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One weapon or any weapon?

Post by Abacus » Sun Nov 09, 2008 4:34 pm

This is more of a training philosophy question:

Do you prefer to do you shooting with one specific weapon, or do you shoot with anything you can get your hands on.

I'm not talking about turning money into noise, I mean seriously working on your skills on your own, or a shooting sport, or taking a class.

Do you like to use the same CHL handgun ALL of the time, or do you carry different ones (and maybe in different holster locations)?

Same for rifles and shotguns, do you "train" with the same rifle continuously, or do you mix it up?

Naturally, anyone who only has one pistol, rifle or shotgun, I think we can take it as read that they will be in the "One weapon" training.

But you lot that have a dozen rifles or a dozen pistols, how about it? Do you train with a specific weapon to become surgically precise, or do you spread your time to be "good enough" with a variety?
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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by ninja-elbow » Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:05 pm

Every chance I get to at least familiarize myself with something unfamiliar with I'll take. When I have and extra $20 or so at the local pistol range, I'll rent a pistol I never shot before just so I know the mechanics (and have the range master run me through it). I'll do the same when going shooting with others and if offered, will shoot with unfamiliar guns; which I also ask for a "primer" before actually pulling the trigger.

That's just familiarization though. When I do train, it is with my own for the most part.

I try to stick to the Musashi principle of never have a favorite weapon and know them all. This includes a good pair of boots for getting away. 8)
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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by TDW586 » Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:08 pm

I like to be competent with a wide range of weapons. One can concentrate on a specific weapon, but it definately pays to be familiar with as many models as possible.
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Post by donjulio » Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:15 pm

I lake to familiarize myself with anything I can get my hands on. When I live in the middle of the Mojave desert it was easier to get out and shoot more firearms. I would shoot 4-5 afternoons a week. Now I have to limit my shooting to a morning once in a while at a formal range, but I still try to mix it up as much as possible.
Also, you know you don't get out to shoot enough when you have several guns that you have never fired. :oops:
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Post by pyratemime » Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:27 pm

Like all the other responses I will familiarize myself with anything I can get my hands on. For training though it is my M9 for pistol and M4 for rifle. That is also because my "training" is doing the AF qualification course for pistol and rifle whenever I am at the range.
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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by Paladin1 » Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:36 pm

I train with the same guns all the time. I've shot other guns enough to know how to check a new one out to find out how to work the controls.

But after I found ones (rifle/sidearm) that I like, I train with them exclusively. When I'm in a stressful situ and fine motor skills are gone I want manipulation of the weapons to be automatic.

I carry this over to to my other weapons. My shotgun, fighting rifle, and DMR all work the same, have the same controls.

Not that I don't take every opportunity to shoot other platforms, I just don't train with them.
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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by jare-3 » Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:15 pm

I try to keep my weapons similar. I have a 92fs (DA/SA) and wanted to add a .45 I was concerned that something in a different "family" i.e. Glock or XD would create problems when trasitioning from one to the other. I wound up with a DA/SA P-220. The feel...meaning size, trigger, and weight is pretty similar...thus making training with boh weapons relatively easy for me. Plus its a really sweet piece. Now all I need to add is some rifle work.
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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by Mr. Warren Peace » Sun Nov 09, 2008 6:21 pm

exclusively mine. if i fired yours at the range, thanks! my hand feels better on my goodies.. 8)
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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by jamoni » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:20 pm

Both. I familiarize myself with as many arms as I can, and I do plenty of fun shooting with all of my guns, but I do most of my serious shooting with my AR and my Model 19. Those are my go to guns, and my hands need to be able to work them without consulting my brain.
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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by Sig_Ocelot » Sun Nov 09, 2008 8:32 pm

TDW586 wrote:I like to be competent with a wide range of weapons. One can concentrate on a specific weapon, but it definately pays to be familiar with as many models as possible.

That's pretty much my philosophy. In truth, I mainly practice with my POF and Sig p226. Probably 80% of the time. I still shoot other semi autos (mainly Glocks) and revolvers, ARs and AKs. The only weapons I rarely train with are shotguns, because I have never been issued one nor do I use it for self defense. And lever guns, I don't like them at all. I can load and shoot one with out pinching my index finger, and that's good enough for me.
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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by congochris » Sun Nov 09, 2008 9:36 pm

I tend to stick mostly to my HK carry gun for practice. I shoot my 1911 a bit, but since it conceals pretty horribly (and I've had reliability problems with some ammo I'm trying to iron out) it's pretty much HK all the way. Also this is my carry gun due to the fact that I'm a cautious sort, and really like the fact that I can clear the pistol while it's still on safe, unlike my 1911.

As for rifles, I'm still building my AR, and I really only shoot my bolt gun, rather than my old man's rifles. It's like driving someone else's car. it's ok every once in a while, but it's not mine.

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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by Trebor » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:48 pm

I'm an instructor so my situation probably isn't typical. I think it's important for me to be familiar with any of the common firearms my students might use. I don't necessarily have to *master* them all, but I should know how to operate them and be able to make good hits. There are times when I borrow a student's firearm for a drill and nothing helps build credability then being able to outperform a student with their own gun, shot "cold." It kinda hurts the image if I gotta ask them, "what's this lever do?" first....

My main pistol is my CZ-75. I used that in both LFI-1 and LFI 2. Now I practice it enough to keep up my skills with it, but tend to use other pistols when I take training classes.

I took the SigArms Instructor class with my Sig 239 and I'm glad I did. I didn't really like the pistol much before that, but it turns out I just hadn't spent enough time with it seriously practicing. I got to know it pretty well after a week and would now trust it, and my ability to use it, as a carry gun.

On that other hand, I spent about the last year shooting my Glock 19 almost exclusively. I used it in a training class with Dave Spaulding and shoot a couple action pistol matches with it. After all that time, I still can't shoot that pistol worth a Damn, so I've pretty much given up on "learning the Glock" and gone back to the CZ for my "go to" pistol. I know how to run the Glock just fine, I just can't hit anything with it...

The next training class I take I'll probably run either my S&W Model 65 carry gun or a 1911. I'm not a 1911 guy, so running one in a class would be good for me. I *am* a revolver guy, but I realized I've never taken a class exclusively with a revolver, so that's due.

Personally, I think any "well rounded' shooter should familiar with more then just their personal favorite handgun. You don't have to necessarily shoot other guns as well as you shoot your favorite, but you should know how to operate the most common semi-autos and know how to load and unload a revolver. (I get students who shoot semi-auto's exclusively who don't even know how to open the cylinder on a revolver. That just boogles my mind)
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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by Trebor » Sun Nov 09, 2008 10:51 pm

Oh, and as far as the carry gun goes, I'm a believer in the "carry the same gun, the same way, every time" school. You don't want to have to think about where you have the gun or automatically reach for one spot only to realize that you're carrying a different gun in a different location that day.

I have changed carry guns a couple times, but each time I *completely* changed to a different gun. I don't do the, "If this is Tuesday, I must be carrying a snubbie on my ankle, or is that Weds?" thing.
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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by Ufdyixcaff » Sun Nov 09, 2008 11:00 pm

I think it is important to be familiar with anything you are likely to come across...

At the same time, I want to have ZERO doubt or confusion when its time to pull the trigger.

So, I train probably 90% with my primary weapons, 10% with "the rest"... give or take 5%ish depending on my mood.

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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by zombieassasin » Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:37 am

I shoot whatever I can get my hands on. As mentioned by others, it pays to be familiar with as many different rifles, shotguns and pistols as possible. I get together with fellow enthusiasts on a regular basis to keep our skills up, and someone always brings something new or dusty (been siting for a while, needs a good workout) and we all take the time to learn it and put some rounds on target with it. In the Navy, we called it "FamFire" (Familiarization Fire).

That being said, we all focus most of our range time on our personel primary (rifle) and secondary (handgun) weapons.

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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by Yugosaki » Mon Nov 10, 2008 1:25 pm

I can use just about any smallarm given a moment to inspect it.

But the main one I use is my glock 17. not because it's a favorite, but because it's my only pistol. I can lock it in a box, throw it in my bag, and go to the nearby pistol range. The rifles are more a day outing kinda thing, you don't drive an hour to shoot 50 rounds all by yourself.
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Post by maine1 » Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:37 pm

+1 Trebor.

I train with several guns, I want to be able to competently run/survive with any given weapon- firearm or not- that i could pick up or improvise.

My carry guns are Glocks: my primary is a Glock 21, and i have two, i also carry a G-20, and will be swapping to that full time. Training equates to all 3 guns as the size and manual of arms is the same.
I decide on one type of weapon for my use, then buy multiples of the same. I aslo shoot my students, freinds and coworkers guns.

I ALWAYS carry the gun in the same location, in only one of two holsters ( crossbreed 80% of the time, alternate for uniform carry). I do not subscribe to the "multiple guns and carries" philosophy, as it makes your brain short circut under stress.

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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by Keith B » Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:52 pm

Personally, I have found that I like to know how to safely operate as many types of firearms as possible. However, no man can truly be an expert at every type of firearm. Competent, yes. Expert, no. Take the difference in the trigger between a Sig and a 1911. One is single action only and the other is DA/SA. There is a big difference for that first trigger pull, and isn't that the on that counts the most?
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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by Trebor » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:21 pm

Just thought I'd mention that this *very* issue is one why I made "Battlefield Pick Up" the theme for the November Postal Match. I know that many shooters "get in a groove" and only shoot the firearms they are most comfortable with and wanted to give people a reason to learn some new guns.

If you're interested in this discussion, check out the match in the thread below. Go ahead and shoot it, you might learn something new as well.

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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by Wolfdude87 » Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:55 pm

I like to rent different guns when I go down to the range. I love 1911's so I rent those more often but I shoot pistols, rifles, shotguns, of all stlyes, cal./guages. But when it comes to guns I'm not one of those people who owns a whole slew of firearms. I only own one pistol. I can field strip it and put it back together in 20 sec. If it jams I can fix it (although its only ever jammed when shot by some limp wristed nub) and I could shoot it in my sleep. Only because I have this level of comfort with my gun am I now looking to buy another. I've been working on my decision for months too. So basically my point is, you should be an expert on any gun you own, but have at least a basic knowledge of how to use any gun you should run across.
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Re: One weapon or any weapon?

Post by Wolfhvnter » Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:07 pm

I train hard on a specific platform (g3), and familiarize myself with the use of the AR and AK.


I can manipulate every aspect of a g3 type weapon in my sleep. I'm used to the ergonomics, recoil, sighting, dissassembly. I don't have to think to operate the weapon. I can go from a dry mag to ready to fire in about six seconds with mag retention. (Not nearly AR time, but you try that with a g3)

I think being familiar with common platforms is good, alongside owning your main rifle.
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