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Re: US Army picks Sig 320

Post by Aikibiker » Mon Jan 30, 2017 8:52 am

raptor wrote:Is my math correct here? We are paying $1,178 per pistol acquired? I hope that includes a bunch of spare magazines, parts and such.

$580 million / 492,000 pistols = $1,178 each

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sig-p320-u-a ... 31061.html

Cabellas has them for $599 each retail.

Your math is good, but the numbers you are using are wrong. This is an indefinite delivery, indefinite amount contract. That 492,000 weapons is just the initial order (to be delivered over a number of years) and the $580 million is the initial buying budget, when the Army runs through that they renegotiate with Sig.

The number I saw was $207 per unit price including mags and spares, which explains how they beat Glock. Glock's cost on just a pistol is right around $200, and they cannot recoup cost by selling off the Army's old pistols like they do with police department weapons.
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Re: US Army picks Sig 320

Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:49 pm

So, I saw one of those 'You can't carry in here, even with a CHL! Neener-neener-boo-boo!' signs today and noticed for the first time consciously that the gun silhouette used is a Beretta 92 / M9 Pistol.

I wonder if we will start to see these signs with a silhouette of the SIG Sauer P320 / M17 Pistol.
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Re: US Army picks Sig 320

Post by JeeperCreeper » Wed Feb 08, 2017 7:45 pm

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:So, I saw one of those 'You can't carry in here, even with a CHL! Neener-neener-boo-boo!' signs today and noticed for the first time consciously that the gun silhouette used is a Beretta 92 / M9 Pistol.

I wonder if we will start to see these signs with a silhouette of the SIG Sauer P320 / M17 Pistol.
Funny... I always thought that meant that the establishment didn't like Beretta's... it wasn't explicit so I thought I was good to carry my Ruger... weird...
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Re: US Army picks Sig 320

Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:41 pm

JeeperCreeper wrote:
Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:So, I saw one of those 'You can't carry in here, even with a CHL! Neener-neener-boo-boo!' signs today and noticed for the first time consciously that the gun silhouette used is a Beretta 92 / M9 Pistol.

I wonder if we will start to see these signs with a silhouette of the SIG Sauer P320 / M17 Pistol.
Funny... I always thought that meant that the establishment didn't like Beretta's... it wasn't explicit so I thought I was good to carry my Ruger... weird...
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No, that's not what it meant. I'm glad you never got caught with your Ruger pewpew in what you thought was a Beretta no no place.
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Re: US Army picks Sig 320

Post by flybynight » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:28 pm

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:
JeeperCreeper wrote:
Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:So, I saw one of those 'You can't carry in here, even with a CHL! Neener-neener-boo-boo!' signs today and noticed for the first time consciously that the gun silhouette used is a Beretta 92 / M9 Pistol.

I wonder if we will start to see these signs with a silhouette of the SIG Sauer P320 / M17 Pistol.
Funny... I always thought that meant that the establishment didn't like Beretta's... it wasn't explicit so I thought I was good to carry my Ruger... weird...
:lol: :clap:

No, that's not what it meant. I'm glad you never got caught with your Ruger pewpew in what you thought was a Beretta no no place.
Are you guys sure? I always thought it meant if you own a pistol , the store didn't want your money. So I always spent it somewhere they did.
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Re: US Army picks Sig 320

Post by JeeperCreeper » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:29 pm

Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:
JeeperCreeper wrote:
Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:So, I saw one of those 'You can't carry in here, even with a CHL! Neener-neener-boo-boo!' signs today and noticed for the first time consciously that the gun silhouette used is a Beretta 92 / M9 Pistol.

I wonder if we will start to see these signs with a silhouette of the SIG Sauer P320 / M17 Pistol.
Funny... I always thought that meant that the establishment didn't like Beretta's... it wasn't explicit so I thought I was good to carry my Ruger... weird...
:lol: :clap:

No, that's not what it meant. I'm glad you never got caught with your Ruger pewpew in what you thought was a Beretta no no place.
Well the thing is, most places that I see the "no guns" sign, are private property establishments that either prefer no guns or have a sign for insurance/liability reasons. So there is no legal precedent nor consequence other than being asked to leave. At least that's in my state.

I'm not saying break the rules of an establishment as it is their property to make rules as they wish, but it's not like I can be arrested for accidentally carrying... unless I become belligerent and refuse to leave if asked... which I wouldn't do
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Re: US Army picks Sig 320

Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:34 pm

flybynight wrote:
Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:
JeeperCreeper wrote:
Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:So, I saw one of those 'You can't carry in here, even with a CHL! Neener-neener-boo-boo!' signs today and noticed for the first time consciously that the gun silhouette used is a Beretta 92 / M9 Pistol.

I wonder if we will start to see these signs with a silhouette of the SIG Sauer P320 / M17 Pistol.
Funny... I always thought that meant that the establishment didn't like Beretta's... it wasn't explicit so I thought I was good to carry my Ruger... weird...
:lol: :clap:

No, that's not what it meant. I'm glad you never got caught with your Ruger pewpew in what you thought was a Beretta no no place.
Are you guys sure? I always thought it meant if you own a pistol , the store didn't want your money. So I always spent it somewhere they did.
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Re: US Army picks Sig 320

Post by Hiroshima_Morphine » Fri Feb 10, 2017 3:42 pm

JeeperCreeper wrote:
Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:
JeeperCreeper wrote:
Hiroshima_Morphine wrote:So, I saw one of those 'You can't carry in here, even with a CHL! Neener-neener-boo-boo!' signs today and noticed for the first time consciously that the gun silhouette used is a Beretta 92 / M9 Pistol.

I wonder if we will start to see these signs with a silhouette of the SIG Sauer P320 / M17 Pistol.
Funny... I always thought that meant that the establishment didn't like Beretta's... it wasn't explicit so I thought I was good to carry my Ruger... weird...
:lol: :clap:

No, that's not what it meant. I'm glad you never got caught with your Ruger pewpew in what you thought was a Beretta no no place.
Well the thing is, most places that I see the "no guns" sign, are private property establishments that either prefer no guns or have a sign for insurance/liability reasons. So there is no legal precedent nor consequence other than being asked to leave. At least that's in my state.

I'm not saying break the rules of an establishment as it is their property to make rules as they wish, but it's not like I can be arrested for accidentally carrying... unless I become belligerent and refuse to leave if asked... which I wouldn't do
In OK it is against the law to carry in (and I paraphrase), [casinos, bars, any government building (local, state of fed) or any where else there is a sign telling you not to]

ETA: by 'against the law', I mean a misdemeanor that is punishable by fine and/or loss of you CHL for any period the judge determines.

I don't go to casinos and bars, if a company [like wannamurder, I mean what-a-burger] says I can't carry~ they don't get my money.

Government Buildings w/ security check ins: it goes in the console of the car, no other choice really.

Government Buildings w/o security or clients offices with the 'no-no' sign: we're not talking about that.

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Re: US Army picks Sig 320

Post by flybynight » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:14 pm

Your personal safety is your responsibility- your compliance with the law is also your responsibility.[/

This ... pretty much. I don't go to anyplace that either don't allow personal carry ( even if I happen to not be carrying. In fact especially if I'm not ) or doesn't have security/police presence that is trustworthy.
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Re: US Army picks Sig 320

Post by Evan the Diplomat » Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:39 pm

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US Army picks Sig 320

Post by Low_Speed » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:18 pm

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:Only thought I have is I wonder how long it'll be before we start seeing surplus M9's hitting market.

Well, that and why did the Army choose the 320 instead of the Glock 17 or 19 like some of the other branches of the US military ?
they didn't chose it because Glock didn't meet the requirements. Not to mention that that The P320 is a much better pistol. Glock has been resting on their laurels while other manufacturers have surpassed them in innovations.


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Re: US Army picks Sig 320

Post by jor-el » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:55 pm

Low_Speed wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:Only thought I have is I wonder how long it'll be before we start seeing surplus M9's hitting market.

Well, that and why did the Army choose the 320 instead of the Glock 17 or 19 like some of the other branches of the US military ?
they didn't chose it because Glock didn't meet they requirements. Not to mention that that The P320 is a much better pistol. Glock has been resting on their laurels while other manufacturers have surpassed them in innovations.


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The Army wanted a core trigger unit/frame skeleton with replaceable/modular grips. A 320 an start as a compact concealable with a snub barrel and with slide and grip kits become a full tactical pistol with extended magazines and long slides. The Glock candidate was a 17 with an optional 19 slide.
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Re: US Army picks Sig 320

Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:41 pm

jor-el wrote:
Low_Speed wrote:
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:Only thought I have is I wonder how long it'll be before we start seeing surplus M9's hitting market.

Well, that and why did the Army choose the 320 instead of the Glock 17 or 19 like some of the other branches of the US military ?
they didn't chose it because Glock didn't meet they requirements. Not to mention that that The P320 is a much better pistol. Glock has been resting on their laurels while other manufacturers have surpassed them in innovations.


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The Army wanted a core trigger unit/frame skeleton with replaceable/modular grips. A 320 an start as a compact concealable with a snub barrel and with slide and grip kits become a full tactical pistol with extended magazines and long slides. The Glock candidate was a 17 with an optional 19 slide.
Thanks for the info, Jor-el.

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