steppenwolf wrote: gordon_freeman wrote:
For a fighting carbine.
1. Reliability is everything.
2. Accuracy is nice to have too
3. All hardware is optional depending on needs. "Amateurs talk hardware, professionals talk software".
My philosophy is that you should build your carbine on your needs, and not on what others think is cool or fashionable.
I agree with that, but even within these criteria there's still a lot of room for variation. If there weren't, everyone's "fighting carbine" would look identical, right down to barrel length & optics. Still it's definitely a good move to avoid buying cheap - and usually out-of-spec - knock-offs.
Just wanted to dispel the notion that there's only one kind of "fighting carbine," or even one "build" standard to conform to ...
It's fine to talk about these things in an out-of-context theory kinda way, but when reality comes 'round the corner it'll depend on the fight - as well as the task or mission that brought the end-user there and, to some extent, his role in it.
And as the Rock used to say, "Know your role
" (i.e., Civy, Mil or L.E.)
Don't know if you're taking on my specific viewpoint or not, but i'll respond as if you were.
I think my points are pretty darn broad. Just buy a reliable medium power cartridge rifle, set it up for your needs (optics, sling, etc) and then TAKE IT TO A CLASS
. And not just any class, spend the money to go to a decent class that isn't put together by some know it all gun store employee who was a Fobbit in the reserves. Having a rifle doesn't make you a rifleman, the same way owning a guitar doesn't make you a musician.
In my opinion, a fighting carbine will have a barrel between 11" to 18" in length, have weight mitigation as a concern, and run the bare minimum of accessories needed to get the job done. Sling, weapon light are an absolute must have. Optics are a important, but optional accessory. Everything else is optional. Every accessory should be purchased with function in mind.
My 14.5" is my primary rifle. It's what I use at classes and at competitions. The SPR clone is my "fun gun". My backup rifle is a carry handle sight equipped BCM midlength.
I also forgot to mention I like the idea of "buy once cry once".
I prefer to buy AR-15s made only with Tier 1 manufacturer parts (Colt, BCM, LMT, Noveske, and some CMT/RRA parts) and prefer to run irons, if i don't have the money to afford the most durable optic available. Made an exception for my SPR-ish rifle, as my target scope is $1,400, lol! Also, I would NOT want to lug the SPR-ish rifle around in an emergency.
ETA: The M1A is heavy as heavy, recoils like crazy, and is not a fighting carbine. Run that at a carbine class, see how well you do in a dynamic environment against multiple aggressors. No one is denying the 7.62*51 is more powerful, but its nature requires a lot more heft/skill/practice to run as fast as an AR-15 or similiar 5.56 carbine.
HOWEVER, there is an older lady who runs the FAL at my weekly rifle league, and she's faster/more accurate than 95% of the people who run in that league, including myself most of the time. She's been shooting it for many, many years though. Like I said earlier, software > hardware.
Also, I personally like the M1A as a weapon, for the same reason I like the 1911. I like old school engineering with old school materials. It's pretty... like mechanical watch. However, if the SHTF, i'm grabbing the aluminum/plastic AR-15, and the combat tupperware Glock 19!