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Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Georgian » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:26 am

Hey yall. I really wanna treat myself to another HD shotgun, and am on a budget. I'm really torn though..... I love the smooth action and light weight of the Maverick 88, but admire the PP for its heft and 870-esque characteristics. Does anyone have any guidance for me?
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Rob Taylor » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:32 am

I'm a fan of NEF so I'm biased, but I like a heavier weight for a shotgun, especially in the 12ga. But then again I'm a delicate flower who hates recoil...

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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by my pies are piff » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:34 am

Rob Taylor wrote:I'm a fan of NEF so I'm biased, but I like a heavier weight for a shotgun, especially in the 12ga. But then again I'm a delicate flower who hates recoil...
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by yossarian » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:45 am

870esque =/= 870 but Maverick=Mossberg (well basically). The Maverick has a proven track record as a solid, budget minded gun. Maybe the Pardner Pump does too but I haven't heard anyone bragging about them. Also, the Maverick is an American made gun, The Pardner Pump is, I believe, Turkish.
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by DaveJohns » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:10 am

I have the NEF and like it a lot. The Mav is also a good gun, you wouldn't be disappointed with either one. Personally I prefer the 870 ergonomics just a tad more than the Mossberg setups, mostly the safety. I wish I had the money for a proper Remy, maybe next year. Until then, the NEF works for me.
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Gun_Nut_2k1 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:31 am

Don't waste your money. Get the Maverick. The accessory list crossover from Mossberg alone trumps the NEF gun. The proven design and reliability of the American made gun is the coup de gras.
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by TDW586 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:50 am

Pardner Pumps are extremely solid guns for the money. The Maverick is a good choice too, although Gun_Nut, most Mossberg accessories are for the 500/590, not the Maverick, and a lot of them won't fit. So there's not much of an advantage for the Maverick in that area.

I'd say they're about equal.
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Gun_Nut_2k1 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:52 am

TDW586 wrote:Pardner Pumps are extremely solid guns for the money. The Maverick is a good choice too, although Gun_Nut, most Mossberg accessories are for the 500/590, not the Maverick, and a lot of them won't fit. So there's not much of an advantage for the Maverick in that area.

I'd say they're about equal.
Since you allude to my post I will respond. You are incorrect that most Mossberg accessories will not fit the Maverick. Sans the fore grip, safety, and trigger housing all else does IIRC. In fact the heatshield, buttstocks, sidesaddles, scope mounts, slings, barrels, most internal parts, beads, and pistol grips are direct interchange parts. I have seen some Mavericks from the factory with Mossberg style forearms. Also some 590 parts will not fit on a 500 with out major modifications. Barrels and mag tubes are two such parts.

A gun made in china by a skilled worker maybe as good as some American guns. These are not. While they are better than the Century imports, they are still very much sub par guns.
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Silent Kube » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:54 am

I love my mav, especially for the price. I'm thinking about getting one specifically for my truck. Most accessories for the 500 fit the mav. The only exception is the forend. In the rare case of a stock that won't fit, most companies specify that it will not fit the maverick. I don't know where the safety is on the pardner but I like where the safety is on the mav. Makes it a lot easier to get to with a pistol grip than on the 500.
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by TravisM.1 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:16 am

A major complaint with the M88 used to be that it had one action bar rather than the 500s twin bars, which made it supposedly inferior. I re-blued the barrel, mag tube and fore-end tubes on a couple of 88s a couple years back, and they both had the twin bars.
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Gun_Nut_2k1 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:31 am

Yeah they went to double bars a while back. The problem is they are pinned to the plastic and not brazed to a metal tube. Makes it hard to change the forearm. :roll: Not as strong as the Mossy but how strong does that part need to be?
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Georgian » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:21 am

I've actually done some research and I could change the Maverick 88 forend out to a Model 500 forend (purchase Mod 500 action tube, nut) and put wood stocks on it for less than a new Model 500. Check this: $235 (after tax) Maverick 8-shot Security 88, $28 action tube, $12 tube nut, and $45 bucks for brand new wood stocks or $35 for camo stocks= $332.
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by TravisM.1 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 11:51 am

Gun_Nut_2k1 wrote:Yeah they went to double bars a while back. The problem is they are pinned to the plastic and not brazed to a metal tube. Makes it hard to change the forearm. :roll: Not as strong as the Mossy but how strong does that part need to be?
Really?

The two I had apart were both the same as my 500- action bars brazed to the fore-end tube. ETA- With a shoulder that held the fore-end in place on the tube from the rear, and a big spanner nut that held it in place from the front. Both were different lengths; one was the 7-5/8" length, like my mossberg, and the other was the shorter variant.
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Power Fail » Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:02 pm

I really like the 88. The action's extremely smooth, it's as accurate as I am, and the price is right. As a righty, I prefer the Mossberg's controls, especially the forearm release, and it's in the same spot on the 88. I'm also not a huge fan of safeties at the rear of the trigger guard. While the 88's is on the trigger guard, it's at the front of it.

I also don't notice any real difference between the 500 and the 88, quality or function wise. With certain items, you can really tell when you shouldn't have gone with the knockoff version; not so with the 88, at least as far as I can tell.
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Janos Dracwlya » Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:17 pm

Gun_Nut_2k1 wrote:A gun made in china by a skilled worker maybe as good as some American guns. These are not. While they are better than the Century imports, they are still very much sub par guns.
I'm just curious: on what are you basing this statement? I've read a lot of discussions on the Pardner Pumps and I've never seen anyone who actually owned or tried one say anything about poor quality or problems with the gun. Sure, they are made in China, which may be a consideration for some (not me, as long as the quality is there). So, like I said, I'm just curious.

It may be that my information is out of date, and Mossberg has moved production to the U.S.; however, the last I heard, Mavericks were made in Mexico.
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Silent Kube » Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:28 pm

Parts made in mexico, assembled in texas I believe. I don't see a problem with that though, most factories, especially ones in texas have a largely latino employee base anyway.
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Janos Dracwlya » Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:45 pm

Kube wrote:Parts made in mexico, assembled in texas I believe. I don't see a problem with that though, most factories, especially ones in texas have a largely latino employee base anyway.
I don't have a problem with that (I buy Aguila ammunition, especially the .22 Colibris); it was just an observation since the "Made in USA" was being touted for the Maverick.
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Arcana71 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:15 pm

Gun_Nut_2k1 wrote:The accessory list crossover from Mossberg alone trumps the NEF gun.
The NEF Pardner Pump is, for all intents and purposes, a Remington 870 manufactured by Norinco. If you're looking at the availability of accessories, I have a nagging suspicion that 870/Pardner would trump 500/Maverick.
Gun_Nut_2k1 wrote:The proven design and reliability of the American made gun is the coup de gras.
As I said, it's a Remington 870 manufactured by Norinco.
Gun_Nut_2k1 wrote:While they are better than the Century imports, they are still very much sub par guns.
Norinco.
Gun_Nut_2k1 wrote:The problem is they are pinned to the plastic and not brazed to a metal tube. Makes it hard to change the forearm.
All other things being equal, you should be able to replace the forearm and slide/action-bar assembly with pieces from the 500. This should fix both problems (strength/interchangability) at once.

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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Gun_Nut_2k1 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:46 pm

Janos Dracwlya wrote:I'm just curious: on what are you basing this statement?
No problem my friend. I had many of the guns through my doors. The ones I have seen , both new and used, where refined Chinese junk. Don't get me wrong. I like some nice Chinese junk now and again but not when the choice is a superior weapon at the same or nearly the same price.
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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Arkane » Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:49 pm

Either are OK. MAV= Mexican made assembled in Texas. P-Pump= Chinese. I looked at both side by side and bought the P-Pump because it was smoother, had a metal trigger group housing, and seemed to be put together a bit better. 400+ shells through it with no problems.

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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by redcrow » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:05 pm

Anyone know the story on the new Stevens 350 security? Looks to be the same price range as the Maverick and Pardner pump.
It appears to be a Ithaca 37 copy. Have these hit the stores yet?

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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Smitherman » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:23 pm

I went with the Parnder Pump. Most of the 870 accessories will fit, if that's how you roll. Plus, since I'm on a budget, it was $159 + tax.

I'm not much on hanging stuff on mine, so I just added the fiber optic front sight for plain barrels.

I don't think you'd go wrong with either one though.

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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by Arcana71 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:34 pm

redcrow wrote:Anyone know the story on the new Stevens 350 security? Looks to be the same price range as the Maverick and Pardner pump. It appears to be a Ithaca 37 copy. Have these hit the stores yet?
Also a Chinese clone... essentially a rebranded Interstate 372, which indeed is a copy of the Ithaca 37. Word on the street is that the 372 is heavy and the machining is a bit rough. If you're looking for aftermarket support, it is likely not the wisest choice, as there's almost none for the 37.

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Re: Maverick 88 or NEF Pardner Pump?

Post by TDW586 » Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:47 pm

Gun_Nut_2k1 wrote:No problem my friend. I had many of the guns through my doors. The ones I have seen , both new and used, where refined Chinese junk. Don't get me wrong. I like some nice Chinese junk now and again but not when the choice is a superior weapon at the same or nearly the same price.
So you don't have any specific examples of failures or breakages? Just an assessment that they are "refined Chinese junk"? Just clarifying.
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