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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by NT2C » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:08 pm

RickOShea wrote: Don't buy clothes with shitty elastic. Try halfway decent stuff with good elastic/stretch bands.

https://www.amazon.com/TRU-SPEC-Polyester-Cotton-9-Inch

https://www.amazon.com/5-11-74251-055-Tactical-Pants/
I've got a pair of the Tru-Spec shorts in the closet right now, alongside my Duluth shorts. And 5.11 makes nothing in my size.
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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by RickOShea » Wed Aug 30, 2017 11:15 pm

KJ4VOV wrote:
RickOShea wrote: Don't buy clothes with shitty elastic. Try halfway decent stuff with good elastic/stretch bands.

https://www.amazon.com/TRU-SPEC-Polyester-Cotton-9-Inch

https://www.amazon.com/5-11-74251-055-Tactical-Pants/
I've got a pair of the Tru-Spec shorts in the closet right now, alongside my Duluth shorts. And 5.11 makes nothing in my size.
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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by yossarian » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:37 am

So, some, if not most of this is going to come across as harsh and insulting, I apologize for that in advance. That is not my intention at all, but I'm not sure how to say it otherwise. ZS has always been a place where folks shoot straight and deal with realistic concerns in spite of the whole zombie thing.

I don't think the answer is a belt, or a holster, or suspenders, or a bag or whatever. I wonder if it's time to re-evaluate the gun, the mags and their practical application. All of the issues you've outlined above that interfere with carrying a double stack 9mm and two mags also reduce the chances that you'll need to reload. You have 52 rounds(assuming a chambered round to start), does the probability of a threat of that magnitude and your ability to deliver those 52 rounds effectively equal or exceed the pain, price and effort of carrying those 52 rounds?
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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by Towanda » Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:24 am

FWIW, I'm not exactly svelte and I carry OWB with a Spec Ops Better Than BDU belt. I've never, ever, had an issue with the belt coming loose on its own. When I had a couple pairs of jeans that would not stay up because they were made for people with no butt, I used a pair of Perry suspenders that hook to the belt instead of clipping to the pants.
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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by NT2C » Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:09 am

yossarian wrote:So, some, if not most of this is going to come across as harsh and insulting, I apologize for that in advance. That is not my intention at all, but I'm not sure how to say it otherwise. ZS has always been a place where folks shoot straight and deal with realistic concerns in spite of the whole zombie thing.

I don't think the answer is a belt, or a holster, or suspenders, or a bag or whatever. I wonder if it's time to re-evaluate the gun, the mags and their practical application. All of the issues you've outlined above that interfere with carrying a double stack 9mm and two mags also reduce the chances that you'll need to reload. You have 52 rounds(assuming a chambered round to start), does the probability of a threat of that magnitude and your ability to deliver those 52 rounds effectively equal or exceed the pain, price and effort of carrying those 52 rounds?
There seems to be miscommunication here. I carry the 9mm when I'm wearing long pants and a jacket, and that works fine because I use suspenders then. The thread started because I'm having trouble keeping my summer cargo shorts up with my M&P Shield 45 and one spare mag, without suspenders. I felt shorts and suspenders just looked too weird to go out in public with, even under my Hawaiian shirts. This thread was started to see if anyone had a better way.

Edit to add: I also live less than 60 miles from that Charlottesville idiocy and stupidity has a tendency to spill over to adjoining areas. I will not be anyone's victim. I'm disabled and elderly, my retreat options are almost nil in a sudden confrontation.
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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by LowKey » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:07 am

The same way I keep them up when I'm not carrying....suspenders.
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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by NT2C » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:51 pm

LowKey wrote:The same way I keep them up when I'm not carrying....suspenders.
Yeah, I've got three new pairs arriving today. We'll see how they work under the shirt.
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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by NT2C » Thu Aug 31, 2017 12:52 pm

Towanda wrote:FWIW, I'm not exactly svelte and I carry OWB with a Spec Ops Better Than BDU belt. I've never, ever, had an issue with the belt coming loose on its own. When I had a couple pairs of jeans that would not stay up because they were made for people with no butt, I used a pair of Perry suspenders that hook to the belt instead of clipping to the pants.
I considered getting a pair of Perry suspenders, but I wasn't sure they'd work for me.
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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by LowKey » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:28 pm

KJ4VOV wrote:
LowKey wrote:The same way I keep them up when I'm not carrying....suspenders.
Yeah, I've got three new pairs arriving today. We'll see how they work under the shirt.
I use suspenders that attach with buttons (BDU type in my case) rather than clip on suspenders.
As I prefer a cross draw set up (more time spent sitting or driving that anything else) i've been exploring a set up that would actually attach to the buttons on the waistline and to the off hand suspender strap.

Think of it as trying to approximate a tanker holster carried low, but with a more aggressive cant to the centerline.
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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by NT2C » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:13 pm

Okay, so the first test of suspenders under the Hawaiian shirt, holding up my shorts and EDC went pretty okay. I covered 3/4 mile on a little varied terrain without tightening the belt much at all (about what I might do without the weapon, maybe a notch less) and the shorts stayed up (had to stop about the 1/2 mile mark and tug a little, but not much) and I wasn't that uncomfortable. I did have sweat marks under the suspenders when I got home though, and I was feeling a lot warmer than I usually would, but that could just be the humidity today.

I'll try them for a week and see what happens.
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Post by ROCK6 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 5:23 am

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flybynight wrote:Have you tried wearing the suspenders over the t shirt, under the Hawaiian?
I do this quite a bit in the Middle-East.

Don't be dogmatic...what works, works.
I don't have the belly issue, but this is what I'm considering over here in A'Stan as well. It's more for support and comfort but a bit of a PITA if you have to take a #2. It's awkward having to dress as a "professional" while in a combat zone, but the belt weight adds up when you give Bat Man a run for the money compared to his bat-belt.

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Post by NT2C » Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:50 am

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LowKey wrote:
flybynight wrote:Have you tried wearing the suspenders over the t shirt, under the Hawaiian?
I do this quite a bit in the Middle-East.

Don't be dogmatic...what works, works.
I don't have the belly issue, but this is what I'm considering over here in A'Stan as well. It's more for support and comfort but a bit of a PITA if you have to take a #2. It's awkward having to dress as a "professional" while in a combat zone, but the belt weight adds up when you give Bat Man a run for the money compared to his bat-belt.

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So far it's working. The suspenders take enough of the weight that i can loosen the belt a couple notches.
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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by tedbeau » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:12 pm

What works really well for me is using Perry suspenders
They clip on to your belt and keep your pants up
They way I wear them is I wear a tee shirt tucked into my pants then I have my pants with a stiff gun belt (cabela’s Double Duty) the Perry suspenders clip onto the belt
I then wear a polo shirt or loose fitting tee shirt over everything including the gun and holster ( I use an IWB holster) i wear the outer shirt untucked

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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by NT2C » Tue Sep 24, 2019 7:56 pm

tedbeau wrote:
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What works really well for me is using Perry suspenders
They clip on to your belt and keep your pants up
They way I wear them is I wear a tee shirt tucked into my pants then I have my pants with a stiff gun belt (cabela’s Double Duty) the Perry suspenders clip onto the belt
I then wear a polo shirt or loose fitting tee shirt over everything including the gun and holster ( I use an IWB holster) i wear the outer shirt untucked
I'm still going with a very heavy duty saddle leather belt and full suspenders attached to the pants in the traditional way (allows free movement of the belt, unlike the Perry suspenders) so I can change holsters easily (I prefer leather OWB holsters with a 15 degree forward cant), over a tucked in t-shirt, topped with a Hawaiian shirt (unbuttoned or buttoned as needed) as seen here:

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Or topped with a denim or flannel shirt or light jacket as seasonally appropriate. Where none of those work my fallback is a small .380 in a pocket holster and a good supply of magazines in various pockets.
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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by moab » Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:09 pm

These are the best CC belts made. I've read a ton of reviews. And many many ccw's use this belt to carry. It also comes completely customized by yourself. Even down to how many extra stitch lengths run the length of the belt. That determines stiffness. Length and width is also customizable. And they come in metal buckles or plastic for plane use.

https://www.thewilderness.com/belts/eas ... ctor-belt/
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Post by MPMalloy » Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:50 pm

I've been wearing a 5-year postal bet since Jr. High. I got some suspensers from the Suspender Store. They clip to the belt loops which is not a good long-term solution, imo.

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Post by NT2C » Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:42 pm

moab wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:09 pm
These are the best CC belts made. I've read a ton of reviews. And many many ccw's use this belt to carry. It also comes completely customized by yourself. Even down to how many extra stitch lengths run the length of the belt. That determines stiffness. Length and width is also customizable. And they come in metal buckles or plastic for plane use.

https://www.thewilderness.com/belts/eas ... ctor-belt/
I had one of these and gave it away. I found it to not be stiff enough for my needs. It allowed my leather pancake holster to flop out away from my body, causing my weapon to print excessively. I much prefer my Amish made, 1/4" thick, stitched full-grain saddle leather belt to everything else I've tried.
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Post by moab » Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:25 pm

NT2C wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:42 pm
moab wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:09 pm
These are the best CC belts made. I've read a ton of reviews. And many many ccw's use this belt to carry. It also comes completely customized by yourself. Even down to how many extra stitch lengths run the length of the belt. That determines stiffness. Length and width is also customizable. And they come in metal buckles or plastic for plane use.

https://www.thewilderness.com/belts/eas ... ctor-belt/
I had one of these and gave it away. I found it to not be stiff enough for my needs. It allowed my leather pancake holster to flop out away from my body, causing my weapon to print excessively. I much prefer my Amish made, 1/4" thick, stitched full-grain saddle leather belt to everything else I've tried.
Where do you get your belts?
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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by NT2C » Thu Sep 26, 2019 11:09 pm

moab wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:25 pm
NT2C wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 5:42 pm
moab wrote:
Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:09 pm
These are the best CC belts made. I've read a ton of reviews. And many many ccw's use this belt to carry. It also comes completely customized by yourself. Even down to how many extra stitch lengths run the length of the belt. That determines stiffness. Length and width is also customizable. And they come in metal buckles or plastic for plane use.

https://www.thewilderness.com/belts/eas ... ctor-belt/
I had one of these and gave it away. I found it to not be stiff enough for my needs. It allowed my leather pancake holster to flop out away from my body, causing my weapon to print excessively. I much prefer my Amish made, 1/4" thick, stitched full-grain saddle leather belt to everything else I've tried.
Where do you get your belts?
That depends on which one you're asking about. In searching for the "right" belt for carrying my sidearm I went through a few of them. Some came from AMazon, some eBay, two from Propper, one from Sportsman's Guide, three from local stores, and two from Goodwill.

If you're asking about the one I finally settled on, it's here: https://www.ebay.com/itm/50WS-ST-1-1-2- ... 2749.l2649

Here's their regular site: Nohma Leather
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Re: So, how are you keeping your pants up when carrying?

Post by boskone » Fri Sep 27, 2019 8:45 pm

I have a "quick ship" (I'd just call it "rack", but whatever) belt from The Belt Man. Mine's got an internal stiffener.

It's been going strong for at least a decade with basic leather care: occasional cleaning, then once dry rub in some Obenauf's LP. I usually do my boots at the same time.

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Post by flybynight » Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:26 pm

Found on amazon. The solution to the belt problem or the answer to the unasked question

https://www.amazon.com/Alejandro-Giron- ... =hi&sr=1-3
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