More ammo or more guns?

[Sins]

*but seriously though, any brief mention of gun bans\more gun control... no matter how slight the chances, just whispers to your inner gun hoarder..... "you should buy _____ now while you still have the chance"

I would be lying if I didn't say this wasn't an influence. I just didn't want to talk politics on the forum. I had plans of getting an AR-15 after the first of the year, but it looks like some crazy colorado cotton candy head might mess up my plans.

[grennels]

If money is tight -

You're already shooting 9mm.
Pick up a Highpoint 9mm carbine. They are inexpensive.
Don't let the haters stop you.

[pahwraith]

*but seriously though, any brief mention of gun bans\more gun control... no matter how slight the chances, just whispers to your inner gun hoarder..... "you should buy _____ now while you still have the chance"

I would be lying if I didn't say this wasn't an influence. I just didn't want to talk politics on the forum. I had plans of getting an AR-15 after the first of the year, but it looks like some crazy colorado cotton candy head might mess up my plans.

It's too early to tell.
December 31st *rollseyes*, expect a glut of ammo, guns and prepping gear by january 1st. It'll be like Y2k 2.0.*

Which I think we would all be fine with, political leanings aside.
expect a lot of prepper stuff to go on clearance once 2013 rolls around**. It'll be like the day after christmas.

**Another prediction. The doomsday people will say that their calculations were wrong and that the mayans actually meant 2013 and not 2012.
Although since the mayan calendar is still more accurate than the gregorian calendar that we use, this is doubtful.

[Rebel Pariah]

*but seriously though, any brief mention of gun bans\more gun control... no matter how slight the chances, just whispers to your inner gun hoarder..... "you should buy _____ now while you still have the chance"

I would be lying if I didn't say this wasn't an influence. I just didn't want to talk politics on the forum. I had plans of getting an AR-15 after the first of the year, but it looks like some crazy colorado cotton candy head might mess up my plans.

I imagine a renewed brady bill would be flibustered to death, enough time to get your ducks in a row on that front.

It's too early to tell.
If romney wins and world doesn't end December 31st *rollseyes*, expect a glut of ammo, guns and prepping gear by january 1st. It'll be like Y2k 2.0.*

Which I think we would all be fine with, political leanings aside.

* Actually, even if Romney doesnt win, expect a lot of prepper stuff to go on clearance once 2013 rolls around**. It'll be like the day after christmas.

**Another prediction. The doomsday people will say that their calculations were wrong and that the mayans actually meant 2013 and not 2012.
Although since the mayan calendar is still more accurate than the gregorian calendar that we use, this is doubtful.

my point was simply that, gunlaws\bans can be quite the motivator to buy more shit... regardless of how likely it is to occur

[MacWa77ace]

Right now I have 3 guns in my arsenal.

A 12 gauge shotgun
A .22 rifle
A 9mm pistol

I would like to add more to my collection. Primarily a larger caliber bolt action rifle and a carbine. However I am spending a lot of money on ammo and can't afford a new gun right now. Each month I spend about $150 in ammo. Some goes towards range ammo and the rest gets stockpiled.

My question is, how much ammo is a sufficient amount to have stockpiled, and how much ammo should I go through at the range?

Currently I go through about 400 rounds 9mm, 100 .22, and 100 shotgun a month in range practice.

Stockpiled I have about 1000 fmj 9mm, 100 SD 9mm, 50 buckshot, 50 slugs, 50 birdshot, 2000 .22

I figure if I cut back on my ammo spending I might be able to afford more guns. Suggestions?

I say both. And I agree that if you rearrange your pie chart to include saving for a new firearm, which means cutting back on the shooting, you can do it. Didn't hear how you were practicing to burn that amount of ammo or if you are happy with your performance with each weapon.

I always used the ratio of shoot 100 buy 200 when getting TO a desired cache level of ammo. Which is 1:2. And then once I got to the level of ammo I wanted to maintain I went to 1:1 on the shoot:buy ratio. And I 'went thru' what I could afford and stockpile.

But I am only using one "GUN FUND" for shooting, paying for range time, targets, accessories, and new/used firearms. So yeah, if I wanted to buy a new one I'd cut back on the practice/fun.

Try quality practice sessions instead of quantity also. 100 rds of 12 guage and .22, why? Those are probably the least expensive to buy, but 10rds of .22 in the bullseye a month for a while should keep you frosty. And unless your practicing trap and/or skeet shooting w/ the shotgun, 20 rds of low ready to bullseye, and 'feed the puppy' drills should do the same for a while. Same with the 9mm, if you're just standing in front of a target burning 400 rds, you could cut that back for a while to. Just make sure your happy with your performance at the range and then stop. Which could be after 2 mags.

Maybe increase your 'dry fire' training sessions to make up for some of the lost 'fun time'.

[Sins]

Actually, even if Romney doesnt win, expect a lot of prepper stuff to go on clearance once 2013 rolls around. It'll be like the day after christmas.

This was my motivation of waiting til after the 1st of the year. In november my company hands out yearly bonuses. I was planning on getting firearms once the world doesn't end.
Which in all likelyhood I will still do. I think right now prices are inflated. I just hope three years from now, I am not wishing I wouldn't have waited.

[Czechnology]

If money is tight -

You're already shooting 9mm.
Pick up a Highpoint 9mm carbine. They are inexpensive.
Don't let the haters stop you.

Nobody really hates the carbines. They feel like they're made out of a recycled plastic dumpster, but they shoot alright, and have good Customer Service.

The pistols? Complete crap.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

If money is tight, unconverted Saiga. Slowly accumulate the parts to convert until you can convert it, but to begin with it'll cover carbine about as well as the High Point, for just a bit more. Better yet, buy the Saiga and start of "922(r) JAr) to save the money to do the conversion all at once.

[theotherryan]

I personally don't allow myself to buy a new gun until I have enough ammo to feed the last one but I'm also a little OCD. lol

Having a bunch of guns without the gear to use them and mags/ ammo to keep them fed doesn't make sense. I learned the hard way but have stopped buying a new gun until I am reasonably happy with what I have put away for the last one.

As to amounts I like 1k for a defensive pistol, 3k for a .22 and 1k (mixed buck, slug and game shot) for the shotgun as laid out here [/url]=http://tslrf.blogspot.de/2012/07/priorities-upgrading-looking-at-your.html[/url].

Get the stuff to feed the guns you have then get a good rifle like an AR or an AK or whatever .308 floats your boat. After that training.

[Edward78]

That is very good advise that I just recently started to follow myself. Its always more fun to buy a new gun then a bunch of ammo you hope you never have to use. 1000 mis Shotgun shells I am way behind on that I am not a big shot gun guy I only have 250 00 about 50 game load and 75 slugs for my 590.

Ed

I personally don't allow myself to buy a new gun until I have enough ammo to feed the last one but I'm also a little OCD. lol

Having a bunch of guns without the gear to use them and mags/ ammo to keep them fed doesn't make sense. I learned the hard way but have stopped buying a new gun until I am reasonably happy with what I have put away for the last one.

As to amounts I like 1k for a defensive pistol, 3k for a .22 and 1k (mixed buck, slug and game shot) for the shotgun as laid out here [/url]http://tslrf.blogspot.de/2012/07/priorities-upgrading-looking-at-your.html[/url].

Get the stuff to feed the guns you have then get a good rifle like an AR or an AK or whatever .308 floats your boat. After that training.

[raptor]

I imagine a renewed brady bill would be flibustered to death, enough time to get your ducks in a row on that front.

It's too early to tell.
If romney wins and world doesn't end December 31st *rollseyes*, expect a glut of ammo, guns and prepping gear by january 1st. It'll be like Y2k 2.0.*

Which I think we would all be fine with, political leanings aside.

* Actually, even if Romney doesnt win, expect a lot of prepper stuff to go on clearance once 2013 rolls around**. It'll be like the day after christmas.

**Another prediction. The doomsday people will say that their calculations were wrong and that the mayans actually meant 2013 and not 2012.
Although since the mayan calendar is still more accurate than the gregorian calendar that we use, this is doubtful.

This is exactly the political discussion we do not permit on the forums.

[pahwraith]

I imagine a renewed brady bill would be flibustered to death, enough time to get your ducks in a row on that front.

It's too early to tell.
If romney wins and world doesn't end December 31st *rollseyes*, expect a glut of ammo, guns and prepping gear by january 1st. It'll be like Y2k 2.0.*

Which I think we would all be fine with, political leanings aside.

* Actually, even if Romney doesnt win, expect a lot of prepper stuff to go on clearance once 2013 rolls around**. It'll be like the day after christmas.

**Another prediction. The doomsday people will say that their calculations were wrong and that the mayans actually meant 2013 and not 2012.
Although since the mayan calendar is still more accurate than the gregorian calendar that we use, this is doubtful.

This is exactly the political discussion we do not permit on the forums.

Whoops. I thought it meant no partisan political talk. Not basic parliamentary procedure.

My bad.

[theotherryan]

@ Edward78, The numbers I listed aren't really based on anything specific except what arbitrarily makes me feel reasonably comfortable. If 300 rounds of 12 gauge or 500 or whatever makes you happy then rock with it.

[Kutter_0311]

If money is tight, unconverted Saiga. Slowly accumulate the parts to convert until you can convert it, but to begin with it'll cover carbine about as well as the High Point, for just a bit more. Better yet, buy the Saiga and start of "922(r) JAr) to save the money to do the conversion all at once.

^^EXCELLENT idea!

[Rebel Pariah]

decided magazines are critically low, and I found a killer deal on beretta PX4 17rd 9mm magazines, so I ordered 3, for a total of 86 with shipping... considering local ranges want to sell for 59.99 a pop, and cheaper than dirt sells them for 37$ , I'm quite happy...

the kicker?... the cheapest place to buy them from was direct from beretta , that's a first

I think my general plan for the moment is to buy 100$ worth of mags for each gun that needs them, before I'm allowed to buy a new gun

next round I will be buying 4x 8rd Chip McCormick Power Mags for $89.96 (maybe 5 for $112.45)

later Ill probably pick up 3 Ruger 22\45 mags,

then however many p mags till I feel happy,

[MacAttack]

I would go with the carbine in a carbine caliber(not a pistol caliber).

I would go with the same calibers your bug out buddies are running. If not weapons running the same mags.
You don't have local bug out buddies? Find some and convince them to run common ammo/mags.


After you make the investment in the firearms then getting ammo stock piled for it seems a bit easier.

I keep my stock piles separate. I have a set stock pile for the PAW, in sealed containers of one type or another, and then I have separate stock piles for practice.

[ITZombie]

QFT - If all a person has are guns and miles of ammo laid end to end then in a wide spread situation then their options for getting by day to day are limited to pretty much one that will likely not end well.

I'm not sure what your preps are and i dont want to insult you, but I'm speaking more to the general masses at this point or the newbie prepper who are probably in a similar situation.
You could buy a top of the line water filter, an inverter so you can appliances from your car at idle, a solar battery charger, and a several month supply of food for the cost of of a full rifle setup plus all the extra goodies you "need" to have (red dot, various gear carriers, and etc) Not that they aren't nice and useful, they are but I would pursue them after I have my water, food and backup power situation sorted out.

[Rebel Pariah]

QFT - If all a person has are guns and miles of ammo laid end to end then in a wide spread situation then their options for getting by day to day are limited to pretty much one that will likely not end well.

I'm not sure what your preps are and i dont want to insult you, but I'm speaking more to the general masses at this point or the newbie prepper who are probably in a similar situation.
You could buy a top of the line water filter, an inverter so you can appliances from your car at idle, a solar battery charger, and a several month supply of food for the cost of of a full rifle setup plus all the extra goodies you "need" to have (red dot, various gear carriers, and etc) Not that they aren't nice and useful, they are but I would pursue them after I have my water, food and backup power situation sorted out.

I would rather have the ability to protect myself and my food and water, before I have backup electricity

[MacAttack]

Electricity is the last thing I would need in a SHTF scenario.

Having it is nice, but not needed.