I already said it was a great idea for short term survival. If all you are concerned about is you and yours then you are set until someone else has already restarted their manufacturing sectors decides you are in their way which may be never or at least not in your lifetime, but eventually the civilzation that rebuilds the fastest will have the advantage over those that do nothing.Doc Torr wrote:Describe a scenario in which me and ten of my closest friends are going to run through 50,000 rounds in our lifetimes?Junkmaster wrote:VeniVidiVici wrote:This is probably more realistic than the homebrewed chemistry labs that have been suggested in this thread.Doc Torr wrote:Buy 50,000 rounds now and don't worry about it?
That is good advice for short term survival, but the OP and underlining concern is what about in the long term when civilization completely breaks down?
Scenario A - Some type of SHTF occurs that doesn't completely break down civilization.
Scenario B - Some type of SHTF occurs that does completely break down civilization.
The above advice will serve Scenario A survivors well because all they have to do is wait until law and order are reestablished, but in a Scenario B situation no help is coming.
The concern is that you just might survive the PAW and as your 50,000 bullets begin to run out you get overrun by Russian and/or Chinese soldiers that have already rebuilt their civilizations and rearmed their soldiers.
My concern is that very few people will actually be able to restart vital manufacturing processes after a Scenario B.
It isn't the amount of ammo you stockpile, or your conservation of that ammo, it is the fact that you can not make any new ammo that is the point I'm trying to get across. The general consensus seems to be that if I can just survive the initial PAW then everything will be great, but my point is just surviving isn't enough. Surviving with a plan to rebuild should be everyone's goal.Doc Torr wrote:I'm also intent on learning bowmanship, and could probably spearhunt if I had to. My average shot is about 50 yds on a spot and stalk, and there's plenty of eating to be done without firing a single round.
It doesn't have to be foreign soldiers, it could be the next town or state over. The point is you will have a limited supply of ammo while anyone else who bothers to restart vital manufacturing sectors will have an advantage over you. You are also assuming that they will let you join them and not just kill you and take your stuff for them and theirs.Doc Torr wrote:If I get over-run by soldiers from a foreign country because their nitrocellulose production is better than mine then I'm learning Russian/Chinese. This is not Red Dawn. I cannot fight off an army. Especially one that has the logistic support to cross the Atlantic or pacific, and get regular supply trains running to support them as they conquer the US. Gimme a platoon of well-supplied Infantry Marines, and I can do soem damage, but I think a risk asse4ssment is in order. Otherwise I'll getmy nitrocellulose-loaded rounds from the bi-weekly drops from the Meatworld Express. (a subsidiary of Spicedragon Deliveries, LLC)
Still missing my point, but at the same time making it for me. Clearly I have offended you somehow by my 'ridiculous scenario' on a site that by any stretch of the imagination is based on ridiculous scenarios, so perhaps we should just leave it at you are going to stockpile while I am going to rebuild and that is perfectly fine with me.Doc Torr wrote:TL:DR Don't play WWYD with me. You're creating a ridiculous scenario to support an interest. You wanna manufacture nitro-whatever? Cool. Do it legally, far from my house, and report the results on ZS. Come backwith all ten fingers, and I owe you kudos. I'd rather stock the ammo now. Hell, 10k rounds (split between .45, 8mm, 6.8, 5.56, and .22LR) would likely be a lifetime supply for me in any PAW.
You are still assuming that they would want you as a citizen and I think Sun Tzu said it bestDoc Torr wrote:Don't look at the military service and assume I'd try to fight an entire army. If the US fell, and then we got invaded, i might just enlist with them for citizenship. Fighting off an entire army is ludicrous.
That, or I'll pull a Haji Rahman and yell "MISTA, CHOCOLATE?" when their trucks go by.
“The art of war teaches us to rely not on the likelihood of the enemy's not coming, but on our own readiness to receive him; not on the chance of his not attacking, but rather on the fact that we have made our position unassailable."