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Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 11:26 am
by 12_Gauge_Chimp
chills1994 wrote:Go back to your local Walmart(s) and have the manager or sporting goods person take their laser scanner gun and actually scan the bar code.

Then ask them what price it shows.

A dude in AR15.com scored two magpul equipped Colt 6920's for $500 each.

I was able to score one plain jane 6920 a couple of Fridays ago for $750 out the door.

Then I went to another Walmart and they had a 6940 that I should have pounced on:

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt11 ... ki77v5.jpg

(The forum software doesn't like the size of that pic)
I would if I had some free money, Chills. All my money is tied up in bills, fixing my truck and making sure I don't lose the plot of land I bought a few months back.

Besides, I'm more interested in buying another AK since I've got a ton of ammo and mags for the platform.

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:02 pm
by chills1994
Ahhh...okay...

My post above wasn't like directly pointed at you, but rather an overall statement for anybody else who is "listening".

With Walmart employees you have to be very proactive almost to the point of being aggressive.

I called one store and talked to one sporting goods guy and asked if they had any Colt AR's in stock. I got a very kurt "NO!" As a response. So I said thanks anyway and hung up . Something was making my gut instinct flare up about that first phone call so I called back 15 minutes later. I told a different sporting goods guy, "I just called a few minutes ago looking for Colt AR's, so now I am wondering if you any AR's in general???" This other sporting goods guy goes, "Oh, you were looking for Colt rifles? Yeah, we got one. Let me look...it says it is a Colt "KAR-BYE-N", whatever that is." Then I asked him, "Is it all black plastic and black metal?" He said "yes".

Anyway...some other guys were scoring Bushmasters or DPMS Sporticals for $250, and Windhams for $350.

Here in Illinois with our FOID check through the Illinois State Police and the 24 hour wait for long guns, Walmart has this policy of giving prospective gun buyers 30 days after they have been notified that they have been approved by the State Police, to come back and actually pay for the gun and pick it up. So it is almost like lay-away.


Now, I am kicking myself for not buying that 6940 when I had the chance. I don't have anything with rails on it. :(

Again, not necessarily directed at you 12_gauge_chimp, but to anyone else who is following along.

EDIT: also looks like wally world is clearance'ing out their red dot sights, Nikon rifle scopes, and Surefire flashlights, even the ones that mount to a pistol's rails underneath.

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 3:06 pm
by 12_Gauge_Chimp
chills1994 wrote:Ahhh...okay...

My post above wasn't like directly pointed at you, but rather an overall statement for anybody else who is "listening".

With Walmart employees you have to be very proactive almost to the point of being aggressive.

I called one store and talked to one sporting goods guy and asked if they had any Colt AR's in stock. I got a very kurt "NO!" As a response. So I said thanks anyway and hung up . Something was making my gut instinct flare up about that first phone call so I called back 15 minutes later. I told a different sporting goods guy, "I just called a few minutes ago looking for Colt AR's, so now I am wondering if you any AR's in general???" This other sporting goods guy goes, "Oh, you were looking for Colt rifles? Yeah, we got one. Let me look...it says it is a Colt "KAR-BYE-N", whatever that is." Then I asked him, "Is it all black plastic and black metal?" He said "yes".

Anyway...some other guys were scoring Bushmasters or DPMS Sporticals for $250, and Windhams for $350.

Here in Illinois with our FOID check through the Illinois State Police and the 24 hour wait for long guns, Walmart has this policy of giving prospective gun buyers 30 days after they have been notified that they have been approved by the State Police, to come back and actually pay for the gun and pick it up. So it is almost like lay-away.


Now, I am kicking myself for not buying that 6940 when I had the chance. I don't have anything with rails on it. :(

Again, nit necessarily directed at you 12_gauge_chimp, but to anyone else who is following along.
No worries, Chills.

I was still half-asleep when I posted that, so forgive me if I sounded a little pissy.

Thanks for the heads up on cheap ARs, by the way. I might have to let some of my friends (and possibly my brother, who still owes me a good chunk of money) know about the deals.

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 4:37 pm
by Dogan
chills1994 wrote: Anyway...some other guys were scoring Bushmasters or DPMS Sporticals for $250, and Windhams for $350.
:oh:

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:47 pm
by Dave_M
So this trigger is baller. Expensive, but holy hell
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Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 6:56 pm
by Dogan
Dave_M wrote:So this trigger is baller. Expensive, but holy hell
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I just saw that on Facebook. Gonna go read it now.

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:20 pm
by chills1994
Dogan wrote:
chills1994 wrote: Anyway...some other guys were scoring Bushmasters or DPMS Sporticals for $250, and Windhams for $350.
:oh:
Here is one guy's score:

http://i.imgur.com/kNs6sfa.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XJPqkOv.jpg

And the receiptt:

http://i.imgur.com/HFi98vB.jpg

(Again , the forum software hates the size of the pics. What's up with that?)

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:22 pm
by Doctorr Fabulous
chills1994 wrote:
Dogan wrote:
chills1994 wrote: Anyway...some other guys were scoring Bushmasters or DPMS Sporticals for $250, and Windhams for $350.
:oh:
Here is one guy's score:

http://i.imgur.com/kNs6sfa.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XJPqkOv.jpg

And the receiptt:

http://i.imgur.com/HFi98vB.jpg

(Again , the forum software hates the size of the pics. What's up with that?)
I've seen plenty of them...on armslist today

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:26 pm
by chills1994
New periodical out on the racks at wally world. It is called "Wheels Afield". It is another Intermedia Outdoors publication.

The outside cover has the same dusty paper feel as Recoil magazine's front cover.

They just had to put a Range Rover Defender on the front cover too. They have some articles on guns too.

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:27 pm
by chills1994
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:
chills1994 wrote:
Dogan wrote:
chills1994 wrote: Anyway...some other guys were scoring Bushmasters or DPMS Sporticals for $250, and Windhams for $350.
:oh:
Here is one guy's score:

http://i.imgur.com/kNs6sfa.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XJPqkOv.jpg

And the receiptt:

http://i.imgur.com/HFi98vB.jpg

(Again , the forum software hates the size of the pics. What's up with that?)
I've seen plenty of them...on armslist today
Yep, not surprising.

I am guessing that on Armslist they are probably marked up to the same original prices Walmart had them at 2 months ago???

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:38 pm
by Doctorr Fabulous
chills1994 wrote:
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:
chills1994 wrote: Here is one guy's score:

http://i.imgur.com/kNs6sfa.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XJPqkOv.jpg

And the receiptt:

http://i.imgur.com/HFi98vB.jpg

(Again , the forum software hates the size of the pics. What's up with that?)
I've seen plenty of them...on armslist today
Yep, not surprising.

I am guessing that on Armslist they are probably marked up to the same original prices Walmart had them at 2 months ago???
Or dressed out with old parts from someone's workbench and marked up.

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 12:23 pm
by 12_Gauge_Chimp
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:
chills1994 wrote:
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:
chills1994 wrote: Here is one guy's score:

http://i.imgur.com/kNs6sfa.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/XJPqkOv.jpg

And the receiptt:

http://i.imgur.com/HFi98vB.jpg

(Again , the forum software hates the size of the pics. What's up with that?)
I've seen plenty of them...on armslist today
Yep, not surprising.

I am guessing that on Armslist they are probably marked up to the same original prices Walmart had them at 2 months ago???
Or dressed out with old parts from someone's workbench and marked up.
Sounds like one of the local gun boards I'm on.

I've seen guys try to sell base model Bushmasters and DPMS' at Noveske or Daniel Defense prices.

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 1:41 am
by Dave_M
Hit the range today. Unpacking my bag I realized it was like a Glock and Surefire catalog got together and had an orgy. :rofl:

I took a pic of it but it's not on my phone

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:55 am
by chills1994
Do AR sales seem flat to you?

Are these the salad days?

What is going to be the next big thing?

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2015 12:24 pm
by TheLastOne
The presidential election will be the next big thing and leading up to it will be the insanity uhhgain

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 12:57 am
by 0122358
time to buy ammo, lowers, and mags


OH and I bought my first steel target the other day

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 7:17 am
by chills1994
I picked up my second Colt 6920 last night from a Walmart 60 miles away.

They even dropped another $100 off it since when I first showed up to their store and got the ball rolling for the Illinois State Police background/FOID card check.

So it was like $657 out the door. :)

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 10:12 am
by chills1994
Ernest Langdon doing the F.A.S.T. drill:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGJZRapjzOo

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 11:12 am
by Langenator
chills1994 wrote:Do AR sales seem flat to you?

Are these the salad days?

What is going to be the next big thing?
I was an RO at the FNH USA 3-gun match last week. During the staff meeting, it was noted by the match director (an FN employee) that sales were slowing across the industry, not just in ARs.

Personally, I think there was definitely a post-Newtown/Obama re-election bubble, with the subsequent high rate of sales lasting for significantly longer than previous panic-buying episodes. That is now slowing down and tapering off.

There is also the underlying element of the expansion of CCW and constitutional carry laws, along with the expanding view that when the solid excrement hits the rotating air circulation blade, the .gov isn't going to be there to protect you, which had led to a modest increase in gun ownership. How much this will mean as far as increased sustained sales of guns and gun-related products in defining the 'new normal' remains to be seen.

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:52 am
by Doctorr Fabulous
So I jsut saw this three times on three different social media sites: http://gizmodo.com/this-clip-on-handgun ... 1730039256

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Work with me under the assumption that this device is rigorously tested and shown not to cause or increase the rate of failure or pose any additional danger. Assume that the law evolves to understand that it's employed under the assumption of lethal force and treated as such, despite being intended to be less lethal, and assume that it's cheap enough that you can use a trainer version to learn the POA difference, if any. Would you use it? Why or why not?

Assuming, then, that the law evolved to protect those using LTLs in place of lethal force, would you consider other LTL alternaitves as a "first strike" in HD or carry scenarios? Why or why not?

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:26 pm
by 12_Gauge_Chimp
I've seen the same thing on YouTube, Doc.

To me, it seems like a gimmick and will probably stay one like that RIP ammo and others like it.

In a personal defense type situation, I'd be more likely to use conventional ammo, but I can see how this could be used in like a riot or civil unrest type scenario. Assuming it all works properly and isn't misused like some of the other riot stopping stuff out there.

ETA: Anyone who uses one of those Hogue Hand-all rubber grips, how do you keep it from sliding off your weapon ?

I've got one on my 22/45 pistol and I have to keep readjusting it after handling my pistol. It's getting annoying and I'm almost tempted to just remove it.

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:40 pm
by TheLastOne
I think it would be tough to convince anyone that it would not impede following rounds 100% of the time. But, like you said, assuming everything was kosher I'd still believe that Leo's would prefer a separate system for non lethal. As for me as a hd/ sd system: I'm not sure I have any business having a ltl option that doesn't include plain old physical force.

Even if it's just not for me, I think if I was confident less than lethal was my best option I would want more assurance than just one round. Somebody who just needs subdued probably goes to someone who needs lethal force pretty quick if they take a metal ball to the body. What guarantee of deterrence does this one ball provide? I guess not much in my mind I think a separate system is required.

Eta

How about deployment? Does one run this on all the time and have to fire through it in any scenario? Do we feel there is time in any scenario to add or remove it from the weapon? Again, separate system.

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:51 pm
by 12_Gauge_Chimp
Has anyone else here that runs a Glock noticed that some mags rattle a bit when loaded ?

I've got a pair of G21 mags I got from the local Cabela's and I noticed they rattle a bit when loaded. I checked some of my other mags purchased at other stores and none of them rattle, just the Cabela's mags.

I swapped the springs in one mag with an extra I had from when I bought a Kriss Super V mag kit and I noticed the mag still rattles, but not as much as before.

Did I get a bad pair of mags from Cabela's or is this a common occurrence with Glock mags ?

Re: Firearms Chat 3: #pewpewlife

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:18 pm
by KGBrick
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:Work with me under the assumption that this device is rigorously tested and shown not to cause or increase the rate of failure or pose any additional danger. Assume that the law evolves to understand that it's employed under the assumption of lethal force and treated as such, despite being intended to be less lethal, and assume that it's cheap enough that you can use a trainer version to learn the POA difference, if any. Would you use it? Why or why not?
If I understand your statements correctly, my answer here is no. In a situation in which my actions are legally considered lethal force (even if the intent of the device or action is non-lethal) I would not choose to use a (theoretically) less than lethal solution. The situation in which this happens has already met the requirements for lawful exercise of lethal force and I probably either have already yelled my head off at a lone assailant hoping he doesn't make me shoot him, or in the case of multiple assailants, close quarters, threat to others, or other complications, I have fear that the use of less than maximum force may endanger whoever I am protecting. Some other concerns with the device are addressed in the next bit.
Doctorr Fabulous wrote:Assuming, then, that the law evolved to protect those using LTLs in place of lethal force, would you consider other LTL alternaitves as a "first strike" in HD or carry scenarios? Why or why not?
Here I'm a bit confused so I'll answer this in two parts.

In the case of the specific device mentioned I would not use it in any situation ever. Even were it recognized as LTL and LTL were legally protected, the device only functions once and the next repetition of the same action becomes lethal force.
This creates a complex multi-part problem. First, I have no idea what is really going to happen the first time I am in a situation where I feel forced to point a gun at someone and pull the trigger. Will I act as I have in other emergencies and maintain enough mental distance to analyze the effect of the LTL device before deciding if the situation has become lethal? Or will adrenaline take control of my finger and continue pulling the trigger unit the threat is so obviously not a threat that I calm down? This would tend to produce a corpse - somewhat awkward in a LTL situation. Second, I'm not sure training could exist that would satisfy me of my ability to fire a first, nonlethal shot, then absolutely not for any reason shoot a second time without reassessing the situation. Last, what does the joker at whom I just pointed a gun and pulled the trigger think of things? He may now be in such fear of his life (does he even recognize the device as LTL? does he have an acquired or trained automatic response to being shot at?) as to cause the situation to unnecessarily move away from LTL to one where lethal force is lawful (possibly lawful for both people!).

With respect to other LTL devices or forces there are other concerns. Anything that may trigger firearms habits (does that tazer work like a firearm? did I just draw my pistol and put holes in this poor bastard?) is a potential training problem. Things with fewer innate problems like pepper spray could have its place. Of course, martial arts training definitely has its place when one can meet the situational requirements for keeping such skill honed. The use of these as a "first strike" is where things really get sticky in my view.
In home defense no; my first strike is yelling real fucking loud that miscreants had best expeditiously hug the floor or make non-threatening haste towards the egress. If a villain is in my occupied home the situation is already too hot for using and then assessing the effects of LTL; I have family nearby to protect and the threat has shown either exceptional (even for a criminal) lack of judgement in entering an occupied dwelling or exceptional (even for a criminal) disregard for the lives of others in entering said home while armed to take what he wants.
In a carry situation I might consider some LTL options but the problems of training (time, money, proximity to quality educators or training facilities) are still there, the situations can be very complicated, and I'm kinda running out of steam after all this writing, so this one gets a "maybe" and my apologies for not doing this category the service I did for the others.


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