A friend, a horse, and...a gun?

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Re: A friend, a horse, and...a gun?

Postby RickOShea » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:25 pm

Kutter_0311 wrote:
mough wrote:How many rapists hang out at horse trails?

Maybe as many child abducters hang out at parks and malls, maybe less.

As ambush predators, they tend to get to know their hunting grounds, and how to exploit the lay of the land to take their prey without getting caught. Naturally, there are many levels of skill and experience, from dumb-shit newb to ninja-master pro rapist. Horse trails tend to be rural, with lots of places to disappear someone, yet has enough traffic to be of interest. In my AO we have a trail along the river, very popular for running, skating and biking. Plenty of young, fit females to stalk. Second year it was open, we had several rapes on the trail, ambush-predator style: dawn and dusk, in the long grass, very pro. Never caught the guy, as far as I know, he just moved on once the heat got turned up, found another hunting ground.

It might be fine, or it may be a really shitty way to die. Overall, the same reasons I carry every day.

I don't want to indict any groups or paint with too broad a brush, but there are plenty of "undesirables" that hangout on the horse/ATV/4x4 trails. Which is why I kept a handgun in a special "easy to get to, yet very secure" holster I had attached inside a small fender bag, when me and my buddies used to race ATVs cross country.
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Re: A friend, a horse, and...a gun?

Postby MaconCJ7 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:34 pm

Societies trash is everywhere. My wife understands this and is all about learning as many ass-kicking skills as she can. She doesn't have a victim mentality and has no issue with turning an aggressor into a patient.

To have any amount of faith at all that just because you're 'in the sticks' means you're safe, well, you're wrong. Worthless piles of skin don't really care about location, just so long as someone is around to take advantage of.
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Re: A friend, a horse, and...a gun?

Postby Braxton » Fri Aug 24, 2012 1:36 pm

mough wrote:
Kutter_0311 wrote:
mough wrote:How many rapists hang out at horse trails?

Maybe as many child abducters hang out at parks and malls, maybe less.

As ambush predators, they tend to get to know their hunting grounds, and how to exploit the lay of the land to take their prey without getting caught. Naturally, there are many levels of skill and experience, from dumb-shit newb to ninja-master pro rapist. Horse trails tend to be rural, with lots of places to disappear someone, yet has enough traffic to be of interest. In my AO we have a trail along the river, very popular for running, skating and biking. Plenty of young, fit females to stalk. Second year it was open, we had several rapes on the trail, ambush-predator style: dawn and dusk, in the long grass, very pro. Never caught the guy, as far as I know, he just moved on once the heat got turned up, found another hunting ground.


This sounds like a borderline confession.


That's uncalled for.
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Re: A friend, a horse, and...a gun?

Postby Rev » Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:00 pm

Braxton wrote:
mough wrote:
Kutter_0311 wrote:
mough wrote:How many rapists hang out at horse trails?

Maybe as many child abducters hang out at parks and malls, maybe less.

As ambush predators, they tend to get to know their hunting grounds, and how to exploit the lay of the land to take their prey without getting caught. Naturally, there are many levels of skill and experience, from dumb-shit newb to ninja-master pro rapist. Horse trails tend to be rural, with lots of places to disappear someone, yet has enough traffic to be of interest. In my AO we have a trail along the river, very popular for running, skating and biking. Plenty of young, fit females to stalk. Second year it was open, we had several rapes on the trail, ambush-predator style: dawn and dusk, in the long grass, very pro. Never caught the guy, as far as I know, he just moved on once the heat got turned up, found another hunting ground.


This sounds like a borderline confession.


That's uncalled for.


Made my blood pressure spike when I read it. Go troll elsewhere.
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Re: A friend, a horse, and...a gun?

Postby Rugger » Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:08 pm

MaconCJ7 wrote:Societies trash is everywhere. My wife understands this and is all about learning as many ass-kicking skills as she can. She doesn't have a victim mentality and has no issue with turning an aggressor into a patient.

To have any amount of faith at all that just because you're 'in the sticks' means you're safe, well, you're wrong. Worthless piles of skin don't really care about location, just so long as someone is around to take advantage of.

WAAAY out in the "sticks" of East Texas you see "meth watch" road signs all over the back roads.
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Re: A friend, a horse, and...a gun?

Postby Doctorr Fabulous » Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:31 pm

mough wrote:This sounds like a borderline confession.

It's called knowing your enemy. You should hear my Marines describe Taliban fighters.

Don't be an ass.
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Re: A friend, a horse, and...a gun?

Postby Trebor » Fri Aug 24, 2012 2:54 pm

Michael Bane wrote a good book on keeping safe on the trail, including how to work firearms into your plans. She should get a copy. There's a Kindle edition available as well.

Link to "Trail Safe" by Michael Bane.

http://www.amazon.com/Trail-Safe-Avoid- ... +safe+bane
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Re: A friend, a horse, and...a gun?

Postby Kutter_0311 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:14 pm

mough wrote:
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mough wrote:How many rapists hang out at horse trails?

Maybe as many child abducters hang out at parks and malls, maybe less.

As ambush predators, they tend to get to know their hunting grounds, and how to exploit the lay of the land to take their prey without getting caught. Naturally, there are many levels of skill and experience, from dumb-shit newb to ninja-master pro rapist. Horse trails tend to be rural, with lots of places to disappear someone, yet has enough traffic to be of interest. In my AO we have a trail along the river, very popular for running, skating and biking. Plenty of young, fit females to stalk. Second year it was open, we had several rapes on the trail, ambush-predator style: dawn and dusk, in the long grass, very pro. Never caught the guy, as far as I know, he just moved on once the heat got turned up, found another hunting ground.


This sounds like a borderline confession.

Or the observations of a former Marine studying law enforcement. Like myself.
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Re: A friend, a horse, and...a gun?

Postby Manny » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:29 pm

As she's starting as a complete rookie I think The KISS principle should be adhered to. I would rule out a longgun for the simple fact it will likely draw attention and low profile would be a good thing. My thought is a moderate size and power handgun with a rust resistant finish would be very good choice as this adventure will occur in any sort of weather. In the time frame she's looking at I think she should concentrate on gaining competence on short range response, as any need for such a response should diminish greatly as distance increases. As far as which weapon/caliber, two calibers come immediately to mind: .38+p and .45acp., both are proven and common, delivering good power with low recoil. The classic 158gr FBI load in the .38+p will have enough power to put down an injured horse with proper shot placement, as well as take care of feral dogs and two legged vermin and would be well matched with a 3" or 4" revolver. A .45 acp was proven to down a horse in it's initial trials, and has a superb record on hunan debris. In a Glock 30SF or G36 It should prove very competent.

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Re: A friend, a horse, and...a gun?

Postby theotherryan » Sun Sep 02, 2012 3:25 pm

Do some research, That is a lot of different states some of which will have a patchwork of local ordinances. Obviously training with firearms and horses is important but I do not want to be a Dan Downer. All I can really say is what I would use. I would carry a .357 Magnum revolver allowing me to load a couple cylinders with snake shot when applicable. For a long gun probably a 30-30 Winchester though I do not have a good reason for that.
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Re: A friend, a horse, and...a gun?

Postby Yrkoon9 » Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:19 pm

mough wrote:How many rapists hang out at horse trails?


http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Poli ... 735187.php

Many will travel to lakes and attack a woman on her boat during a solo adventure?

Well....recently there was that *ONE* guy who followed that chicks blog, knew exactly where she was at, and sexually assaulted her.

Is this woman planning on updates with GPS coordinates, and all that? I certainly hope not.
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Re: A friend, a horse, and...a gun?

Postby tedbeau » Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:40 pm

yossarian wrote:Ruger Security Six or GP-100 in .357 loaded with .38spc, maybe +P depending on the results of your range trip.

I'd stay away from long guns. No matter what you do with it, it would be in plain sight and much harder to secure.

I think the more important question is: Does the horse have any firearms experience?


As far as Illinois, she should be fine traveling as long as its cased and unloaded. There's the fanny pack crowd over there that gets around CCW by carrying an empty gun on their person in a fanny pack and a magazine or speedloader in a seperate pocket/pouch. Best bet is to call the attorney general in each state she'll be passing through and ask about laws specific to horseback.


This was my first thought, If she's mounted and has to use the firearm and the horse has never heard a gun shot she is most likely going to end up dumped in front of her attacker whether it be a snake or a two legged snake. Now not only is she in danger she is also possibly injured or at worse walking to the next police/aid station.

There are very very few horses that are going to tolerate a firearm discharge off their back and even an experienced rider is going to have an impossible time firing a second shot while trying to maintain their mount.

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