Gingerbread Man wrote:
I can only relate (Like a douche) these stories. No one I know that was/is a professional had any issue once they hit upper chest or head.
Well, if you hit someone in the head or lungs with an ice pick, a fast enough BB gun, a .22, a 7.62x51, or a 50 BMG, you will kill them. Those are pretty fatal shots, and in this case you are indicating that shot placement is critical, not caliber of choice.
Gingerbread Man wrote:
Ok, final final point: If the 5.56 sucks how come people keep dying from it? The study says it shouldn't be, it should suck like a 22LR but we have a massive body of evidence over the course of 15 years of war that clearly shows the round works at all ranges.
I have not seen any indication that people who do not receive medical attention can routinely shrug off 5.56 or .22LR. As I have read, it can take up to 3 days to die from .22LR, so get medical attention. Sometimes it takes less than that. Probably a lot less if you are hit in the lungs or head.
BTW: 7.62x39: the M43 version has about 9 inches of travel before beginning to yaw. So does most 7.62x54 and as I understand, most 7.62x51. The AK developed a reputation as reliable but not very lethal. At one point I believe it was known as the most survivable of rounds to be hit with. Then the Russians, Chinese, and Yugoslavians developed versions which yaw/tumble at 3-4 inches. Lethality went through the roof. Mostly because of permanent tissue destruction.
For the best information on lethality in carbines, PCCs, rifles, shotguns, and everything else, look to the hog hunters. Those shooting pigs over 100 lbs. Look at what they prefer and what they ignore. Then go and do likewise. Or do as I do: pick a round, stick with it cuz it works good enough (even if it is not "the best"), and participate in interesting discussions. When I have money I will invest in a more effective round than the 5.45x39. I have no illusions as to it's utility. It is "good enough" and that is all I need.
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