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Post by FreuderLocks » Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:27 am

Hi all,

Long time no see friends! Been busy at the bike shop and tons of riding. The time has finally come. I'm fairly tired of carrying a full size 1911, nothing bad about it other than I'm 5'7 and weigh 130lbs lol. For winter its alright but summer is a nightmare lol.

Ive narrowed my search down considerably, mostly to the g36, XDs, or an officer size 1911, which is what I desire most. Caliber should be .45acp for practicality and further cost effectiveness, unless I can be steered in a new direction.

Herein lies my dilemma. I can't seem to find a reasonably priced officer or commander 1911. Ive looked at Springfield, Para, Dan Wesson/cz and I can't seem to find something in my price range (less than $750). Have I set my sights too low? Any advice would be appreciated. Trying to stay away from used gins though.

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Post by RickOShea » Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:16 am

How about the Springfield "Range Officer Compact"?......4" barrel, but with an Officer sized frame.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/prod ... 2+6RD+45BL

http://www.springfield-armory.com/produ ... ct-45-acp/
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Post by Shiloh » Thu Aug 20, 2015 10:11 am

I spent a little time with the XDs. It was a little small for my hands but I've got freakishly long fingers as well, soooo :lol: The trigger is absolutely fantastic though. Clean take-up, and it breaks like glass. I much prefer the Springfield sights over glock as well, but that's just IMO.
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Post by TheLastOne » Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:59 pm

Check out a sig 220 carry.

I'd also recommend the g30 over the g36 for capacity.
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Post by quazi » Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:18 pm

My cousin has an XDs in .45 acp. It seems to work well, but the recoil is pretty harsh. Of course that will probably be the case for any tiny polymer .45.

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Post by ultra magnus » Thu Aug 20, 2015 8:39 pm

If you are dead set on a 45, xds. Springfield ro compact, or ruger sr1911lw would work and be in your range.

That said, get a 9mm. Ammo is half the price, modern top shelf 9 is just as effective for self defense, you get more rounds on board and faster follow up shots. The smith m&p shield is hard to beat. Under $400, proven reliability, plenty of accesories, great size for carry, while still being large enough to shoot well.

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Post by KGBrick » Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:09 pm

FreuderLocks wrote:Caliber should be .45acp for practicality and further cost effectiveness, unless I can be steered in a new direction.
ultra magnus wrote:That said, get a 9mm. Ammo is half the price, modern top shelf 9 is just as effective for self defense, you get more rounds on board and faster follow up shots.
These bits are important, I think. Unless .45 acp is important to you for sentimental reasons or something, you should look into 9mm. If you don't feel you need more rounds you can get a smaller pistol. There are a lot of good options out there these days.

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Post by FreuderLocks » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:54 am

KGBrick wrote:
FreuderLocks wrote:Caliber should be .45acp for practicality and further cost effectiveness, unless I can be steered in a new direction.
ultra magnus wrote:That said, get a 9mm. Ammo is half the price, modern top shelf 9 is just as effective for self defense, you get more rounds on board and faster follow up shots.
These bits are important, I think. Unless .45 acp is important to you for sentimental reasons or something, you should look into 9mm. If you don't feel you need more rounds you can get a smaller pistol. There are a lot of good options out there these days.
Thanks guys, lots of good suggestions here.

.45 is more of a keeping , my sanity thing. Ive downsized in a huge way in the last few years, basically down to 4 calibers that do not include 9mm at this point, although I've considered a Springfield EMP in the former as well as .40 as well.

The s&w shield is enticing as well, especially given the price tag.

Ive had a few xd/m models in the past, which is why the xds is so alluring, also the g36 is in that boat as well.

With all of the above in perspective, I think the field has widened as opposed to narrowing lol. The EMP is certainly on the table, I would say in first or second place, cost is a factor on that one, but id certainly rock that in 9mm (I can't believe I said that, its only a 1911 if its .45 I remember having said in the past.) again tied for first or second would be a Springfield range officer compact or range officer champion compact as well.

I'll probably sell a few things I've got around to make this work with what I want rather than what I need though.

Any further advice is much appreciated, I feel kind stuck.

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Post by Shiloh » Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:13 am

Just something to mention, certain calibers aren't for everybody. For example, you hand me a .40 or .45 and I can do pretty well. Can't hit the broad side of a barn with 9. It's just a lot of personal preference, at least that's what I think. 9mm is too snappy for me, and no matter how I change my grip the muzzle flips with every shot. .45 is far easier for me to control and I can get on target faster.

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Post by NapalmMan67 » Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:40 am

TheLastOne wrote: I'd also recommend the g30 over the g36 for capacity.

My opinion, FWIW is this. I love my G30, carry it daily in a DeSantis Mini Scabbard. Accurate enough at 21' down to bad breath distances to do what I would hope I never need to. Carry with one spare mag and you have 27 rounds on board. My preference for carry is Federal 230gr. HST.


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Post by Jeriah » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:06 am

FreuderLocks wrote:
KGBrick wrote:
FreuderLocks wrote:Caliber should be .45acp for practicality and further cost effectiveness, unless I can be steered in a new direction.
ultra magnus wrote:That said, get a 9mm. Ammo is half the price, modern top shelf 9 is just as effective for self defense, you get more rounds on board and faster follow up shots.
These bits are important, I think. Unless .45 acp is important to you for sentimental reasons or something, you should look into 9mm. If you don't feel you need more rounds you can get a smaller pistol. There are a lot of good options out there these days.
Thanks guys, lots of good suggestions here.

.45 is more of a keeping , my sanity thing. Ive downsized in a huge way in the last few years, basically down to 4 calibers that do not include 9mm at this point, although I've considered a Springfield EMP in the former as well as .40 as well.
While I understand the appeal theoretically of minimizing the number of calibers in one's arsenal, I wouldn't obsess about it. You don't necessarily need to stack pallets and pallets of every caliber you own. I've got a .30-30 because it was my dad's, a couple of 7.62x54R Mosins for LOLZ, and even a 16 gauge shotgun my mom's boyfriend gave me. None of them are calibers I worry about stocking deep for.

Realistically, your CCW pistol isn't a PAW sidearm unless you want it to be. You could continue to stock for and train with your full-sized 1911 in .45, while carrying a 9mm CCW. You can buy a box of ammo or two to train with every time you hit the range, and keep a couple of mags loaded with carry ammo (Gold Dots or Hydra Shocks), and that's it.

The above-cited arguments for 9mm are rock solid. Although I have carry guns in both 9mm and .45ACP, 9mm is by far the most logical choice. And while I own other pistols, I have to admit, Glocks are so reliable they're boring. For this reason, it is my opinion that the baseline starting choices for carry pistols should be 9mm Glocks. Not that these are the only option, but that if you're going to carry anything else, you should have a good reason.

Depending on how deep you want to conceal, you've got the G19, the G26, and the G43. Personally I tend towards extremes, so I don't think about the G26 often. The 19 and the 43 are both on my radar, though. In fact, I think they'd be great companion guns: 19 for winter etc., 43 for summer and as backup to the 19. The 26 might be the best of both worlds, my brain just doesn't tend to work that way.

Again, I'm not a vehemently rabid Glock fanboy. I love my Sig and sometimes I carry it. But I do think they are the most rational starting point for the thought process. And 9mm just plain makes sense. So that's my recommendation.
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Post by FreuderLocks » Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:35 am

Jeriah wrote:
FreuderLocks wrote:
KGBrick wrote:
FreuderLocks wrote:Caliber should be .45acp for practicality and further cost effectiveness, unless I can be steered in a new direction.
ultra magnus wrote:That said, get a 9mm. Ammo is half the price, modern top shelf 9 is just as effective for self defense, you get more rounds on board and faster follow up shots.
These bits are important, I think. Unless .45 acp is important to you for sentimental reasons or something, you should look into 9mm. If you don't feel you need more rounds you can get a smaller pistol. There are a lot of good options out there these days.
Thanks guys, lots of good suggestions here.

.45 is more of a keeping , my sanity thing. Ive downsized in a huge way in the last few years, basically down to 4 calibers that do not include 9mm at this point, although I've considered a Springfield EMP in the former as well as .40 as well.
While I understand the appeal theoretically of minimizing the number of calibers in one's arsenal, I wouldn't obsess about it. You don't necessarily need to stack pallets and pallets of every caliber you own. I've got a .30-30 because it was my dad's, a couple of 7.62x54R Mosins for LOLZ, and even a 16 gauge shotgun my mom's boyfriend gave me. None of them are calibers I worry about stocking deep for.

Realistically, your CCW pistol isn't a PAW sidearm unless you want it to be. You could continue to stock for and train with your full-sized 1911 in .45, while carrying a 9mm CCW. You can buy a box of ammo or two to train with every time you hit the range, and keep a couple of mags loaded with carry ammo (Gold Dots or Hydra Shocks), and that's it.

The above-cited arguments for 9mm are rock solid. Although I have carry guns in both 9mm and .45ACP, 9mm is by far the most logical choice. And while I own other pistols, I have to admit, Glocks are so reliable they're boring. For this reason, it is my opinion that the baseline starting choices for carry pistols should be 9mm Glocks. Not that these are the only option, but that if you're going to carry anything else, you should have a good reason.

Depending on how deep you want to conceal, you've got the G19, the G26, and the G43. Personally I tend towards extremes, so I don't think about the G26 often. The 19 and the 43 are both on my radar, though. In fact, I think they'd be great companion guns: 19 for winter etc., 43 for summer and as backup to the 19. The 26 might be the best of both worlds, my brain just doesn't tend to work that way.

Again, I'm not a vehemently rabid Glock fanboy. I love my Sig and sometimes I carry it. But I do think they are the most rational starting point for the thought process. And 9mm just plain makes sense. So that's my recommendation.
Well, I went ahead and did the thing someone in my position should do. I went and fondled and fired a few glocks at a friends range. I learned something I have known for a long time, as much as I want them to, as much as I have tried, glocks don't work for me ergonomically and there is nothing I can do about that. I was there for a while and did not get to try a smith and Wesson shield although I want to.

This mew purchase isn't about deeply concealing a pistol lol. My current carry piece is a full size 1911, I'm small, 5'6 135lbs. Its about concealing at all, everything sticks off of me like a tree limb, which brings me back to the 1911 platform again.

I'm very seriously considering an EMP in 9mm, my biggest barrier is cost at this point. Ive looked and failed to find something similar in the ~$700is, although I could make a concession for and EMP.

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Post by SRO1911 » Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:48 am

I am first and foremost a 1911 guy. They just fit "right" for me.
That being said, my edc is an xds 45. It points like a 1911, albeit with a very non 1911 trigger. With the 5 rd mag it disappears in a Duluth cargo pocket, it's light enough to put in cargo charts and not need a belt and it goes bang every time.
My only complaint is that the 7 rd extended mags cost more than my full size xd 45 tactical mags. I am strongly considering switching to the xd - mod 2, same skide, same trigger, .20 inches thicker in the grip and uses standard xd double stack mags.

For an affordable compact 1911, take a look at citadel. They use armscor frames and slides...just like springfield, and STI, and almost everyone else in the economy game. Their fit and finish varies from good to excellent with most in the vg realm.

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Post by DarkPhoenix » Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:35 pm

If you are looking to stick with the 1911 platform, give Rock Island Armory a look. Very cost effective and great 1911s. I've had the Compact in 45 and the full size double stack once you get the feed ramp polished up and tuned, they feed anything. Their 9mms are nice as well. Did I mention they were cost effective? You can get a nicely loaded one for under $600. If you want to go with something different, look at the CZs. Again, cost effective, ergonomic, and accurate as well. I picked up my P-07 for about $475. Its almost identical in size to a G19 and can be carried cocked and locked like a 1911.

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Post by FreuderLocks » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:14 am

Like I said. I'm open to ideas but would rather buy a 1911 again. I'm familiar with the CZ pistols, we carried them when I worked at the LGS, solid product.

I never knew that citadel, RIA and Springfield where made on the same blanks, is that correct?

I have not handled an armscore or RIA in a while, I do recall that they make a great product though, never saw one come back at least. While the EMP is still high on my list, I could buy TWO armscore/ria 1911s for the price lol, assuming reliability is present id probably even enjoy it too.

Thanks for the (more) information guys. The search continues. I'd be interested to hear from other RIA/Armscore owners about their experiences. Is there anything glaring or very important to pay attention to when purchasing these pistols? Its nice to see that they have a lifetime warranty too, which could come in handy eventually.

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M&P45c or Ruger 1911 Commander
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Post by Stercutus » Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:20 pm

Tough to go wrong with the M&P45c.

I have not seen the Ruger for under $750
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Post by Shiloh » Sat Sep 05, 2015 6:28 pm

Stercutus wrote:Tough to go wrong with the M&P45c.

I have not seen the Ruger for under $750
I carry the .45c on a daily basis with an Alien Gear holster and have zero complaints. It looks big at first but once you start carrying one, it's a great little piece. Probably one of the most controlable .45's I've ever shot too.
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Post by Smash05 » Sun Sep 06, 2015 1:04 pm

Stercutus wrote:Tough to go wrong with the M&P45c.

I have not seen the Ruger for under $750
Around here the LGS have them at 699 usually.
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Post by Kutter_0311 » Mon Sep 07, 2015 12:25 pm

I'd like to start by pointing out that, when I bought my first pistol, I had just enough experience with the M9 to know that I fucking hated it. My buddies had 1911's, so I shot them a bit, and liked it. I bought a few of my own, shot the crap out of them, and was very happy. I tried someone's G17, and declared it almost as bad as the M9.

Fast forward a few years, and parameters have changed. My life had changed, and what I needed from a gun had changed. I was now so busy changing diapers that I couldn't keep my AR clean, and it became unreliable. My cheap AK's kept rockin, tho, so I went that route. My 1911's were solid, but not as solid as I needed them to be. Mags were becoming more expensive, ammo was hard to find pretty regularly, and the pistols were just kinda heavy considering the 7rd capacity. Fortunately, I had found ZS, and an opportunity to get some great training (which I was waaay behind on, see 'kids') with MilCopp, and I used the class as justification to strip down and revamp my motley assemblage of small arms into something that made more sense. Overall, the best advice is summed up in Jeriah's statement.
Jeriah wrote:...while I own other pistols, I have to admit, Glocks are so reliable they're boring. For this reason, it is my opinion that the baseline starting choices for carry pistols should be 9mm Glocks. Not that these are the only option, but that if you're going to carry anything else, you should have a good reason.
Now, I don't have any 9mm Glocks. I opted for a pair of .40's, which I still intend to get 9mm barrels and mags for, so then I will have 9mm Glocks. But, my priority was to have high-performance sustainable combat pistols for carry and defense. I found a pair of G35's and snatched them up. I found shooting my G35's and 1911's felt the same, though I am not certain if this is because of anything physical, or if I had inadvertently opened my mind to shifting gears. It has long been said that 'where there is a will, there is a way' but I have also been around long enough to see the inverse, 'where there is a won't, there is an excuse.'

So, my advice comes down to this: Pick a Glock that fills the parameters, buy the stupid thing, then train with it.

If you train with it here and there over the next year, and you just hate it, put it on Gunbroker. You won't be out much.

I have had great results with the G42, which cost me $400. If you can't stand .380, the G43 is 9mm. If you can't let go of .45, I suggest the G30S(lim), which has the slim G36 slide on the G30 frame(which accepts higher capacity, more common G21 mags commonly used in LE duty sidearms). As much as I wanted a G36, I was talked out of it by others who had them. Not a gun they hated, just a niche better filled by the G30, as experience bore out.
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Post by FreuderLocks » Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:58 am

Kutter_0311 wrote:I'd like to start by pointing out that, when I bought my first pistol, I had just enough experience with the M9 to know that I fucking hated it. My buddies had 1911's, so I shot them a bit, and liked it. I bought a few of my own, shot the crap out of them, and was very happy. I tried someone's G17, and declared it almost as bad as the M9.

Fast forward a few years, and parameters have changed. My life had changed, and what I needed from a gun had changed. I was now so busy changing diapers that I couldn't keep my AR clean, and it became unreliable. My cheap AK's kept rockin, tho, so I went that route. My 1911's were solid, but not as solid as I needed them to be. Mags were becoming more expensive, ammo was hard to find pretty regularly, and the pistols were just kinda heavy considering the 7rd capacity. Fortunately, I had found ZS, and an opportunity to get some great training (which I was waaay behind on, see 'kids') with MilCopp, and I used the class as justification to strip down and revamp my motley assemblage of small arms into something that made more sense. Overall, the best advice is summed up in Jeriah's statement.
Jeriah wrote:...while I own other pistols, I have to admit, Glocks are so reliable they're boring. For this reason, it is my opinion that the baseline starting choices for carry pistols should be 9mm Glocks. Not that these are the only option, but that if you're going to carry anything else, you should have a good reason.
Now, I don't have any 9mm Glocks. I opted for a pair of .40's, which I still intend to get 9mm barrels and mags for, so then I will have 9mm Glocks. But, my priority was to have high-performance sustainable combat pistols for carry and defense. I found a pair of G35's and snatched them up. I found shooting my G35's and 1911's felt the same, though I am not certain if this is because of anything physical, or if I had inadvertently opened my mind to shifting gears. It has long been said that 'where there is a will, there is a way' but I have also been around long enough to see the inverse, 'where there is a won't, there is an excuse.'

So, my advice comes down to this: Pick a Glock that fills the parameters, buy the stupid thing, then train with it.

If you train with it here and there over the next year, and you just hate it, put it on Gunbroker. You won't be out much.

I have had great results with the G42, which cost me $400. If you can't stand .380, the G43 is 9mm. If you can't let go of .45, I suggest the G30S(lim), which has the slim G36 slide on the G30 frame(which accepts higher capacity, more common G21 mags commonly used in LE duty sidearms). As much as I wanted a G36, I was talked out of it by others who had them. Not a gun they hated, just a niche better filled by the G30, as experience bore out.

thanks sir, props for a well written post for sure.

Ive done some homework, fiddling with note paper, cleaning and inspection of guns and a conclusion of sorts has been reached. I'm hanging onto my 1911, but I'm not buying another one, instead I'm buying two.
Going to go with the XDS in 9mm for a carry gun. Ive owned an xdm, it worked, I could hit everything I saw with it, boring reliability Yoda yada lol. autocorrect.
During my research I realized I really wanted to replace my pointlessly sold XDM, so I'm going to pick up an xd mod2 service 9mm, can't help it, plus, 2 xd pistols still cost less than a springfiield EMP...
My trusted and much loved 1911 has made plans to go off to my gunsmith to me molested really hard, before and after pics when its done.


Thanks again for the help guys, it has given me much food for thought.

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Post by FreuderLocks » Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:26 pm

Just to end this thread on a note.

I went ahead and purchased a new XDS 3.3 9mm today. As well as a XD mod 2 service (since I didn't buy an emp lol, 2/1). I put in some range time, I'll have a write up and some pics in a follow up thread.

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