What Guns Would You Avoid Buying Based on Performance?

[UndeadInfidel]

The Sig still sucks in my mind. Mine shoots somewhat reliable with certain ammo types as well, but it's still nowhere near as reliable as a well designed 22lr pistol should be (eg Mkii/iii, buckmark, etc).

To get mine firing somewhat reliable, I had to polish out the feed ramp. You'll notice between the ramp and the chamber there is a stair step ledge that the tip of the round has to break past on it's way to be fired. I polished that entirely out so it's a smooth transition into the chamber. It does come with a lighter (shorter) spring, but with standard loads I've found it's best to put the heavy spring into the gun and lock the slide to the rear. Let it sit for 3-4 days with the slide locked to the rear. This will help the spring break in, and it will fire more reliably as if you'd put a few thousand rounds through the gun.

My Mosquito is somewhat of a sore spot. I have the threaded version but have yet to put any subsonic rounds through it. I'm somewhat scared to. The main issue is that it was a gift from my girlfriend for my birthday last year, and I can't just get rid of it. She actually likes to shoot it more than I do, so I keep it around for her.

[0122358]

I've been going through a lot of the Firearms Threads and keep seeing recommendation upon recommendation for best pistols, shotguns and rifles.

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE ONE'S YOU WOULDN'T RECOMMEND?

Casting my vote for the SIG MOSQUITO .22 LR.

I bought one for my wife for Christmas. It was her first handgun and the first time she's ever shot a pistol.

PROS:

The gun feels about 90% in size compared to the SIG 220. Tactically, it's a winner. Has a tactical rail for flashlight/laser (bought a cheap one on http://www.ebay.com for around $40). The pistol is dead one accurate at 20 yards. It feels great in my hands and is extremely fun and cheap to shoot. The price wasn't bad either; especially compared to regular SIG pistols. I picked mine up new at $309.00.

CONS:

(1) The pistol only came with one magazine. Another is $30.00.

(2) Not enough commercially available holsters on the market yet for my tastes.

(3) It jams. (Biggest CON). And I understand after doing research that the jamming is a major problem. SIG apparently is aware and changed the new springs in the latest line of Mosquito pistols, but it's still not helping. I either experience a feeding problem or ejection problem. I've done a bit of further research and discovered that high velocity ammunition can make a difference (over 1300 fps), but it's still an issue. I've tried Federal, Remington, Dynapoint, and yes: the CCI Stinger ammo. The problem seems to be fewer, but it's still there. My best ammo so far is the Winchester High Velocity HP. Unfortunately, it still jams about every other magazine change. I've already bought over $70.00 in various ammo trying what works best. I did find some http://www.youtube.com videos that suggest there's a feed ramp problem and that the softer .22 bullet "scraps" the chamber entering it, causing lead to smear. This smear is causing loading and ejecting problems and recommends that the ramp be polished. I've got a buddy/gunsmith doing that right now. Of all the pistols I've ever bought and fired out of the box, the performance on this one has been the worst.

I owe the forum and SIG a HUGE APOLOGY!

I've been buying different brands of ammo to see which .22 rounds the SIG will feed the best. Today, I bought some Remington Golden Bullets .22 High Velocity. I brought my four year old son with me, since he loves to shoot (I hold the pistol, he pulls the trigger). Anyhow; while I was taking the pistol from it's box, my son pulled the foam top off. What did I find behind it? The extra spring.

Man! What a difference! Just got inside from putting over 150 rounds through the Mosquito with ZERO problems. I feel horrible for bashing the SIG gun, when I never took the time to do something as simple as check the box. SIG, you have my sincerest apology. As do the members here. I started this thread to air my hatred of this pistol. Now that I got the new spring in it (pistol comes with two) I can't remember having so much fun.

I'm sorry.

hmm maybe i should try that...

[Czechnology]

I've found it's best to put the heavy spring into the gun and lock the slide to the rear. Let it sit for 3-4 days with the slide locked to the rear. This will help the spring break in, and it will fire more reliably as if you'd put a few thousand rounds through the gun.

Do you also think storing ammo in mags wears out the mag springs? Because that's the same faulty logic.

[crypto]

I've found it's best to put the heavy spring into the gun and lock the slide to the rear. Let it sit for 3-4 days with the slide locked to the rear. This will help the spring break in, and it will fire more reliably as if you'd put a few thousand rounds through the gun.

Metallurgy fail, dude.

That makes about as much sense as saying putting a few cinderblocks in the trunk of your new car helps break in the suspension springs.

[UndeadInfidel]

Oh no, here comes the IRC Chat Corps of Engineers.

It worked for me per the suggestion of someone else online. The spring was indeed shorter after it was locked back a few days, and I experienced more effective cycling along with the other tweaks I utilized. Unsure if it was cumulative or just Teutonic gnome magic, but it worked. I'll make sure to do a few days worth of research before attempting to post a helpful hint next time....

[dizie]

I've found it's best to put the heavy spring into the gun and lock the slide to the rear. Let it sit for 3-4 days with the slide locked to the rear. This will help the spring break in, and it will fire more reliably as if you'd put a few thousand rounds through the gun.

Do you also think storing ammo in mags wears out the mag springs? Because that's the same faulty logic.

I rotate my mag every month. I talked to several career military and police, they told me rotate every month. Or the spring will get wore out and not feed right.

[TDW586]

That's not true, though it is a commonly believed myth even among LE and .mil. Springs wear out from compression/decompression cycles, not constant pressure.

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[ultra magnus]

I know cycles wear down springs. I know leaving a mag loaded won't wear out a spring. I have HEARD that a spring will take a certain set from staying compressed though. For example new spring is 100%. After leaving loaded for a week spring is at 94%, however no matter how long you leave it loaded it will never degrade below 94% just from being loaded. Cycles will further wear it down over time.

I have no idea if this is actually true or not, but seems logical to me.

[dizie]

mox nix, its a habit for me now.

[Dooms]

I'd avoid recent Marlin stuff. Apparently they're been having real trouble lately in the quality control department. Especially when it comes to lever guns.

[UndeadInfidel]

That's not true, though it is a commonly believed myth even among LE and .mil. Springs wear out from compression/decompression cycles, not constant pressure.

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I do prescribe to this philosophy when it comes to mags, but I don't break them down and measure the springs on a constant basis so I'm just going off what I read online.

Still doesn't explain the visual change in spring dimensions I noticed prior/post leaving the heavy spring locked back in the pistol. We'll chalk it up to aforementioned magic and/or placebo effect.

[TDW586]

It does depend on the type of metal in the spring, some (usually low quality) springs will take a set. Quality magazine springs will not.

I believed in the rotating magazines thing myself for a long time, it was actually a debate on here that led to me changing my opinion. No magic or placebo involved, it's just a myth a lot of people continue to believe. I'll try to search for the thread in which I was soundly bitchsmacked with logic on this topic.

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[UndeadInfidel]

It does depend on the type of metal in the spring, some (usually low quality) springs will take a set. Quality magazine springs will not.

I believed in the rotating magazines thing myself for a long time, it was actually a debate on here that led to me changing my opinion. No magic or placebo involved, it's just a myth a lot of people continue to believe. I'll try to search for the thread in which I was soundly bitchsmacked with logic on this topic.

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I wasn't talking about magazine springs in my original post.

[PackLemming]

I avoid Glock, because they say Dr G's brand of pistols out perform all competition thus ensuring the demise of all other slide actuated semi auto hand pistol manufacturers. In the Kingdom of the Glockenspiel the Ruger can be a damn good village idiot.

[Mr. E. Monkey]

I avoid Glock, because they say Dr G's brand of pistols out perform all competition thus ensuring the demise of all other slide actuated semi auto hand pistol manufacturers. In the Kingdom of the Glockenspiel the Ruger can be a damn good village idiot.

I used to absolutely HATE Glocks. Ugly, weird grip angle, and so on. Then I went to the range and actually shot one.

I still don't think it's pretty, but...

[Doctorr Fabulous]

I avoid Glock, because they say Dr G's brand of pistols out perform all competition thus ensuring the demise of all other slide actuated semi auto hand pistol manufacturers. In the Kingdom of the Glockenspiel the Ruger can be a damn good village idiot.

I used to absolutely HATE Glocks. Ugly, weird grip angle, and so on. Then I went to the range and actually shot one.

I still don't think it's pretty, but...

Glocks should have been Russian. It's hard to imagine and Austrian rep saying the Austrian equivalent of "Comrade, you want to look at it, or you want it to go bang when you pull trigger?"

[Viper shtf]

I avoid Glock, because they say Dr G's brand of pistols out perform all competition thus ensuring the demise of all other slide actuated semi auto hand pistol manufacturers. In the Kingdom of the Glockenspiel the Ruger can be a damn good village idiot.

I used to absolutely HATE Glocks. Ugly, weird grip angle, and so on. Then I went to the range and actually shot one.

I still don't think it's pretty, but...

Glocks should have been Russian. It's hard to imagine and Austrian rep saying the Austrian equivalent of "Comrade, you want to look at it, or you want it to go bang when you pull trigger?"

Fucking this!

[Kommander]

This thread has convinced me that every gun ever made is total crap. I have dumped all of mine into a lake and just spent several thousand dollars on what I have been assured is the ultimate weapon, the Bud K Katana!

[Mr. E. Monkey]

I avoid Glock, because they say Dr G's brand of pistols out perform all competition thus ensuring the demise of all other slide actuated semi auto hand pistol manufacturers. In the Kingdom of the Glockenspiel the Ruger can be a damn good village idiot.

I used to absolutely HATE Glocks. Ugly, weird grip angle, and so on. Then I went to the range and actually shot one.

I still don't think it's pretty, but...

Glocks should have been Russian. It's hard to imagine and Austrian rep saying the Austrian equivalent of "Comrade, you want to look at it, or you want it to go bang when you pull trigger?"

Win!!!

This thread has convinced me that every gun ever made is total crap. I have dumped all of mine into a lake and just spent several thousand dollars on what I have been assured is the ultimate weapon, the Bud K Katana!

Now we're never gonna hear the end of it from all the blue wire fanboys...

[Doctorr Fabulous]

I would love to interview the designer of the Makarov family of pistols.

Me: So what inspired your design?
Makarov: I make gun. Is nine millimeter bullet, but much harder pistol to break than silly American 11.43mm pistols. Also much smaller. Goes in pocket, comes out of pocket, kills people dead.
Me: Not a lot of long range accuracy to it though. Any reason why?
Makarov: Long range? Is pistol! Ten meters away, use pistol. Eleven meters away, use Kalashnikov. How is this hard?

[AKFTW]

I avoid Glock, because they say Dr G's brand of pistols out perform all competition thus ensuring the demise of all other slide actuated semi auto hand pistol manufacturers. In the Kingdom of the Glockenspiel the Ruger can be a damn good village idiot.

I used to absolutely HATE Glocks. Ugly, weird grip angle, and so on. Then I went to the range and actually shot one.

I still don't think it's pretty, but...

Glocks should have been Russian. It's hard to imagine and Austrian rep saying the Austrian equivalent of "Comrade, you want to look at it, or you want it to go bang when you pull trigger?"

Fucking this!

If I ever get ahold of a time machine, I plan to finish learning Russian, go back in time, get the Glock blueprints, and give them to the Soviets so we can have Bakelite and Plum Glocks, as globally-proliferated and cheap as the AK Except they wouldn't be Glocks anymore, they would be PAs

[Mr. E. Monkey]

If I ever get ahold of a time machine, I plan to finish learning Russian, go back in time, get the Glock blueprints, and give them to the Soviets so we can have Bakelite and Plum Glocks, as globally-proliferated and cheap as the AK Except they wouldn't be Glocks anymore, they would be PAs

You'd better hope I don't get to that time machine first!



Wait, I don't think I did that right...

[Turtlewolf]

I avoid Glock, because they say Dr G's brand of pistols out perform all competition thus ensuring the demise of all other slide actuated semi auto hand pistol manufacturers. In the Kingdom of the Glockenspiel the Ruger can be a damn good village idiot.

I used to absolutely HATE Glocks. Ugly, weird grip angle, and so on. Then I went to the range and actually shot one.

I still don't think it's pretty, but...

You know I can't say i've actualy seen a Glock shit the bed and die, but even after a couple hundred rounds through one I can't get used to the feeling that it just has a fat ass and points wierd. Is that an issue with performance?
No, it's an issue with personal asthetics.
For the record I love the Glock 1911!
But it should have a polymer frame, yes?

[AKFTW]

If I ever get ahold of a time machine, I plan to finish learning Russian, go back in time, get the Glock blueprints, and give them to the Soviets so we can have Bakelite and Plum Glocks, as globally-proliferated and cheap as the AK Except they wouldn't be Glocks anymore, they would be PAs

You'd better hope I don't get to that time machine first!



Wait, I don't think I did that right...

Why does it matter if you get a TIME MACHINE first? It's a fracking TIME MACHINE