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Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by phil_in_cs » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:02 pm

There have been a number of posts recently about training w/ a .22LR, and here's my bit. I want this to train myself some, and train some younger folks (my daughter, neighbor's boy, niece, etc). I will admit to being old school, and believing you ought to be able to shoot well with irons before you use a scope. There's no doubt a scope or red dot can improve your shooting, but for learning the basics I feel irons are the way to go.

A friend I shoot Service Rifle with showed me these, and I was hooked.
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To start with, here are the factory sights on a 10/22:
Front:
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Rear:
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The top of the receiver is tapped for a scope mount:
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and the Tech Sights fit those holes.

Here's what you get:
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The instructions are clear and simple; maybe 10 minutes tops. The factory front is just dovetailed in, so you knock that one out and knock in the new one, which also has a set screw to set it firmly. It adjusts like a A2 front post, and comes with a tool to do so.
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The rear fits into the drilled holes. The factory front sight flips down.
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The rear sight is fully adjustable, as in an A2 sight, using the same tool provided for the front post.

And did I say A2 sights?
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That's a sight picture I've seen before.

Range report coming Saturday.
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22

Post by Dave_M » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:08 pm

Tech sights are good kit. However, the rear is not as adjustable as an A2--adjustment is the same as an A1 (A2's are adjustable for elevation at the rear and windage is via a toolless knob)
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22

Post by Hachiman » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:12 pm

Phil,

Thanks for the pics and the post. Can you give us a post range report after you zero them in? :D
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22

Post by phil_in_cs » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:27 pm

DavePAL84 wrote:Tech sights are good kit. However, the rear is not as adjustable as an A2--adjustment is the same as an A1 (A2's are adjustable for elevation at the rear and windage is via a toolless knob)
It needs a tool, but you can do both on the rear sight w/ the newer model:
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I will know more after Saturday. I doubt it will match my White Oak, but the ammo is a bit cheaper.
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22

Post by phil_in_cs » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:29 pm

Hachiman wrote:Phil,

Thanks for the pics and the post. Can you give us a post range report after you zero them in? :D
You bet! We can do a basic marksmanship class after we get our chapter official.

If you have time Saturday, I'm going to get this set up Saturday after the West Houston IDPA match at Impact. If you come shoot the match, we can zero it together.
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22

Post by DANGERRUSS » Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:40 am

I agree these are nice sights, I have the older style and at first I was "put off" by the nylon front sight. I am happy that so far it has held up well and I have used them to train my wife with irons. She took to the sights very well after some instructions. After using them for a while moving up to a .30 carbine was very easy. Next we tried to move to my AR15 but she did not enjoy it. She hit well with it but likes the .30 carbine best. All in all I really enjoy these sights and think they should have been factory.

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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22

Post by Lionheart » Fri Jul 31, 2009 2:01 am

Damn this thread tempts me to go out and buy a 10/22 and these sights.
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by phil_in_cs » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:19 pm

The instructions included with the sights say to use the mildest locktite on the set screw stabilizing the front sight. :evil: Disregard that and use the heavy duty stuff. Also, bring the Allen wrench. Trying to zero a rifle with a moving front post is an exercise in futility.

Another range report to come.
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by bae » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:36 pm

Also, you might find you want to use some Loctite on the rear sight screws.

If you decide to do so, be warned:

The screw holes in the receiver go *all the way through* the receiver, and drain right on top of the slot in the bolt that the firing pin travels in. If you are not careful, an excess drop of Loctite will land right there, and wick into the firing-pin channel. This is...bad.

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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by nimdabew » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:43 pm

bae wrote:Also, you might find you want to use some Loctite on the rear sight screws.

If you decide to do so, be warned:

The screw holes in the receiver go *all the way through* the receiver, and drain right on top of the slot in the bolt that the firing pin travels in. If you are not careful, an excess drop of Loctite will land right there, and wick into the firing-pin channel. This is...bad.

I will not say how I came by this important piece of lore. :-)
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by phil_in_cs » Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:02 pm

bae wrote:Also, you might find you want to use some Loctite on the rear sight screws.

If you decide to do so, be warned:

The screw holes in the receiver go *all the way through* the receiver, and drain right on top of the slot in the bolt that the firing pin travels in. If you are not careful, an excess drop of Loctite will land right there, and wick into the firing-pin channel. This is...bad.

I will not say how I came by this important piece of lore. :-)
Thank you for that tidbit! I was planning on doing the rear ones just in case... They seemed stable enough but I thought it wouldn't hurt... Guess it could!
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by das » Sun Aug 02, 2009 9:25 am

I've had Tech Sights on my 10/22 for a few months now. They're an amazing upgrade from the standard sights, and are highly adjustable. I've been able to become reasonably competitive with a friend who is a distinguished rifleman service rifle shooter at ranges up to 100 yards, and the sights are comparable with my AR service rifle, meaning that my practice is much more valuable.

Two thumbs up from me on these - probably one of the best bang for the buck 10/22 upgrades you can do if you want to use iron sights.

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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by Domino » Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:03 pm

I am contemplating a set of Tech Sights myself and I would love a side by side comparison of them against the factory sights at 25, 50, and 100 meters. If I ever pick them up I will do just that and post it.
DavePAL84 wrote:Tech sights are good kit. However, the rear is not as adjustable as an A2--adjustment is the same as an A1 (A2's are adjustable for elevation at the rear and windage is via a toolless knob)
That can be fixed via an A1 Adjustment knob. Bushmaster sales them for $10...
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by charlie505 » Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:54 pm

nimdabew wrote:
bae wrote:Also, you might find you want to use some Loctite on the rear sight screws.

If you decide to do so, be warned:

The screw holes in the receiver go *all the way through* the receiver, and drain right on top of the slot in the bolt that the firing pin travels in. If you are not careful, an excess drop of Loctite will land right there, and wick into the firing-pin channel. This is...bad.

I will not say how I came by this important piece of lore. :-)
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My rear sight came loose real quick - lock-tight fixed that

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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by charlie505 » Sun Aug 02, 2009 6:56 pm

phil_in_cs wrote:The instructions included with the sights say to use the mildest locktite on the set screw stabilizing the front sight. :evil: Disregard that and use the heavy duty stuff. Also, bring the Allen wrench. Trying to zero a rifle with a moving front post is an exercise in futility.

Another range report to come.

Notice that space under the front site?? The metal of the sight is too soft.
I ended up epoxing the sight in place - worked great.

I love the tech sights

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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by phil_in_cs » Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:32 pm

Got the sights set with red loctite now, and some epoxy on the front to close the gaps.

DavePal84 had commented that he thought the elevation could only be set on the front post, as in an M16A1, not front and rear on an M16A2. The 200 series sights do allow a rear elevation adjustment, but you have to get the tool for an extra $6.

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This is the instruction sheet with the spanner. Below is the spanner (right) and the included tool that will do the front post and the rear windage (but not rear elevation)
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If I can get away from the office on time tomorrow, I can get this zeroed before my IDPA match.
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by phil_in_cs » Thu Aug 06, 2009 7:40 am

It worked this time. My groups didn't tighten up as much as I'd like but I was shooting cheapo thunder bolt. It was also 105 in the shade and I sitting on gravel in the sun, which may have effected my concentration a bit.

I've ordered a number of parts from midway for this; extended mag release, improved bolt handle, etc. I will post those when I get them installed.
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by Agent » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:55 am

I'm very interested in getting some better sights for my new 10/22, especially because the adjustment screw on the rear sight broke the first time I tried to use it. :?

The website says the TSR200 is "Now STANDARD with Extended National Front Post - allowing for shooting at shorter ranges." Anyone know how short? I don't plan on doing much 100yd shooting, but I'd love to be able to use them accurately at 20yd+.

Am I understanding correctly that it comes with the knobby adjuster and not the flat one? How necessary is the second (non-included) adjusting tool? I'm not worried about spending $5, I'm just curious why it wouldn't be included if you need one to effectively use the sights. I'm new to this stuff, so I need to make sure I get everything I need...
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by phil_in_cs » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:00 am

I've zeroed mine at 25. .22LR has huge drop from that to 100 yards, but you can work with it.

The standard tool is included, it adjusts windage on the rear and elevation on the front (ala an A1 sight). The flat one adjusts elevation on the rear. It isn't included, but its like $5 or something and worth the extra money. You could change rear elevation without it, but spend the $5
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Post by FreuderLocks » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:30 am

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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by WY_Not » Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:25 am

*ding ding ding* We have a winner!

One of the best reasons to use the Tech-Sites is that the are comparable to an AR service rifle sights. And with the replacement of the factory wood stock with a Tapco stock, you can mimic the feel and fit of your AR even more closely. Thus getting a very in expensive practice/training platform for your AR rifle. Costs MUCH less to spend a day or two on the range with this setup than with your AR. And, lets you save your .223/5.56 ammo for when you actually need it.

For a great deal, get your new training rifle (commonly known as a Liberty Training Rifle aka LTR) out to an Appleseed (http://www.appleseedinfo.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;). There you can learn a good bit about marksmanship while getting a great history lesson. :wink:

While you are ordering the Tech-Sites, also order the following...

Volquartsen Automatic Bolt Release Ruger 10/22 Silver
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?p ... ber=893349" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Volquartsen Recoil Buffer Ruger 10/22
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Volquartsen Extended Magazine Release Ruger 10/22 Silver
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?p ... ber=572545" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Volquartsen Exact Edge Extractor Ruger 10/22
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?p ... ber=363360" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They also come in black. Makes a huge improvement in function (extractor) and ergonomics (bolt and mag releases) of the controls of the rifle. Buffer is probably optional but it is cheap and reduces the wear and tear of the bolt slamming into the recoil pin.

You can get these parts somewhere else. I just used Midway as I order from them often and they have always provided great service.
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by Agent » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:02 pm

This is probably taking the thread off topic a bit, but oh well. The new 10/22s do have a built-in extended mag release, I'm happy with it so far. I am planning on the bolt release and buffer. Does the extractor really make that much difference? Is it just a matter of the factory parts wearing out eventually and this being a quality replacement part, or will it actually improve regular function (such as improving reliability with different ammo)?
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Re: Tech Sights for a 10/22 (Range Report added)

Post by phil_in_cs » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:10 pm

A couple of the Volquartsen parts did not fit my brand new 10/22.
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Post by Agent » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:18 pm

Which ones? Because I was planning on ordering the bolt release and buffer...
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