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Doe's head vs. .223 Pics (Rather Graphic, NSFW)

Post by Gunny » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:28 pm

Thought some of my fellow AR fanboys might like to see what a .223 45gr Nosler Ballistic Tip round out of a Remington 700 varminter does against a soft target like a doe's head.

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Post by tireiron » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:36 pm

Yikes! :shock:

I put a 168gr Hornady A-max 30-06 ( outta my Garand) through the breadbasket of a whitetail this year... exit wound the size of a golfball...
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Post by bonanacrom » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:41 pm

Very nice. And less graphic than a Texas heart shot.
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Post by nimdabew » Tue Jan 05, 2010 6:59 pm

BOOOOOM! Headshot!

Someone had to say it. Now I wonder what M855 would do to the same target.

Side question, what is skull comparison to a human skull? I know differentdimensions but similar build and bone density?
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Post by roscoe » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:02 pm

Side question, what is skull comparison to a human skull? I know differentdimensions but similar build and bone density?
More bone and muscle, much less brain.

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Post by Shadowsbane » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:03 pm

Yeah. Not quite as messy as the 30-30 but effective none the less.

I always prefer shooting things in the head. I don't like chasing things down anymore than I have to.
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Post by nimdabew » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:08 pm

roscoe wrote:
Side question, what is skull comparison to a human skull? I know differentdimensions but similar build and bone density?
More bone and muscle, much less brain.
I am guessing a human head would be more of a pop
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Post by Matt E. » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:39 pm

One of my good freinds and forum members still hunts deer almost exclusively with a 5.56. (Or a 1911 .45)
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Post by mk_ultra » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:56 pm

But ..but...but.. wait a minute , i thought .556 was only good for shooting poodles .


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Post by daviddulee » Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:58 pm

Wow, that is a more catastrophic looking wound than when I shot a whitetail deer in the head with a 30-30. Two holes the size of my thumb was all that was evidence of the wound then.

Please note, I am not bragging about my 'elite headshot'. I freely admit that I was aiming for the shoulder, was exciting to finally see a damn deer after 3 years of futility, and jerked the trigger. My family calls it 'the luckiest miss ever'.

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Post by mr.trooper » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:08 pm

mk_ultra wrote:But ..but...but.. wait a minute , i thought .556 was only good for shooting poodles .


:lol:
There are some who think so:
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The hilarious thing is, old Chuck is talking about a 64 grain soft point propelled by the 223WSSM, not a standard 223 Remington. He may $hit himself if he ever gets hold of this thread.

Let's all have a good laugh at the LOL-COW. :lol:
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Post by Gunny » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:17 pm

mr.trooper wrote:
mk_ultra wrote:But ..but...but.. wait a minute , i thought .556 was only good for shooting poodles .


:lol:
There are some who think so:
Chuck Hawks wrote:The 64 grain Power Point bullet is simply inadequate for shooting North American deer and antelope, regardless of the velocity at which it can be driven by any .22 caliber cartridge ever produced.
The hilarious thing is, old Chuck is talking about a 64 grain soft point propelled by the 223WSSM, not a standard 223 Remington. He may $hit himself if he ever gets hold of this thread.

Let's all have a good laugh at the LOL-COW. :lol:

Hahaha brilliant.

I've personally killed dozens of deer and a few hundred hogs with .223/5.56 (shrugs).

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Post by BobtheBreaker » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:18 pm

nimdabew wrote:BOOOOOM! Headshot!

Someone had to say it. Now I wonder what M855 would do to the same target.

Side question, what is skull comparison to a human skull? I know differentdimensions but similar build and bone density?
That area is a weaker section of the skull, which in those animals is still pretty good stuff. What makes it impressive none the less is (assuming I have my landamrks correct) that area of the skull is not a stellar flat section, its like early in the occipital region is pretty freakin round. That means, not only did it have the gusto to bust some brain bucket, but it did it with a fractional loss of KE.
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Post by mr.trooper » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:24 pm

Gunny wrote:
Hahaha brilliant.

I've personally killed dozens of deer and a few hundred hogs with .223/5.56 (shrugs).

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Post by Shadowsbane » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:26 pm

Not to mention they will label it inhumane, and say that even that deer suffered too much before dying
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Post by Gunny » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:31 pm

Shadowsbane wrote:Not to mention they will label it inhumane, and say that even that deer suffered too much before dying
If they'd look close, they'll notice the grass in the deer's mouth, and the position of her jaw. She went from deer to meat mid-chew. That's why I like headshooting ;)

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Post by TheLastRifleMan » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:34 pm

In my neck of the woods just before WWII, the .22 Hornet was a favorite for white tail. I remember as a real young kid listening to the farmers that were good friends with my grand dad, a dairy farmer, talking about how expensive .22 Hornet ammo was getting and how they just couldn't go down to the local hardware and buy a box anymore. They liked the Hornet because it was very easy to shoot, fairly low noise and effective on deer if kept within a hundred yards. Another factor was how close the "cityfolk" built suburbs to these folks farmsteads after the war. They did not want to put a .30-30 or .30-06 through someone's house on opening day. Plus they could use it for the occasional fox or wild dog that was raiding their chicken coops, something a rifle chambered in good ol' 22LR was also used for. Being not well to do folks, a rifle that could do "double duty", as it were, made a lot of economical sense.

The reason I mention this is not the fact that the .22 Hornet will kill a deer sized animal better then a .223/5.56. I like to think those old timers were able to put that 45 grain bullet where it need to go. And those old boys took a lot of deer every year.

If the .223/5.56 had been available to them, I think they would have used it and with great success on white tail sized game and for varmint control on their farms and fields.
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Post by Caenus » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:35 pm

So...? Was it adequate? :lol: Although it is not legal to shoot deer with .22's in Texas, I'm sure this was shot somewhere else. :?

Funny how many people have been killed over the last 50 years with this caliber and yet it is still considered inadequate by so many for hunting deer...probably the same people that think the .270 is merely "adequate" for whitetail and the 7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag, .338 Federal and 7mm RUM are "ideal" whitetail cartridges. Most of the guys I know that overgun when hunting also drive 4x4's with 6" lifts to drive down a dirt road at their deer lease. :roll:

Most of the "old-school" REAL hunters I know shoot .243's, 25-06 (those are the "cannons"), 30-30's, .17HMR (seriously), 22-250 is very popular, and .223.

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Post by Artiz » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:40 pm

Holy shit, that's an instant kill. Now hang that head on your car and take a ride downtown. :mrgreen:


Seriously, I prefer clean kills like this (I don't mean it needs to be clean, but the beast didn't even feel a thing which is good) to big holes letting the beast empty itself out while running like a beast that just got it's stuff blown out by a stupid hunter who thinks shooting a deer in the ass is just as effective as shooting it in the head. I'm all about hunting with target rifles, if the weight is an issue, then the hunter should stick to computer work, really. :mrgreen:
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Post by Jeriah » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:41 pm

Caenus wrote:So...? Was it adequate? :lol: Although it is not legal to shoot deer with .22's in Texas, I'm sure this was shot somewhere else. :?
I think Gunny has since moved to Missouri.
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Post by Caenus » Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:44 pm

Jeriah wrote:
Caenus wrote:So...? Was it adequate? :lol: Although it is not legal to shoot deer with .22's in Texas, I'm sure this was shot somewhere else. :?
I think Gunny has since moved to Missouri.
8) of course. That makes sense.
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Post by yossarian » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:30 pm

Can't be Missouri. If you hang around in any gun shop in this state you'll learn real quick that Missouri deer won't drop for anything less than a .300 win-mag :roll:
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Post by Toro Azul » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:43 pm

Is it dead?
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Post by Vicarious_Lee » Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:49 pm

Caenus wrote:
Jeriah wrote:
Caenus wrote:So...? Was it adequate? :lol: Although it is not legal to shoot deer with .22's in Texas, I'm sure this was shot somewhere else. :?
I think Gunny has since moved to Missouri.
8) of course. That makes sense.
Actually (I'm not a hunter, I reserve the use of those few lands that aren't apartment complexes now for those that would enjoy it more), the rule is that you cannot shoot deer with a rimfire. Centerfire only. Meaning that .223, .220 swift, .22-250, .228 3/4 Wildcat, .223007 Higginbotham, and .223.14159 ILikePi Magnum are all acceptable cartridges. :D

Also, very good on ya, Gunny. Humane, no suffering, no tainted meat, no chasing or tracking, and this one won't be coming back to start the Zombpocalypse.
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