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ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternative

Post by jor-el » Wed May 07, 2014 3:20 pm

http://www.aresdefense.com/?page_id=729

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Noticed nobody brought this item up.

Bans such as the ones in NY and Cali forced the creation of this beast, something of an unholy union between an AR15 and a Mini-14 with FAL DNA to hold it together.

https://www.google.com/patents/US8397623

Nickel version? The lower receiver/stock uses an angled buffer tube through the grip and stock. The bolt carrier itself is proprietary and features a FAL link arm that travels through the buffer tube. Trigger parts are repositioned to accommodate the altered grip location.
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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by woodsghost » Wed May 07, 2014 3:26 pm

You can get a 18.5" barrel and it also comes in 7.62x39. That is kinda sexy!
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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by Stercutus » Wed May 07, 2014 4:11 pm

50 States? No way that is legal in DC though.
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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by TheLastOne » Wed May 07, 2014 5:27 pm

We've been yacking about it in the firearms chat for a bit.

I think it's a fantastic idea that I hope is well executed. Changeout to any upper, AR ergos for the most part, and ar mags. I think it would be a great less-black-rifley alternative for a truck gun. Super attractive for places where an AR is less friendly than even here.
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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by Assault Life » Wed May 07, 2014 6:09 pm

I want one with a wood stock.
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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by raptor » Wed May 07, 2014 6:26 pm

But ... but ... but it is still black and has bullet clips ... and well... it is evil!... :D

Seriously it is a much nicer design than some of the other attempts to get around the state restrictions.

The above comments aside I think any further comments from me will result in my having to reprimand myself...so I am going to shut and sit down.

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Post by Stercutus » Wed May 07, 2014 8:04 pm

Looking a bit closer looks very tactical. Very tactical. Looks a lot like a 7400 series Remington rifle with tactical stuff on it except likely built better.
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Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Wed May 07, 2014 8:14 pm

I'd buy one. Probably want a side-charging upper though.
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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by TheLastOne » Wed May 07, 2014 8:50 pm

Doctorr Fabulous wrote:I'd buy one. Probably want a side-charging upper though.

I've been eyeballing the 2vet2arms purty left side non reciprocating
http://www.2vetsarms.com/category-s/1826.htm

Out of my price range for anything practical but looks like it'd be neat to have
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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by ultra magnus » Wed May 07, 2014 10:42 pm

This could be just the ticket for me. I very much prefer traditional rifle stocks to pistol grips.

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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by Dave_M » Wed May 07, 2014 11:46 pm

TheLastOne wrote:
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:I'd buy one. Probably want a side-charging upper though.

I've been eyeballing the 2vet2arms purty left side non reciprocating
http://www.2vetsarms.com/category-s/1826.htm

Out of my price range for anything practical but looks like it'd be neat to have
That's not going to be a drop-in. Generally can't interchange two proprietary parts from two different setups. Looking at some machine work at minimum.
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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Thu May 08, 2014 12:00 am

Dave_M wrote:
TheLastOne wrote:
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:I'd buy one. Probably want a side-charging upper though.

I've been eyeballing the 2vet2arms purty left side non reciprocating
http://www.2vetsarms.com/category-s/1826.htm

Out of my price range for anything practical but looks like it'd be neat to have
That's not going to be a drop-in. Generally can't interchange two proprietary parts from two different setups. Looking at some machine work at minimum.
Yeah, Ares' proprietary carrier won't mesh with any others without some..."custom" work. I'm just looking at the AR charging handle and the Monte Carlo stock and thinking "meh." One of these seems more likely, provided they don't suck in general:

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Drop in lefthand side-charger, nonreciprocating. Maybe the sporter stock and AR charging handle isn't as awkward as it looks, I've never handled one.
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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by Dave_M » Thu May 08, 2014 12:27 am

Doctorr Fabulous wrote:
Dave_M wrote:
TheLastOne wrote:
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:I'd buy one. Probably want a side-charging upper though.

I've been eyeballing the 2vet2arms purty left side non reciprocating
http://www.2vetsarms.com/category-s/1826.htm

Out of my price range for anything practical but looks like it'd be neat to have
That's not going to be a drop-in. Generally can't interchange two proprietary parts from two different setups. Looking at some machine work at minimum.
Yeah, Ares' proprietary carrier won't mesh with any others without some..."custom" work. I'm just looking at the AR charging handle and the Monte Carlo stock and thinking "meh." One of these seems more likely, provided they don't suck in general:

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Drop in lefthand side-charger, nonreciprocating. Maybe the sporter stock and AR charging handle isn't as awkward as it looks, I've never handled one.
Ah I saw a version of that thing years back... No thanks. Doing an ASA conversion may be the easiest. They sell the upper without a BCG for those that want to do it.
http://www.americanspiritarms.com/upper ... t-carrier/
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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Thu May 08, 2014 8:47 am

That ASA thing looks legit. Expensive as hell though.
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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by Mikeyboy » Thu May 08, 2014 9:40 am

Doctorr Fabulous wrote:That ASA thing looks legit. Expensive as hell though.
What is the price?

That is sad. I'm not a big fan of the Kel Tec SU16 CA, or the Ruger Mini-14, but I would love to see more reliable "every man" mag fed, semi auto rifles that are legal in all 50 states and didn't cost too much.

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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by Dave_M » Thu May 08, 2014 12:53 pm

Mikeyboy wrote:
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:That ASA thing looks legit. Expensive as hell though.
What is the price?

That is sad. I'm not a big fan of the Kel Tec SU16 CA, or the Ruger Mini-14, but I would love to see more reliable "every man" mag fed, semi auto rifles that are legal in all 50 states and didn't cost too much.

$350 for the plain upper w/o BCG
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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by TheLastOne » Thu May 08, 2014 5:57 pm

Ah I forgot about the proprietary carrier. 2v2a upper only requires a different cotterpinthingy for any normal bcg. Still too much money for a cut in the side for me anyway. They are cool though.
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Post by ArmchairRacer » Sat May 10, 2014 1:58 am

I like the looks of it, but the msrp is $850 which puts it in the range of an entry level AR. It better perform better than an entry level AR if it's going to succeed in non-ban states. Also, I wonder if there are any plans to sell the lower without an upper.

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Post by TheLastOne » Sat May 10, 2014 8:39 am

Source for the $850? If that's msrp then actual retail should be lower... Also I can't imagine they wouldn't sell the lower and bc separately. If it's under 350 I'm in.
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Post by feedthedog » Sat May 10, 2014 12:29 pm

ArmchairRacer wrote:I like the looks of it, but the msrp is $850 which puts it in the range of an entry level AR. It better perform better than an entry level AR if it's going to succeed in non-ban states.
If I could get one with with wood furniture, I'd be willing to pay a premium and I'm in the land of anything goes gun laws.

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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by jor-el » Sat May 10, 2014 11:57 pm

If you look at the patent drawings particularly figure 3, you'll see the FAL influence. The stock body could easily done as laminated wood instead of plastic. There is a limitation on minimum length of pull, but there's plenty to adjust height of comb, perhaps something adjustable.
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Post by ArmchairRacer » Sun May 11, 2014 8:15 pm

TheLastOne wrote:Source for the $850? If that's msrp then actual retail should be lower... Also I can't imagine they wouldn't sell the lower and bc separately. If it's under 350 I'm in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... 8UefZ2rZik

It's at 5:11 and I misremembered, MSRP starts at $865. I imagine street price will be in the mid 700s which puts it about the same as a DPMS or Bushmaster.

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Re: ARES Defense Systems SCR: a 50 state legal AR15 Alternat

Post by Mountainsquid » Wed May 14, 2014 8:22 pm

It looks like a Saiga and a AR-15 had a baby.

I sorta want it, even if I'm currently in a state that doesn't have a AWB on the books. It looks that neat, a lot of the turn-off for "compliant" semiautomatic rifles for me is that they are butt-ugly.

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Post by Dave_M » Wed May 14, 2014 10:33 pm

Mountainsquid wrote:It looks like a Saiga and a AR-15 had a baby.

I sorta want it, even if I'm currently in a state that doesn't have a AWB on the books. It looks that neat, a lot of the turn-off for "compliant" semiautomatic rifles for me is that they are butt-ugly.
I imagine that was the goal: make it appeal to everyone, not just people in ban states. That may have been part of the reason why they first demonstrated it with an SBR upper. Regardless, definitely looks like something my father would buy instead of a regular AR.
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