The All Purpose AK Thread

[Doctorr Fabulous]

We got reviews of any of the European optics stashed around here? POSPs and PO 3.5's have ben on my mind of late. Everyone says "might as well get an american optic" but a fixed or variable power combat scope for less than $300 beats the hell out of a non-magnified RDS for $200 or something with magnification for upwards of $500.

[AKFTW]

We got reviews of any of the European optics stashed around here? POSPs and PO 3.5's have ben on my mind of late. Everyone says "might as well get an american optic" but a fixed or variable power combat scope for less than $300 beats the hell out of a non-magnified RDS for $200 or something with magnification for upwards of $500.

Check the AK Forum, great info on all sorts of European/Combloc optics there.

[landser]

Tex -zen did a bunch of reviews on Akforum. I have a pso on my psl I can say that if you have a cammed one they work great at BDC. problem with maginifaction is narrowing your feild of veiw and it always seems screwy to me anyway to keep both eyes open and having one at something greater than 4x. I dont realy see the pactical use of anything above say 6x maybe on a 5.45 just because of range limitations even then i think a 4x woulld usualy suffice. The Posp's are realy made more for the 7.62x54 cartridge dmr guns or vepr's in .308. I could put a 12x posp or 8x posp and see a target with it but can you hit it with a 74 or 47 if its 600 yards out is realy the question maybe you could get some good supression going.
4X is standard on the psl by the way if that tells you anything.

[areswithguns]

Perhaps this is advice leading in the opposite direction but if it was me I would throw a aimpoint on the thing and call it good. Get the 2moa version. Not precise but neither is a akm.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Perhaps this is advice leading in the opposite direction but if it was me I would throw a aimpoint on the thing and call it good. Get the 2moa version. Not precise but neither is a akm.

I have 2 R1's. I don't like having to forward mount them on an AK, and they have no magnification. Also, my AK is precise enough (or should be, anyway) to rate a solid magnified optic.

[Dave_M]

We got reviews of any of the European optics stashed around here? POSPs and PO 3.5's have ben on my mind of late. Everyone says "might as well get an american optic" but a fixed or variable power combat scope for less than $300 beats the hell out of a non-magnified RDS for $200 or something with magnification for upwards of $500.

It beats them in price. Russian optics are decades behind their Western counter-parts.

[areswithguns]

Man I ain't doubting your rifle but aside from building them at my home. I have seen a akm with polished chamber, properly head spaced and I forget what else using hornady match ammo and still shoot like shit at a 300 yard match. He was lucky to hit the 8 ring on a standard cmp 300 yard target.

I certainly can see your point on how the forward mounting seems odd and the lack of magnification. Its just the receivers are so flimsy ( even the nodakspud ) which are top of the line, I would hate to rely on a optic for a situation that could mean life or death. Not just the inherent accuracy of the rifle but that receiver getting warm is surly going to shift your zero. Idk it just seems wrong lol. But to each there own and I really do wish you the best of luck fixing up your rifle and I hope it works flawlessly.

[Kutter_0311]

How do you adjust that front sight?

[JTNieman]

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How do you adjust that front sight?

https://www.venomtactical.com/shop/gas- ... i8gklf44i2

The front sight is adjustable for windage with a simple screw driver. For elevation the sight post is left purposly long so that you can zero your rifle and then use the rear sight as normal.

https://www.venomtactical.com/shop/images/DSC_9346a.jpg

Looks like you adjust the front sight post like most others of it's kind.

[RickOShea]

How do you adjust that front sight?

The post is mounted on the edge of a slotted-screw, as you put a screw-driver down thru the top and twist it in either direction, the post swings back-&-forth to the left or right.

The post is extra tall, and you have to file it down to get your zero. I had the rear set at 400 meters to get POA/POI at 50 meters when I did the function check.

[landser]

We got reviews of any of the European optics stashed around here? POSPs and PO 3.5's have ben on my mind of late. Everyone says "might as well get an american optic" but a fixed or variable power combat scope for less than $300 beats the hell out of a non-magnified RDS for $200 or something with magnification for upwards of $500.

It beats them in price. Russian optics are decades behind their Western counter-parts.

Most optics on the market are from Belyorussia and are behind , the PSO and PSOP series cammed however were even ahead of there time when they first apeard in the 70s. Now they are just a decent scope with a cam. Many russian optics often seem inferior because they are mounted high and dont offer a cheekweld there is a reason for this ZSH-I masks you cant get a cheek weld with the face plate down on a 23 pound titanium or steel masked helmet with either a slot of bullet proof window. The Obzur And Rakurs are like this, very high. The Obzur has an inverse sight but is cammed and has built in range finding.

However Alpha, Vympl, MVD, and others actualy use a lot of eotechs and aimpoints and there are some new generation russian scopes we do not have access to at all.

Alpha

Alpha

Alpha

I think this is MVD or OMOH, maybe Sobr group

MVD weapons

[AKFTW]

The post is extra tall, and you have to file it down to get your zero.

aaaand that's why I'm not a fan of the Bolton Gas Block

[squinty]

Gotta put on some white model paint or nail polish even, first, otherwise the glow stuff won't work well, it needs a light colored surface as the paint itself is translucent. I HIGHLY recommend Testors model paint.

I have an assload of acrylics. Would that work just as well?

Acrylics are not water-resistant, apparently. I have no idea if it would work, all I know is the Testors stuff will stay on there for good unless you bathe your rifle in brake-cleaner.

I could also ghetto-homie it with liquid paper.

I guess part of the tests will just be water resistance. However, if the glow paint is water resistant, wouldn't the three or so layers of that protect the acrylics underneath? I barely know anything about the actual composition of paints. I can paint stuff "okay," but when it comes to the get-down nitty gritty, I'm pretty slow.

Something like this?
http://www.esslinger.com/luminova-green ... t-kit.aspx

[AKFTW]

Something like this?
http://www.esslinger.com/luminova-green ... t-kit.aspx

Sure, if you want to spend 5x the money for the same thing. The Glow-Inc stuff works better and is much easier to use. Some clear nail polish can be used to seal it if you want. But just buy the Testors paint, really.

[RickOShea]

aaaand that's why I'm not a fan of the Bolton Gas Block

You lack confidence and/or ability to use a file?

[AKFTW]

aaaand that's why I'm not a fan of the Bolton Gas Block

You lack confidence and/or ability to use a file?

You can't raise the front sight post, you can only lower it. Sure, you might only need to zero your rifle once if you only use one type of ammo and never change your furniture or muzzle devices ever again, but IMO that's a design flaw they should have thought out better.

[ultra magnus]

Something like this?
http://www.esslinger.com/luminova-green ... t-kit.aspx

Sure, if you want to spend 5x the money for the same thing. The Glow-Inc stuff works better and is much easier to use. Some clear nail polish can be used to seal it if you want. But just buy the Testors paint, really.

I just use nail polish all around and it's great. Get they make extra tough white nail polish and glow in the dark nail polish. Cheap, available at Walmart and has it's own application brush.

[RickOShea]

aaaand that's why I'm not a fan of the Bolton Gas Block

You lack confidence and/or ability to use a file?

You can't raise the front sight post, you can only lower it. Sure, you might only need to zero your rifle once if you only use one type of ammo and never change your furniture or muzzle devices ever again, but IMO that's a design flaw they should have thought out better.

There's plenty of design flaws in the AK. I can live with this one as well.

And besides, it's just a reversal of the modern irons on the AR platform: One end you adjust for elevation, the other end you adjust for windage.

[AKFTW]

Whatever maintains the buoyancy of your vessel, o comrade It is a nice looking rifle for sure!

[Polley]

Man I ain't doubting your rifle but aside from building them at my home. I have seen a akm with polished chamber, properly head spaced and I forget what else using hornady match ammo and still shoot like shit at a 300 yard match. He was lucky to hit the 8 ring on a standard cmp 300 yard target.

Not sure what the size of a CMP target is, but I can easily hit clay pigeons at ~75m with iron sights using a WASR and Golden Tiger FMJ. The only "work" my rifle has had done to it is a muzzle nut to replace the brake, electrical tape on the pistol grip to thicken it, and I took a file to the magazine well so metal magazines would fit.

I certainly can see your point on how the forward mounting seems odd and the lack of magnification. Its just the receivers are so flimsy ( even the nodakspud ) which are top of the line, I would hate to rely on a optic for a situation that could mean life or death. Not just the inherent accuracy of the rifle but that receiver getting warm is surly going to shift your zero. Idk it just seems wrong lol. But to each there own and I really do wish you the best of luck fixing up your rifle and I hope it works flawlessly.

I've put many rounds through an AK in one sitting and have never experienced a hot receiver. Pretty much everything in front of the receiver gets hot, but not the receiver itself -- at least in my experiences. An Ultimak also sits pretty steady since it secures itself onto the barrel with two (I'll call them) 'clamps.' I think the no-zoom red-dot on the gas tube is a good idea if you're wanting to co-witness in the event of an optic failure, though. I also like the fact that a 1x optic lets you shoot with both eyes open and it just superimposes the red dot over whatever it is you're looking at: put the dot on it, pull the trigger. With both eyes open, my field of view isn't changed, nor are my peripherals. However, I do also run a fixed 4x slide-on scope (slide on rail with a Simmons scope, I think) when I deer hunt, so I completely understand why you would want a magnified optic: it really helps you be more accurate at longer ranges.

That being said, I always wondered what it would be like to run both an Ultimak with an AimPoint Micro and a magnified optic that sits high on the slide-on rail... You could switch between red-dot and magnified just by moving your head up or down a couple of inches, I would assume. It'd also be bulky and obstruct your vision when using the red dot/irons, but hey: still looks cool at the range, eh?


EDIT: So, this acrylic paint will scratch off with a toothpick and, since the dots are so small, it will remove the entire dot instead of just parts of it. However, this is with a very small, but large (if that made sense) force being applied: I don't think a random bit of brush sliding over it would damage it. Regardless, I'm asking the girlfriend if a clear, highly scratch-resistant nail polish exists. If so, I am sure I'll buy some of it (and tell the cashier that I feel pretty). The Glow Inc. stuff is already on its way. Granted, these night sights will probably only be used for this summer and maybe deer season next year, I don't need to go all-out on price and quality just yet. Post college and such, however, I will probably advance to model paint and such for best results... before upgrading to an even more visible AimPoint Micro for that Ultimak rail...

[Dave_M]

And besides, it's just a reversal of the modern irons on the AR platform: One end you adjust for elevation, the other end you adjust for windage.

Reversal?

Ummm, you don't have to file shit on an AR.

Also, elevation can be adjusted on both the front sight and the rear sight on an AR--without the use of a file.

Regardless, the FSB would be out for me anyhow.

[AKFTW]

...just sayin'

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Man I ain't doubting your rifle but aside from building them at my home. I have seen a akm with polished chamber, properly head spaced and I forget what else using hornady match ammo and still shoot like shit at a 300 yard match. He was lucky to hit the 8 ring on a standard cmp 300 yard target.

I certainly can see your point on how the forward mounting seems odd and the lack of magnification. Its just the receivers are so flimsy ( even the nodakspud ) which are top of the line, I would hate to rely on a optic for a situation that could mean life or death. Not just the inherent accuracy of the rifle but that receiver getting warm is surly going to shift your zero. Idk it just seems wrong lol. But to each there own and I really do wish you the best of luck fixing up your rifle and I hope it works flawlessly.

Maybe the problem was that you assumed I have an AKM receiver. VEPR K with an RPK receiver.

Dave: All I desire is what the Rusky sights are offering. Multiple reticles? IDGAF. 3 kinds of illumination, including night-vision capable? IDGAF. Etched reticle with BDC formulated for my caliber, optional AA powered illumination, fixed or varible zoom, and etched in range-estimation device? Yes, please. Now, who offers the features I wanted? It's either the Ruskies for $600 or less dependign on features, or it's an ACOG for $1000-ish. Maybe a Triji variable zoom scope, but most of those run in excess of $800 and may or may not have the above features.

I'd pay $600 or more for an American version if it had the etched reticle, AA powered illum, range-finder, and BDC with a 2, 3, or 4x fixed magnification, or anythign along the lines of 1-4 or 2.5-5 varible, but nobodymakes one that has been reviewed and deemed adequate for hard use aside from the ACOG.

[landser]

Man I ain't doubting your rifle but aside from building them at my home. I have seen a akm with polished chamber, properly head spaced and I forget what else using hornady match ammo and still shoot like shit at a 300 yard match. He was lucky to hit the 8 ring on a standard cmp 300 yard target.

I certainly can see your point on how the forward mounting seems odd and the lack of magnification. Its just the receivers are so flimsy ( even the nodakspud ) which are top of the line, I would hate to rely on a optic for a situation that could mean life or death. Not just the inherent accuracy of the rifle but that receiver getting warm is surly going to shift your zero. Idk it just seems wrong lol. But to each there own and I really do wish you the best of luck fixing up your rifle and I hope it works flawlessly.

Maybe the problem was that you assumed I have an AKM receiver. VEPR K with an RPK receiver.

Dave: All I desire is what the Rusky sights are offering. Multiple reticles? IDGAF. 3 kinds of illumination, including night-vision capable? IDGAF. Etched reticle with BDC formulated for my caliber, optional AA powered illumination, fixed or varible zoom, and etched in range-estimation device? Yes, please. Now, who offers the features I wanted? It's either the Ruskies for $600 or less dependign on features, or it's an ACOG for $1000-ish. Maybe a Triji variable zoom scope, but most of those run in excess of $800 and may or may not have the above features.

I'd pay $600 or more for an American version if it had the etched reticle, AA powered illum, range-finder, and BDC with a 2, 3, or 4x fixed magnification, or anythign along the lines of 1-4 or 2.5-5 varible, but nobodymakes one that has been reviewed and deemed adequate for hard use aside from the ACOG.

I didnt realize texas-zen now has his own website but aparently he does Doc this one is for you!

1P63OBZUR
http://russianoptics.net/Obzor.html
1P76 Rakurs http://russianoptics.net/Rakurs.html
what you might like is the Kashtan
http://russianoptics.net/1P78Kashtan.html

I suggest you read the whole site it apears to be a collection of all of tex-zen writing and knowledge