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Re: Press therapy - reloading room *chat*

Post by Zed Hunter » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:30 am

Just received a one step swag die from BT Sniper to convert old 9X19 brass to .40cal/10mm jacketed hollow point bullets. Now to cast the pure lead cores.

Tracking up dated to show the power source for my induction heating setup that will be used for annealing the brass. The ZVS driver and generic coil still haven't been turned over to USPS.

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Post by Halfapint » Thu Dec 06, 2018 12:20 pm

Zed Hunter wrote:
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Just received a one step swag die from BT Sniper to convert old 9X19 brass to .40cal/10mm jacketed hollow point bullets. Now to cast the pure lead cores.

Tracking up dated to show the power source for my induction heating setup that will be used for annealing the brass. The ZVS driver and generic coil still haven't been turned over to USPS.
Once I get set up on the property I am going to have to try this..... making my own jacketed bullets would be amazing. Get a video of the process I'd love to see it!
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:38 pm

What do y'all do with brass that's no longer safe to reload ?

I've seen some folks on YouTube making crafts out of sketchy range floor brass and wondered if anyone here on ZS did that same thing.

ETA: I wonder if this ought to be its own thread so as to not hijack this one. Mods, if this deserves to be its own thread, let me know or move it as you see fit.

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Post by Halfapint » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:13 pm

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:38 pm
What do y'all do with brass that's no longer safe to reload ?

I've seen some folks on YouTube making crafts out of sketchy range floor brass and wondered if anyone here on ZS did that same thing.

ETA: I wonder if this ought to be its own thread so as to not hijack this one. Mods, if this deserves to be its own thread, let me know or move it as you see fit.
I crush it with my press to flatten it for better storage eventually I'll melt it to make ingots and maybe sell or use as weights for crab/shrimp pots. Hell maybe I'll get into sand casting and make some cool stuff.
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:19 pm

Halfapint wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:13 pm
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:38 pm
What do y'all do with brass that's no longer safe to reload ?

I've seen some folks on YouTube making crafts out of sketchy range floor brass and wondered if anyone here on ZS did that same thing.

ETA: I wonder if this ought to be its own thread so as to not hijack this one. Mods, if this deserves to be its own thread, let me know or move it as you see fit.
I crush it with my press to flatten it for better storage eventually I'll melt it to make ingots and maybe sell or use as weights for crab/shrimp pots. Hell maybe I'll get into sand casting and make some cool stuff.
I've seen some folks on YouTube make paperweights with spent brass and some of that clear acrylic stuff they sell at Hobby Lobby. I've thought about doing that with the box and a half of old .45 ACP brass I've got.

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Post by Halfapint » Thu Dec 06, 2018 6:59 pm

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:19 pm
Halfapint wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 4:13 pm
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Thu Dec 06, 2018 3:38 pm
What do y'all do with brass that's no longer safe to reload ?

I've seen some folks on YouTube making crafts out of sketchy range floor brass and wondered if anyone here on ZS did that same thing.

ETA: I wonder if this ought to be its own thread so as to not hijack this one. Mods, if this deserves to be its own thread, let me know or move it as you see fit.
I crush it with my press to flatten it for better storage eventually I'll melt it to make ingots and maybe sell or use as weights for crab/shrimp pots. Hell maybe I'll get into sand casting and make some cool stuff.
I've seen some folks on YouTube make paperweights with spent brass and some of that clear acrylic stuff they sell at Hobby Lobby. I've thought about doing that with the box and a half of old .45 ACP brass I've got.
I really want to look more into what Zed Hunter is talking about. I've got LOTS of old lead weights from when my dad was alive and fishing. have about 15 lead downrigger weights, a tackle box full of lead weights, and various other things. plus I see them all the time for a couple buck here and there for people getting rid of old fishing gear (the big weights). So making my own bullets and using 22lr cases as jackets for them would be simply amazing.
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:10 pm

My dad and brothers used to make their own fishing weights from old scrap lead. My dad used the bottom part of a crawfish boiler and put an old pot on top to hold the chunks of lead for melting.

I remember when I was about 11 or so and I watched them dig a small hole in the backyard, smooth it out a little, put in a little twisted piece of thick copper wire and then pour molten lead directly in the hole. Twenty or so minutes later, they pulled the resulting weight out and washed off the dirt.

Despite all the years that have gone by, I can still clearly remember what my dad and brothers did to make the weights. I figure I can probably do the same thing if I had the materials. Only thing that'd really cost me a bit would be the heat source to melt the lead.

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Post by Zed Hunter » Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:01 am

I will refer you to castboolits.gunloads.com for learning and advice. Also the Los Angeles cast bullet assn. Web site. Both are great resources for learning to cast your own projectiles.

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Post by wamba » Sat Jan 19, 2019 12:18 pm

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hmm, I'm using unique in 9mm, looks like it may be decent for .357 as well. I'll have to test some.
Unique is indeed a decent powder for .357. It’s a little dirty, but has performed very well for me in target loads. My uncle (and family) shot silhouette competitions in the mid 80s to early 90s and swore by it in their .357s and .41s. For years now I’ve used it in 9mm, .38sp, .357, .45acp, & .45lc.
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Post by Zed Hunter » Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:35 am

Alliant took over production of the Hercules brand powders in the late 90s. They reformulated them to burn cleaner with the same pressures and burn rates. Green Dot, Red Dot, and Unique are my go to powders. They all started out being for shotgun shell loads, and wound up being useable in multiple pistol and rifle calibers. Bullseye and Blue Dot are the only caliber limited powders I use.

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Post by Halfapint » Sun May 12, 2019 1:25 pm

Took some of my old stock of 300bo out and shot a over 300rds. I reloaded these back when I was using a single stage press and some of them when I was using a turret press. They were all over the place with the COL (still within specs and I under charged them so they weren't over pressured or compacted). The powder I used was 1680 and while I still use that for my subsonics I didn't want to pull all these out just in case some H110 may have been mixed in. They all shot great. These were made before I had my full reloading process was worked out and only had an issue with one (wasn't resized properly and the neck got stuck) it was an easy jam to clear but I'm glad shot them all in a non life threatening situation.

How I have lots of 300bo cases to reload! Also hit the mother load of 223 cases where we were shooting. I think we put maybe 5 mags through the 223's we brought up, and I used the catch bags for the ones I shot so they didn't go flying. and we came out with 2 plastic bags full of brass. Hurray!
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Post by eugene » Wed May 22, 2019 4:54 pm

So I was reading and researching about .357 and powders like unique and titegroup will give slower speed which isn't the best for a hunting round. From what I can tell is I want a good heavy bullet like 158 grain and as fast as possible which means I want to look at Magnum loads. Also I want to be able to someday cast my own so I started looking for a powder that can be for a Magnum load for 158 Hornady XTP and 158grain lead.
Accurate lists both for No.9: http://www.accuratepowder.com/wp-conten ... eb-REV.pdf
They list 12.4 to 13.8 for 158g XTP and 11.2 to 12.4 for 158g lead. So I found some #9 at Vances and loaded up some to test.

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Post by minengr » Wed May 22, 2019 11:17 pm

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
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What do y'all do with brass that's no longer safe to reload ?
Scrap it. A good buddy that shot LOTS of 22lr, before the craziness, collected it all and took it to the local scrap yard and traded it for scrap lead. I give all my scrap brass to him and in return he will cast bullets for me.
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Post by Halfapint » Thu May 23, 2019 10:23 am

eugene wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 4:54 pm
Accurate lists both for No.9:
The amazing thing is how close I came to the published fps at max load, their 1367 to my 1364.
I use #9 for my 10mm it’s a great powder and puts some great numbers out.
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Post by PistolPete » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:52 pm

So tonight I'm going to tackle 22 TCM for the first time. It's a fun round to shoot and I've collected some brass so going to give it a try! It's supposed to be less problematic than 5.7, but in general tiny bottlenecked cartridges can be annoying to work with, so I'll see. I even bought the dedicated TCM powder for it, so hopefully it is straight forward.
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Post by PistolPete » Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:00 pm

Well, partial success. I picked up some Dogtown 35 gr HP flat base bullets on sale for the TCM a while back, thinking they would be a good fit. Turns out the length / ogive isn't a great fit. Turns out the TCM is like last call at the bar and goes for the short, fat bullets. I had to load the bullets I had a bit over book max OAL, but they'll fit OK in a 38 super mag. Time will tell if they cycle well or not!

Also, I cleaned up some 50 Beowulf brass and I found some store bought ammo I have (Underwood) was loaded to a high enough pressure that it collapsed the web of the case. It's super annoying since I only bought the ammo so I would have the brass for reloading, and a third of the cases are ruined. Seems it's a common issue with over pressure rounds in that cartridge, just irritated that store bought ammo did it as well.

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Post by 91Eunozs » Sun Nov 08, 2020 12:58 pm

Yeah I’m finding it somewhat difficult to even find components for some loads. Yes, I’m looking at you Small Pistol Primers!

Thank God I’m still stacked deep in my most oft-loaded calibers, just did another 50 rounds of 300BLK with the last of my 110gr Barnes black tips over H110 powder. Went a little hotter this time at 19.5 grains; approaching max load/case capacity with that much. Oh yeah, finally grabbed my own Lee factory crimp die and it works a treat. Set it up to put what I’d call an extremely light crimp:

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We’ll see how they shoot. You can see the heavy crimp on the bullet at the right front front in this block; die adjusted to the recommended setting of 1/2 turn down after contact, and the bullets behind that one where I dialed it back from there:

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Hard to see in these pics, but I’m basically at the point where it just barely rounds the edge over and really seals the case to the bullet. Looking at the factory loads, it doesn’t look there’s a crimp on there at all.

Still have a few pounds of H110 powder left, and it looks like the ‘free’ Hornady bullets from buying those extra dies over the past few months are about to be fulfilled...they finally cashed the checks for S&H, and I got an email saying my ‘order’ had been processed. I ordered all as 150gr .308 on the list to choose from...can use to load plinking (training nowadays I suppose) and target rounds for both .308 and 300BLK.

Still have a few thousand small rifle and large pistol primers, but zero small pistol...I almost never bought any because it was simply cheaper to buy new than reload. Hell, I never saved any brass except my 450 Bushmaster, my 6.8, most of my .308, and occasionally my 300BLK if it was the nickel-plated brass or I had room from processing a batch. Luckily I’ve been able to find new brass for most of the calibers I shoot, and have started to save almost all my rifle brass now. Of course I only shoot the steel crap now if the range allows, or I’m out on the property! :lol:

I did decide to start shooting and reloading 350 Legend too. Primarily because it (and 450BM) are the only ammo I can ever find actually in stock. This round does absolutely nothing that my current line up doesn’t already do, but I’m looking at it as a less expensive alternative to 450 BM. Factory ammo is just under 1/2 the price of 450BM, and it uses the small rifle primers I already have for .223 (If I ever actually reload it) and 300BLK. Looks like the brass will be pretty easy to process too. I like that it uses .355 bullets despite the lack of variety in this diameter. .357 or.358 would have been a much better choice for a rifle round in my opinion. But at.355 it’s the same as 9mm Luger bullets, which may not work at the speeds a rifle case will push it, but I’ll bet work pretty good dialed back to almost subsonic speeds.

Will be a good plinking round methinks, and solves my current dilemma of no small pistol primers. I have a hundred cases on the way from Midway, and scored 100 of the Hornady FTX bullets at Academy last night. Still no 12.5” barrels in stock anywhere though, LOL. Gonna put this one on one of my SBR’d lowers...will eventually just buy a 16” barrel if I have to though.

I’m guessing we won’t see ‘normal’ pricing on ammo any time soon with the current political state of affairs. And manufacturers are certainly putting everything into producing rounds to meet demand vs components. Don’t want to get thread shit canned with political talk, so I’ll just say it’s gonna be interesting to see what restrictions this new administration put on the shooting sports.
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Post by PistolPete » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:08 am

Those are great bullets for BLK. Hopefully they shoot well for you. I'm a fan of Lee's crimp dies as well, simple and effective.

And I feel you on small pistol primers, it's my weak spot as well. If the market tightness continues I've got an excess of small rifle magnum primers I can offer for trade for some if I run out. But I mostly only use them for 38 special and I've probably got enough of that to get me through the winter.

I tested out my first 22 TCM handloads last week. I loaded close to max but ran a little longer OAL than factory and it didn't cycle 100%. Looks like if I run that OAL I'll need to run a little more powder. The bullets for it are crazy cheap, 7 cents each, but I can't shoot bunches of it due to my lack of small pistol primer and brass, so I'll have to work up a load over time.
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Post by boskone » Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:10 pm

I just found out that annealing brass is a thing. In hindsight, it's perfectly sensible: by annealing, you reduce cracking from work-hardening. Apparently top-tier manufacturers (e.g. Lapua) do this, resulting in the occasional 'miscolored' neck and shoulders.

Commercial annealers are $$$, but there are some DIY options of varying degrees of simplicity. I might give one of the cheaper, semi-manual DIY ones a whirl.

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Post by Phil » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:13 pm

I've been intending on getting a reloading setup for the last 15 years at aleast. Perhaps this is the year. Since I have my eyes on a .44 lever action to pair with a .44 revolver, reloading only makes sense. That, and the fact that .30-06 is virtually unavailable for less than $2/round these days. Back in about 2006, I was GIVEN about 100 rounds just because a few friends had some extra and they didn't have plans on hunting that year.

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Post by boskone » Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:27 pm

That reminds me, I need to get some .30-06 dies. If I do that, I need some more L'n'L bushings. :\

I have dies for my other calibers (except .22lr), but not that.

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Post by MPMalloy » Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:08 am

How different is it to reload shot shells than pistol or rifle rounds?

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