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:15 pm

Paul J wrote:are you guys saying you cant hunt with a glock?
You'd have to look at the sate law, I dunno if they exclude Glocks but allow Sig Sauers. As we all know Sig's are made from the tears of virgins and German Gnome magic and can do anything.

IMO the .40 S&W is woefully underpowered for that job, could it kill a deer? Quite possibly with good bullet placement the deer will eventually bleed out and die or maybe shoot it in the brain.

Should that be your primary plan? Only if you plan on bugging out to Wal-Mart to get ammo for your fotay after the SHTF.
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Post by Phoenix David » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:15 pm

Paul J wrote:are you guys saying you cant hunt with a glock?
You'd have to look at the sate law, I dunno if they exclude Glocks but allow Sig Sauers. As we all know Sig's are made from the tears of virgins and German Gnome magic and can do anything.

IMO the .40 S&W is woefully underpowered for that job, could it kill a deer? Quite possibly with good bullet placement the deer will eventually bleed out and die or maybe shoot it in the brain.

Should that be your primary plan? Only if you plan on bugging out to Wal-Mart to get ammo for your fotay after the SHTF.
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Post by Kutter_0311 » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:17 pm

The trick to hunting deer with a Glock: 550 cord to lasso it!

Where the hell is your RIFLE?!?!
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Post by sammage » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:18 pm

Paul J wrote:are you guys saying you cant hunt with a glock?
I heard there was some crazy yahoo that hunts deer with a Glock 19. :lol:
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Post by Paul J » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:20 pm

certainly, it wouldnt be my first choice for hunting, but neither would a bow and people do that all the time
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Post by Paul J » Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:22 pm

shhh. :) Yeah i heard about that nut job too
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I heard there was some crazy yahoo that hunts deer with a Glock 19. :lol:
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Post by AZMedic » Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:11 pm

Dumb question. All the walmarts I go to. Have 40 S&W always. I can't find real calibers like 9mm and especially 45 acp. I just found 10mm for the first time in 2 years.....this speaks volumes to me. 40 sucks and no one likes it but fanboys.
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Post by alfred10 » Fri Sep 24, 2010 11:59 pm

I will have a rifle but want my handgun to drop a deer if I some how break, drop into a river etc/ can no longer use my rifle for whatever reason.

Is a 10mm more powerful than a .357 mag? Figured 10mm would be hard to find in a SHTF situation.

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Post by AZMedic » Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:04 am

alfred10 wrote:I will have a rifle but want my handgun to drop a deer if I some how break, drop into a river etc/ can no longer use my rifle for whatever reason.

Is a 10mm more powerful than a .357 mag? Figured 10mm would be hard to find in a SHTF situation.
10mm is hard to find now.....IDK about more powerful. Gimme a few minutes. Hard to really compare them.
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Post by AZMedic » Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:12 am

Pulled from Hornady site:

10mm

Smallest
155g

10mm 155 gr HP XTP®
Test Barrel (5") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 50 100
1265/551 1119/431 1020/358

Heaviest
200g
Test Barrel (5") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 50 100
1050/490 994/439 948/399

357mag

Smallest

125g
Test Barrel (8 V") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 50 100
1500/624 1301/470 1147/365

158g
Test Barrel (8 V") Velocity (fps) / Energy (ft-lbs)
Muzzle 50 100
1250/548 1150/464 1073/404
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AZMedic wrote:'86 damn almost missed this cutoff. I remember baywatch ya then I became a lifeguard and was like wtf this isn't the same......
I honestly thought you were around 45 + :lol:
He's crotchety enough.

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Post by Vicarious_Lee » Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:27 am

alfred10 wrote:I will have a rifle but want my handgun to drop a deer if I some how break, drop into a river etc/ can no longer use my rifle for whatever reason.

Is a 10mm more powerful than a .357 mag? Figured 10mm would be hard to find in a SHTF situation.
10MM is more powerful, by a long shot, but the scenarios you're describing are dealing with some kind of apocalyptic event that is nearly impossible to prepare for unless you have nearly unlimited funds. Traveling on foot? Hunting wild game to survive? Breaking your primary arm in a ravine and having to revert to your sidearm to shoot wild game for food? That's Donner Party shit. The Donner Party gained fame and notoriety because they got stranded and starved and had to eat humans. This next bit is very, very important:

This happened over 100 years ago, in a time where there was 1/4 as many humans and 4 times the amount of wilds and wild game available in in America. Back then, more than a century before you were born, they still lost their asses and got so desperate they had to eat each other.

Today? Don't worry about it. If you are counting on wild game (like a lot of people that have given the idea of SHTF or societal breakdown virtually no thought at all) then you already lose. If you're counting on wild game to sustain you after an apocalyptic event in which you have somehow survived in the year 2010, then you still lose, and Godspeed to you for carrying on after whatever horrible event causes that.

The SHTF every single day. Personal, divorce, medical, loss of your job, illness, etc.

This post has a single question at the end. This question is very important. This question means that you've actually thought about the ills and wrongs that face you in this life, and in this great country. If you answer this question incorrectly; then every scenario, every possibility, all the wild game in the world....will not do shit for you. You ready?

Do you have decent health insurance and are you taking good care of your health?

If the answer to either part of the question is "No", then this entire thread is just fantasy, just fan fiction, just some crap distraction from reality.

I've seen a lot of people sidelined, bankrupted, and destroyed by illness, job loss, divorce, and economic woes. I've yet to see a person whose survival depended on whether or not their secondary arm could take down wild game that they felt they needed to sustain themselves because they broke their primary arm in some PAW fantasy.

Why? Because that's a fantasy. Let me restate the important question of this thread:

Do you have decent health insurance and are you taking good care of your health?
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Post by nimdabew » Sat Sep 25, 2010 12:35 am

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:Wait a minute, OP, you're going to base your SHTF firearm choice off of a single YouTube video ?

Are you that gullible or are you just messing with us ?

YouTube is not the first place I'd look for firearms advice. Hell, it isn't even on the list of places I'd look for firearms advice.
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