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Post by One Of None » Wed Sep 12, 2007 7:54 pm

dascoyne wrote:No question - just bragging about my toy.

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Post by Rush2112 » Thu Sep 13, 2007 3:54 pm

Ok, I've got an old JC Higgins Model 20 with what looks like a 24'' barrel...whatever the length, it's long. I haven't actually measured it. How safe/legal is it for me to just lop off a portion till it's short enough for home defense but still legal (I think it's 18'' here in NH)? I mean, obviously I'd deburr the cut edges and stuff. Plus, my dad's a machinist of 20+ years so it's not like it'd be amateur night with a hacksaw.
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Post by XD » Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:06 pm

18" barrel 26" overall
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Post by Rush2112 » Thu Sep 13, 2007 4:22 pm

XD wrote:18" barrel 26" overall
So there's no drawbacks to cutting it off as opposed to replacing it? I'm not familiar with how shotgun barrels work. There doesn't seem to be any taper or anything in the barrel, but I don't really know how that works.
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Post by ultra magnus » Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:12 am

I was thinking about a cheap gauge adaptor. I've got some 20ga ammo and no gun to shoot it out of, rather than trading/selling it was thinking about a gauge reducer for my 12ga, but I can't find anything cheaper than $60 or so. Is that as cheap as they get?

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Post by rainbow_pact » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:11 pm

Ultra Magnus -

I suggest you, simply stated, buy a remington 870. They're reliable, easily to mod/fix, cheap, and accurate. Ones can be had for about $260 BRAND NEW. This way, you have a backup shotgun for when, if, the zombies ever hit. Or, you might pickup a wanderer/girlfriend/wife, then, they could have something to shoot.

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Post by XD » Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:00 pm

Rush,

Does the shotgun have screw in chokes? If not it should have the internal choke type stamped on the barrel. Let us know what it is.

It will effect the gun, your patterns will open up more.
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Post by XD » Fri Sep 14, 2007 7:02 pm

Ultra the gauge reducers are not even worth the price of the shell you put in them... You'd be better off buying an old shotty for that money. I've gotten Ithica 37's for under 100... you get an extra gun and your shot will actually pattern.
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Post by dascoyne » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:57 pm

glockinmypocket wrote:
dascoyne wrote:No question - just bragging about my toy.

Remington 870 police magnum worked over by VangComp with LPA tritiium sights, 18" VCS ported barrel, +2 shot mag extension, stainless steel follower, VCS big dome safety, Hogue overmolded stock, Surefire 618FGA forend (w/ 9V modification for 200 lumen output) and refinished to matte black.
It's not bragging without a pic. 8)
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Post by One Of None » Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:10 pm

dascoyne wrote:
glockinmypocket wrote:
dascoyne wrote:No question - just bragging about my toy.

Remington 870 police magnum worked over by VangComp with LPA tritiium sights, 18" VCS ported barrel, +2 shot mag extension, stainless steel follower, VCS big dome safety, Hogue overmolded stock, Surefire 618FGA forend (w/ 9V modification for 200 lumen output) and refinished to matte black.
It's not bragging without a pic. 8)
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Post by One Of None » Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:23 pm

I gotta ask another off the wall question.
I was surfing around (can't find the damn link now....) and I came upon a website that had load data for a mixed shotshell load consisting of 3/4 or 7/8 ounce of large birdshot (#2 or #BB) mixed with a large size buckshot ( I beleive it was #0 or #1) to equal out to a normal buckshot load weight. It went on to say that it is used in South Africa and also by the English (in WW1 or 2, not sure) because if the buckshot didn't kill you the birdshot would encourage infection.
Do you think that such a load would be worth loading?
I got a 25 pound bag of #2 birdshot for pretty much nothing and don't know what to use it for.
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Post by chitown2k » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:15 pm

My intention isn't to dig up an old thread :wink:

Ok, maybe a silly question, but I have 0 experience with Shotguns, only with .22's as long arms and a smattering of pistols and revolvers that I rent and shoot at the range. My range does not allow shotgun firing, so I can't even rent one to play...

So to my question: Will any standard shotgun, Moss 500 or Rem 870 with the standard barrel fire both a slug and a shot shell out of the same barrel? Do you need to have 2 barrels to shoot either type of round? Is this a silly question?

Help me understand what I could shoot if I bought this http://www.remington.com/products/firea ... -round.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Could it be used for defense and hunting?
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Post by muscleman_coffeemesto » Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:23 am

I shoot rifled slugs and shot from the same barrel. You'd switch out to a rifled barrel if you shoot sabot loads, or at least I would. If you're shooting birds or doing some serious hunting, you might go for a longer barrel. The smooth bore barrel is your "standard" barrel though. You can shoot anything out of it.
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Post by Jeriah » Fri Sep 26, 2008 10:30 am

Question:

If I wanted to use a shotgun as an "airbrush" to create an image (made of holes) in fresh pig's skin (not on a pig), what's the smallest shot that would make holes in pigskin? And, what's the thinnest plywood that would reliably stop that shot?

Here's what's going on: my wife and I are doing an art project, more hers than mine, really. And we're going to be using pig skins as our "canvas" and projectiles as our "brush." The result is going to be a pig skin with holes in it that, hopefully, look like something. If they come out good we'll have them tanned and show them like paintings.

One option, obviously, is to do a line drawing with a scoped .22. We're going to do that. But I also want to try doing a stencil drawing, where I make a sihlouette of something, cut it out of, say, 3/4" plywood, and then hose it with birdshot, so the plywood stops the birdshot except where the image is going to be. But if I use buck, it'll prob. just go through the wood. Will birdshot make holes in raw pigskin, or no?
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Post by ZombieCleaner » Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:25 am

Jeriah, how thick is the pig's skin? In addition to the size of the shot being used, the right choke is what's really going to make a difference. Depending on the choke tube being used, you'll either end up with one big ass hole and a few stray holes, or if you're just using a cylinder bore (no choke) barrel the shot pattern will be more spread out.

I'm sure Gunny or someone else will elaborate on which choke to use.
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Post by Jeriah » Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:37 am

ZombieCleaner wrote:Jeriah, how thick is the pig's skin? In addition to the size of the shot being used, the right choke is what's really going to make a difference. Depending on the choke tube being used, you'll either end up with one big ass hole and a few stray holes, or if you're just using a cylinder bore (no choke) barrel the shot pattern will be more spread out.

I'm sure Gunny or someone else will elaborate on which choke to use.
I have two barrels, an 18" cylinder bore and a longer (26"?) adjustable choke. This is out of a 12 gauge Mossy 500, BTW. I definitely want a pattern, not one big hole. I'll do some test shots on paper I guess.

As far as the thickness, I don't know. We're going to pick up the skin from a butcher right before we go out. So, it's as thick as the skin of a regular domestic pig? :lol:
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Post by muscleman_coffeemesto » Fri Sep 26, 2008 12:30 pm

My girlfriend and I have already used my shotgun for an art project. We used 7.5 shot. The results weren't very inspiring. The size of the shot won't be your biggest problem, it'll be the size of the hole created by the wad when it hits the skin.
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Post by chitown2k » Fri Sep 26, 2008 1:49 pm

muscleman_coffeemesto wrote:I shoot rifled slugs and shot from the same barrel. You'd switch out to a rifled barrel if you shoot sabot loads, or at least I would. If you're shooting birds or doing some serious hunting, you might go for a longer barrel. The smooth bore barrel is your "standard" barrel though. You can shoot anything out of it.
Thank you! That's a great answer.

So the cylinder bore is the standard do all barrel which can shoot anything from it, although a rifled barrel would be more suitable for hunting non birds/larger stuff - is that somewhat correct?
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Post by TheLastRifleMan » Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:05 pm

I think you got the idea, chitown. Although the cylinder bore is really set up for buckshot, slugs and short range stuff. If you want to do any pheasant, squirrel or waterfowl hunting, you will need different chokes.
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Post by Jeriah » Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:13 pm

muscleman_coffeemesto wrote:My girlfriend and I have already used my shotgun for an art project. We used 7.5 shot. The results weren't very inspiring. The size of the shot won't be your biggest problem, it'll be the size of the hole created by the wad when it hits the skin.
You think the wad will go through?

I could cover the skin with hardware cloth, open enough that the pellets will go through, tight enough to deflect the wad?
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Post by muscleman_coffeemesto » Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:22 pm

I'd practice on paper first and see how far you'll have to be from your pigskin to get an acceptable pattern. The wad might not go through if you're far enough, but it might cut or otherwise mark it.
When my girlfriend and I shot up some of her paintings, we tried the shotgun and pretty much obliterated the piece. The wad tore a huge chunk out of it. Of course, pigskin should be tougher than canvas.
Edit: The cloth might work, or maybe even cardboard?
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Post by Jeriah » Fri Sep 26, 2008 2:36 pm

muscleman_coffeemesto wrote:I'd practice on paper first and see how far you'll have to be from your pigskin to get an acceptable pattern. The wad might not go through if you're far enough, but it might cut or otherwise mark it.
When my girlfriend and I shot up some of her paintings, we tried the shotgun and pretty much obliterated the piece. The wad tore a huge chunk out of it. Of course, pigskin should be tougher than canvas.
Edit: The cloth might work, or maybe even cardboard?
Hardware "cloth" is metal mesh. Think tiny chickenwire or jumbo, galvanized steel window screening. But cardboard might work. My concern about something like cardboard is that it will slow down the pellets a little as well as stopping the wad, and I'm going to use marginal pellets so I don't penetrate the stencil...
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Post by muscleman_coffeemesto » Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:11 pm

Sounds like you have some "Range Time" to put in. Get extra skins if you can and conduct experiments to see if the wad will penetrate or otherwise mar the surface. Post it on the "Art" portion and I'll keep an eye out for it.
Aside from that, I think your wire mesh stuff will keep the wad from hitting the skin.
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Post by Jeriah » Fri Sep 26, 2008 3:24 pm

muscleman_coffeemesto wrote:Sounds like you have some "Range Time" to put in. Get extra skins if you can and conduct experiments to see if the wad will penetrate or otherwise mar the surface. Post it on the "Art" portion and I'll keep an eye out for it.
Aside from that, I think your wire mesh stuff will keep the wad from hitting the skin.
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