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But you know what you actually want is a Henry Long Ranger. Well-chosen wood, good fit and finish, nice trigger, detachable box mag...
I feel you there, Henry has a knack for selecting really nice looking wood. Or I could go for a Browning BLR. Man, they made a run of BLR's this year with light maple stocks and some extra nice finishing and I just drool when I see the one they have in a local shop. But it's $1,350..........
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:20 pm

I'm still wishing Winchester would release some repro Russian Contract Model 1895s.

I know they released some 1895s in .405 Winchester and .30-40 Krag, but I want one in 7.62x54r, damnit.

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Post by JeeperCreeper » Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:36 pm

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
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I'm still wishing Winchester would release some repro Russian Contract Model 1895s.

I know they released some 1895s in .405 Winchester and .30-40 Krag, but I want one in 7.62x54r, damnit.
Dude up here in the Arctic is selling mint 1895 in 30-06. I wish I needed one. They are cool
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:21 pm

JeeperCreeper wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:36 pm
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:20 pm
I'm still wishing Winchester would release some repro Russian Contract Model 1895s.

I know they released some 1895s in .405 Winchester and .30-40 Krag, but I want one in 7.62x54r, damnit.
Dude up here in the Arctic is selling mint 1895 in 30-06. I wish I needed one. They are cool
Indeed they are, JC. There's just something interesting about a lever gun in 7.62x54r or any of the other calibers the 1895 was chambered in.

An original Winchester Model 1895 Russian Contract Musket is one of my grail guns. Matter of fact, it's my number 2 grail gun.

The number one grail gun is my mother's old Colt SAA I've mentioned here many times.

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Post by JeeperCreeper » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:17 pm

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:21 pm
JeeperCreeper wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:36 pm
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:20 pm
I'm still wishing Winchester would release some repro Russian Contract Model 1895s.

I know they released some 1895s in .405 Winchester and .30-40 Krag, but I want one in 7.62x54r, damnit.
Dude up here in the Arctic is selling mint 1895 in 30-06. I wish I needed one. They are cool
Indeed they are, JC. There's just something interesting about a lever gun in 7.62x54r or any of the other calibers the 1895 was chambered in.

An original Winchester Model 1895 Russian Contract Musket is one of my grail guns. Matter of fact, it's my number 2 grail gun.

The number one grail gun is my mother's old Colt SAA I've mentioned here many times.
Has Winchester ever made a run of x54r 1895's?
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Post by Brekar » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:27 pm

Apparently between 1915 to 1917 they made something like 300,000 plus for Russia.

https://www.rockislandauction.com/detai ... e-762x54-r

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Post by JeeperCreeper » Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:45 pm

I meant like a later civilian run, I feel like it'd be a decent seller with cheap ammo.

But I guess Mosin guys aren't high end lever guys haha
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:43 pm

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I meant like a later civilian run, I feel like it'd be a decent seller with cheap ammo.

But I guess Mosin guys aren't high end lever guys haha
To my knowledge, there hasn't been any civilian models of the Model 1895 in 7.62x54r. It was pretty much a one-off run for Russia during WW1.

I've been wanting Winchester to make a repro version for years, but they haven't done so yet. We've gotten repros in .405 Winchester, .30-06 and .30-40 Krag, but nothing in 7.62x54r.

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Post by Langenator » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:17 pm

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:43 pm
JeeperCreeper wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:45 pm
I meant like a later civilian run, I feel like it'd be a decent seller with cheap ammo.

But I guess Mosin guys aren't high end lever guys haha
To my knowledge, there hasn't been any civilian models of the Model 1895 in 7.62x54r. It was pretty much a one-off run for Russia during WW1.

I've been wanting Winchester to make a repro version for years, but they haven't done so yet. We've gotten repros in .405 Winchester, .30-06 and .30-40 Krag, but nothing in 7.62x54r.
Well, the Russians probably never paid them for the guns...I know they never paid Remington and New England Westinghouse for the obr-1891s they made.
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:24 pm

Langenator wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:17 pm
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:43 pm
JeeperCreeper wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:45 pm
I meant like a later civilian run, I feel like it'd be a decent seller with cheap ammo.

But I guess Mosin guys aren't high end lever guys haha
To my knowledge, there hasn't been any civilian models of the Model 1895 in 7.62x54r. It was pretty much a one-off run for Russia during WW1.

I've been wanting Winchester to make a repro version for years, but they haven't done so yet. We've gotten repros in .405 Winchester, .30-06 and .30-40 Krag, but nothing in 7.62x54r.
Well, the Russians probably never paid them for the guns...I know they never paid Remington and New England Westinghouse for the obr-1891s they made.
If it gets me a repro Model 1895 in 7.62x54r, I'll give Winchester 50 bucks towards paying off the debt the Russians racked up.

Now I'm wondering how much cost Winchester ate when the Russians stiffed them. I'm betting it was a good bit of money.

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Post by Langenator » Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:44 pm

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:24 pm
Langenator wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:17 pm
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:43 pm
JeeperCreeper wrote:
Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:45 pm
I meant like a later civilian run, I feel like it'd be a decent seller with cheap ammo.

But I guess Mosin guys aren't high end lever guys haha
To my knowledge, there hasn't been any civilian models of the Model 1895 in 7.62x54r. It was pretty much a one-off run for Russia during WW1.

I've been wanting Winchester to make a repro version for years, but they haven't done so yet. We've gotten repros in .405 Winchester, .30-06 and .30-40 Krag, but nothing in 7.62x54r.
Well, the Russians probably never paid them for the guns...I know they never paid Remington and New England Westinghouse for the obr-1891s they made.
If it gets me a repro Model 1895 in 7.62x54r, I'll give Winchester 50 bucks towards paying off the debt the Russians racked up.

Now I'm wondering how much cost Winchester ate when the Russians stiffed them. I'm betting it was a good bit of money.
Uncle Sam bought up the stock of 1891s that Remington and Westinghouse had made that hadn't been shipped yet (still awaiting payment on the first ones when the Revolution came), which kept Remington afloat. I don't know about Westinghouse, and I don't know if Uncle Sam ended up with any 1895 muskets.
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:48 pm

I'm going to guess probably not.

If Uncle Sam did, I'm thinking the rifles were probably destroyed around the same time most of the Pedersen devices for the M1903 were.

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Post by NT2C » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:38 pm

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:48 pm
I'm going to guess probably not.

If Uncle Sam did, I'm thinking the rifles were probably destroyed around the same time most of the Pedersen devices for the M1903 were.
At least one survived. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detai ... act-musket

edit to add: At least one was made and imported after the Russian contract. https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdju ... ket-48436/

edit again: Interesting line from an American Rifleman article about them: "Many thousands were later re-imported to the United States in the early 1960s where they were sold for as little as $35." https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... an-musket/

Seems like there's a good chance of locating one eventually, Chimpski.
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:48 pm

NT2C wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:38 pm
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:48 pm
I'm going to guess probably not.

If Uncle Sam did, I'm thinking the rifles were probably destroyed around the same time most of the Pedersen devices for the M1903 were.
At least one survived. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detai ... act-musket

edit to add: At least one was made and imported after the Russian contract. https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdju ... ket-48436/

edit again: Interesting line from an American Rifleman article about them: "Many thousands were later re-imported to the United States in the early 1960s where they were sold for as little as $35." https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... an-musket/

Seems like there's a good chance of locating one eventually, Chimpski.
The messed up thing is I've found three of them over the past 14 years, but I didn't have the budget for them. Two were full rifles, one was sporterized and the sporterized one was still 2 grand.

I forget what the other two were going for, but I do recall they were over 2 grand.

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Post by MPMalloy » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:55 pm

Has anyone in CHAT shot "38 special mid range"? I've never heard of the "mid-range" part. Is it just normal .38 Spcl?

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Post by Langenator » Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:58 am

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:48 pm
NT2C wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:38 pm
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:48 pm
I'm going to guess probably not.

If Uncle Sam did, I'm thinking the rifles were probably destroyed around the same time most of the Pedersen devices for the M1903 were.
At least one survived. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detai ... act-musket

edit to add: At least one was made and imported after the Russian contract. https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdju ... ket-48436/

edit again: Interesting line from an American Rifleman article about them: "Many thousands were later re-imported to the United States in the early 1960s where they were sold for as little as $35." https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... an-musket/

Seems like there's a good chance of locating one eventually, Chimpski.
The messed up thing is I've found three of them over the past 14 years, but I didn't have the budget for them. Two were full rifles, one was sporterized and the sporterized one was still 2 grand.

I forget what the other two were going for, but I do recall they were over 2 grand.
Sounds like me and 1941 Johnsons...except those started at just north of $4k...
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Post by NT2C » Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:01 am

12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:48 pm
NT2C wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:38 pm
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:48 pm
I'm going to guess probably not.

If Uncle Sam did, I'm thinking the rifles were probably destroyed around the same time most of the Pedersen devices for the M1903 were.
At least one survived. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detai ... act-musket

edit to add: At least one was made and imported after the Russian contract. https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdju ... ket-48436/

edit again: Interesting line from an American Rifleman article about them: "Many thousands were later re-imported to the United States in the early 1960s where they were sold for as little as $35." https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... an-musket/

Seems like there's a good chance of locating one eventually, Chimpski.
The messed up thing is I've found three of them over the past 14 years, but I didn't have the budget for them. Two were full rifles, one was sporterized and the sporterized one was still 2 grand.

I forget what the other two were going for, but I do recall they were over 2 grand.
Well, if you hit the lottery I have bidding accounts at the three major auction houses. We can go shopping! :awesome:
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Post by MPMalloy » Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:34 am

NT2C wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:01 am
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:48 pm
NT2C wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:38 pm
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:48 pm
I'm going to guess probably not. If Uncle Sam did, I'm thinking the rifles were probably destroyed around the same time most of the Pedersen devices for the M1903 were.
At least one survived. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detai ... act-musket

edit to add: At least one was made and imported after the Russian contract. https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdju ... ket-48436/

edit again: Interesting line from an American Rifleman article about them: "Many thousands were later re-imported to the United States in the early 1960s where they were sold for as little as $35." https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... an-musket/

Seems like there's a good chance of locating one eventually, Chimpski.
The messed up thing is I've found three of them over the past 14 years, but I didn't have the budget for them. Two were full rifles, one was sporterized and the sporterized one was still 2 grand. I forget what the other two were going for, but I do recall they were over 2 grand.
Well, if you hit the lottery I have bidding accounts at the three major auction houses. We can go shopping! :awesome:
What are the names of those houses? I think I have RIA bookmarked.

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Post by NT2C » Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:44 am

MPMalloy wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 8:34 am
NT2C wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:01 am
12_Gauge_Chimp wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:48 pm
NT2C wrote:
Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:38 pm

At least one survived. https://www.rockislandauction.com/detai ... act-musket

edit to add: At least one was made and imported after the Russian contract. https://www.morphyauctions.com/jamesdju ... ket-48436/

edit again: Interesting line from an American Rifleman article about them: "Many thousands were later re-imported to the United States in the early 1960s where they were sold for as little as $35." https://www.americanrifleman.org/articl ... an-musket/

Seems like there's a good chance of locating one eventually, Chimpski.
The messed up thing is I've found three of them over the past 14 years, but I didn't have the budget for them. Two were full rifles, one was sporterized and the sporterized one was still 2 grand. I forget what the other two were going for, but I do recall they were over 2 grand.
Well, if you hit the lottery I have bidding accounts at the three major auction houses. We can go shopping! :awesome:
What are the names of those houses? I think I have RIA bookmarked.
RIA, Morphy, and James J. Julia. Sometimes the wife even allows me to place bids. :awesome:
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Post by MPMalloy » Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:02 am

From NPR: Walmart Yanks Guns Off Shelves Citing Rising Tensions

Yeah, this is * being responsible, at least on the surface. I find a bit of an odor...not able to articulate more, atm.

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Post by RickOShea » Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:51 pm

Looks like SHOT 2021 has been cancelled.
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Has anyone in CHAT shot "38 special mid range"? I've never heard of the "mid-range" part. Is it just normal .38 Spcl?
From what I understand it's the name for the 148 grain wadcutter load. Not sure why they call it mid-range, as it's some of the lightest loads you can do up in 38 special. Although- in a short barrel gun you often don't get expansion anyway, so may as well choose a bullet with enough mass to get penetration- it's proven to be an effective low recoil defensive load over the years as well.

I actually just loaded up 300 of them for my sweetie who is rather recoil sensitive as practice rounds. Low recoil and they group well in the guns I have tried them in.
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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:15 pm

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Looks like SHOT 2021 has been cancelled.
Maybe they can do a virtual SHOT Show instead.

In other news, I've fixed the set of CZ 527 scope rings I got lucky and found in a rifle case I picked up at a yard sale.

Turns out the screws I was missing are exactly the same size as on a set of Weaver Quad Lock 1" rings. The thread pitch was just slightly different, but not by a whole lot. The screws are now fitted to the rings, so I guess all is well.

10 bucks later and I've got a 100 dollar set of CZ factory rings for a gun I don't have yet.

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Post by RickOShea » Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:19 pm

MPMalloy wrote:
Fri Oct 30, 2020 11:02 am
From NPR: Walmart Yanks Guns Off Shelves Citing Rising Tensions

Yeah, this is * being responsible, at least on the surface. I find a bit of an odor...not able to articulate more, atm.
The Hill - Walmart reverses decision to remove guns, ammo from sales floors

Walmart announced Friday that it would be reversing its decision to remove guns and ammunition from its sales floors in anticipation of civil unrest in the lead-up to Election Day.

..."After civil unrest earlier this week resulted in damage to several of our stores, consistent with actions we took over the summer, we asked stores to move firearms and ammunition from the sales floor to a secure location in the back of the store in an abundance of caution. As the current incidents have remained geographically isolated, we have made the decision to begin returning these products to the sales floor today."
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