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To bayonet or not. That is the question.

Post by The Twizzler » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:39 pm

So I just purchased a Mosin (1939 Tula) for 145.00 and a used delica 4 in trade :P . I have owned one in the past but this one did not include a bayonet. Should I buy one?
Second question is I have a 1962 Ishapore Enfield I want to buy a bayonet for anyone know which model and year fits it? I get conflicting info from the webs.
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Post by taipan821 » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:57 pm

which variant of the Ishapore do you have, the Isphapore 2A/2A1 rifles were introduced in 1963 and a British pattern 1907 sword bayonet could be fitted to them.

alternatively, see if someone has a few british bayonets and try them on for size...maybe add some to the knife collection?
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Post by The Twizzler » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:01 pm

Sorry, it is a 1964 2A model after checking.
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Post by ManInBlack316 » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:38 pm

Absolutely, because now you have a spear and a rifle! :clap:

Seriously, unless it's just for giggles, what's the interest? I don't think a Mosin bayonet works good as a knife unlike a few other bayonets.

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Post by The Twizzler » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:51 pm

I know it is not all that usefull but I just want one especialy for the enfield.
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Post by aikorob » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:09 am

always bayonet..................
if for no other reason than the extreme butthurt it causes to some ideologies
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Post by Ad'lan » Wed Aug 17, 2016 5:00 am

I have a 1907 pattern sword bayonet that I want to get a rifle that fits for.

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Post by taipan821 » Wed Aug 17, 2016 6:10 am

classic sword bayonets are the best.

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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Wed Aug 17, 2016 10:13 am

That's one thing I love about my Mosin. It's basically a five foot long spear that just happens to be able to fire bullets. :clap:

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Post by Black Beard » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:57 am

I seem go remember something about mosin sights being designed for the rifle with a bayonet. Different elevation without it.

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Post by quazi » Wed Aug 17, 2016 1:58 pm

The price of surplus rifles has been going up, and the price of decent new production rifles has been coming down. I think these days if I was going to purchase a surplus rifle it would be more for the cool/historical/collectible factor, and considering that I would like a bayonet to go with it.

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Post by 12_Gauge_Chimp » Wed Aug 17, 2016 4:25 pm

Black Beard wrote:I seem go remember something about mosin sights being designed for the rifle with a bayonet. Different elevation without it.
I've fired my Mosin with and without the bayonet attached (I have an M91/30) and it didn't seem to make a difference in regards to accuracy.

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Post by TheWarriorMax » Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:05 am

The most beautiful thing in the world is a 303 SMLE with bayonet attached.
Marines use bayonets. Good enough for me.
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Post by Black Beard » Fri Aug 19, 2016 8:54 am

Mosin sights and bayonets explained:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/arch ... 01231.html

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Post by mikeb » Sat Sep 17, 2016 6:53 pm

TheWarriorMax wrote:The most beautiful thing in the world is a 303 SMLE with bayonet attached.
Marines use bayonets. Good enough for me.
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Post by flybynight » Sat Sep 17, 2016 9:51 pm

Whole purpose of the longarm is to keep my adversary out of knife range.

Before posting that opinion I looked up bayonet charge and near as I can see the last U S bayonet charge took place in Korean war
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Post by The Twizzler » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:34 pm

For Americans yes but the British last charged with bayonets in Iraq in 2004.
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I also believe a squad of Blackwater soldiers charged with bayonets around the same time but am unable to find a link.
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Post by The Twizzler » Sat Sep 17, 2016 10:40 pm

If you run out of ammo and won't surrender this is a feasible option. I believe during the Falklands and Iraq and Afganistan wars The Nepalese under British command after running out of ammo attacked with their Kukaris. I would say if you watch the documentary on you tube they prefer to kill hand to hand.I am glad I don't have to fight them.
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Post by ROCK6 » Sun Sep 18, 2016 6:24 am

In some cultures, blades get more respect than firearms. I have a half-dozen or so mil-surplus rifles with bayonets (A few SMLE’s, Mosin, M1 carbine, Spanish FR8 carbine, etc.) that I could see in specific roles. As a simple eye-challenge when guarding a road block or out in front of a house, it draws a certain level of attention. If detaining personnel, the pointy thing is pretty intimidating; for close-quarters (if out of ammo), those old steel and wood clubs with a spear on the end can be quite devastating.

Of course, everything is relative, but if you have an old surplus rifle that could accept a bayonet, why not? It doesn’t have to be attached, but does give you more options. Of course, you won’t be doing any fire and movement techniques with a six-foot rifle and bayonet! They can be a little unwieldly and awkward outside of a stand and thrust posture. I always found it interesting that you could sit around with some Afghan villagers or soldiers and with all sorts of firearms around, the discussion would often turn to knives and showing off various blades…something about sharp edges that gets more attention than firearms…

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Post by sheddi » Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:34 am

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Post by Stercutus » Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:58 pm

The Twizzler wrote:If you run out of ammo and won't surrender this is a feasible option. I believe during the Falklands and Iraq and Afganistan wars The Nepalese under British command after running out of ammo attacked with their Kukaris. I would say if you watch the documentary on you tube they prefer to kill hand to hand.I am glad I don't have to fight them.
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Actually it was the British under British command that ran out of ammo and fixed bayonets. That was in May 2004 in Basrah. About 20 militia men were bayoneted to death in the battle.

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Post by The Twizzler » Mon Sep 19, 2016 8:37 pm

I think we are saying the same thing. My second post about the Nepalese was just trying to point out a sharp bit of metal with a handle is still deadly and used in wars, even today. I had just finished watching a doc on the Gurkahs(sp?) on you tube.
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Post by woodsghost » Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:05 pm

With the riots and such going on in American cities of late, I feel a bayonet might be a handy addition to the weapon you are guarding your neighborhood with. Not so much because you intend to poke protesters (though that would be an option), but more for the deterrent value. I can't imagine many of the "peaceful protesters" wanting to get entangled with armed citizens ready to poke them with pointy boom sticks.
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Post by The Twizzler » Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:26 pm

That might be a legal problem and I am no lawyer mind you ( I have some basic decency). If you attached a bayonet as a civilian it might be considered brandishing a weapon. Now I live in TN so I would probably :?: be ok. If you lived in NY city or San Fran good luck. Bayonets aren't that great if used singularly(if they have a bat or stick they are gonna bat it away) but in mass line they can be.


woodsghost wrote:With the riots and such going on in American cities of late, I feel a bayonet might be a handy addition to the weapon you are guarding your neighborhood with. Not so much because you intend to poke protesters (though that would be an option), but more for the deterrent value. I can't imagine many of the "peaceful protesters" wanting to get entangled with armed citizens ready to poke them with pointy boom sticks.
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