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Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by Doc Strange » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:22 pm

Most burglaries/home invasions/zombie infestations start with kicked in doors or broken windows. You could save up to buy a steel door -- but that's not the real solution. It's the door jamb that breaks, or the hinges simply tear out of it. Soooooo -- buy a larger strike plate for your door -- one foot long (Lowes, Home Depot) or (my personal favorite) a 4' long Strikemaster Pro. The latter comes with the long screws you need to replace the ones on your hinges. For windows, you can get film (Shatter Safe and other vendors) that will make it harder for someone to break through. They will either go somewhere else (you didn't tell your neighbors to do this, did you?) or you will have lots of time to arm and get ready to defend yourself.

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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by maldon007 » Wed Aug 17, 2011 2:41 pm

This has been covered here ad nauseum, use the search feature! Security upgrades/hardening doors/etc.
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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by Grey Mann » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:00 pm

Doc Strange, are you about to tell us all about how amazing it is to have just upgraded to Windows 98? :lol:

Welcome to the forum, but please search (as suggested above) before posting. Also, stop by the Introduction section and share a bit about yourself.

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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by rakkFO » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:39 am

Thanks for sharing! Even if it has been covered this forum gives me new ideas every day. I would not have randomly thought to search door hardening but since you posted it gave me something to research and stimulated thought.

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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by Str8Shooter » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:13 am

rakkFO wrote:Thanks for sharing! Even if it has been covered this forum gives me new ideas every day. I would not have randomly thought to search door hardening but since you posted it gave me something to research and stimulated thought.
+1

Being a newbie poster to this forum myself I think it's so welcoming that longtime members feel the need to pile-on when someone makes what appears to be a newbie mistake. Having experienced this myself I'll assume the OP did search and just was unable to find what he was looking for as was in my case but the thread I started http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopi ... 14&t=82698" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; was closed before I could even respond?????

So welcome to the forum Doc and don't worry about it!
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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by Shaper » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:34 am

I don't think it is the fact that he posted about this topic. He simply brought nothing new to the table as far as this topic has been covered.

If he searched the topic then found that a new sweet ass product had not been talked about or if a specific entry point or safety aspect had not been adressed, then he could proceed in adding facts and opinions to a previous discussion, or create a new topic if need be.

Or perhaps if the OP had a recent personal experience involving home security or a product review that would also be a benefit to the forums. It's nothing personal, it just keeps the boards from being diluted, and actually makes getting information you are searching more difficult or tedious.

Imagine searching for a topic that has 1000 threads that all have similar info, but only one or two of those threads actually have the information you need.
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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by Str8Shooter » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:45 am

Shaper wrote:I don't think it is the fact that he posted about this topic. He simply brought nothing new to the table as far as this topic has been covered. If he searched the topic then found that a new sweet ass product had not been talked about or if a specific entry point or safety aspect had not been adressed.

Then he could proceed in adding facts and opinions to a previous discussion, or create a new topic if need be. If the OP had a recent personal experience involving home security or a product review that would also be a benefit to the forums. It's nothing personal, it just keeps the boards from being diluted, and actually makes getting information you are searching more difficult or tedious.

Imagine searching for a topic that has 1000 threads that all have similar info, but only one or two of those threads actually have the information you need.
I agree with most of what you said, and if it's been covered than a mod can delete or merge the posts. It's the piling on that I was addressing.
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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by maldon007 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:46 am

First, as far as piling on, that was a pretty mild pile on, for the internet... Might be a stretch to even call it piling on, since only one post was even slightly derogitory (mine was not). And the slightly derogitory one ended with- "...but please search (as suggested above) before posting. Also, stop by the Introduction section and share a bit about yourself.
Have a good one." ...Which is pretty friendly, for a pile-on.

Second, his post was different than yours, you post was a question (which probably could have run it's course, but I'm not a mod, so what do I know). His was a statement, telling everyone how it should be, without checking to see if it was already common knowledge around here... And on his first or second post. It seemed obvious he hadn't read up at ALL on here, but just ran in yelling "Hey, I know stuff that you don't!" Like walking into walmart & telling them "You know, if you price items low, a lot of people will buy your stuff :wink: "

Anyway, just trying to say, read up, look at a lot of posts, there is a lot to learn here and usually something to teach... But assume people here are as smart as you :lol:






edit: btw, not trying to pile on!!!
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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by Vicarious_Lee » Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:48 pm

I really love this stuff:

http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopi ... jamb+armor" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by Electricity » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:07 pm

Everytime I try and post in this topic, it tells me that I must construct additional pylons...?







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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by maldon007 » Thu Aug 25, 2011 3:16 pm

Please don't bring pylons into a pile on, it makes it hard to pile on, with all these pylons.
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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by Shaper » Thu Aug 25, 2011 7:11 pm

maldon007 wrote:Please don't bring pylons into a pile on, it makes it hard to pile on, with all these pylons.
Oww...Post make Shaper head hurt.
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Post by Chantrea » Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:27 pm

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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by Shaper » Fri Aug 26, 2011 7:58 pm

Chantrea wrote:Please be hospitable to our newcomers, at least in this section. If there's a problem, flag a post and report it, or feel free to PM me.
Sure thing. :oops:
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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by IceWing » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:58 am

I'm actually going to point something out from personal experience...

We had steel doors one the backdoor and the detached garage at our old place. One of them, I build the frame myself (salvaged door), the other was a reinforced frame.

The damn copper thieves got through both of them. NOT because the frame were weak, but because they actually battered the doors themselves down...

The door guy who came out for the estimate said in all his years, he's never seen that happen.

One the garage door, they actually used a landscaping timber as a battering ram and must have worked on it for at least 30 minutes... Eventually, the deadbolt shaft BENT.

The back door, they battered at it so much that the door itself is warped (2 bends in it, approx 30 degrees apiece.)

I'll post pics if I remember to take some before the back door gets replaced...

My point is, no defense is perfect, and if they want to get in bad enough, they will.

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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by Shaper » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:44 am

IceWing wrote:I'm actually going to point something out from personal experience...

We had steel doors one the backdoor and the detached garage at our old place. One of them, I build the frame myself (salvaged door), the other was a reinforced frame.

The damn copper thieves got through both of them. NOT because the frame were weak, but because they actually battered the doors themselves down...

The door guy who came out for the estimate said in all his years, he's never seen that happen.

One the garage door, they actually used a landscaping timber as a battering ram and must have worked on it for at least 30 minutes... Eventually, the deadbolt shaft BENT.

The back door, they battered at it so much that the door itself is warped (2 bends in it, approx 30 degrees apiece.)

I'll post pics if I remember to take some before the back door gets replaced...

My point is, no defense is perfect, and if they want to get in bad enough, they will.

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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by LBB » Fri Sep 23, 2011 11:50 am

I don't know if you guys ever have seen what they have in Germany to shut down the house.

Its something called Rolladen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMjoJKjGEE8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Shaper » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:13 pm

LBB wrote:I don't know if you guys ever have seen what they have in Germany to shut down the house.

Its something called Rolladen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMjoJKjGEE8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I dig it!...I wonder if there is an American company that produces, or at least imports something similar?
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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by IceWing » Fri Sep 23, 2011 1:34 pm

Shaper wrote:
LBB wrote:I don't know if you guys ever have seen what they have in Germany to shut down the house.

Its something called Rolladen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMjoJKjGEE8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I dig it!...I wonder if there is an American company that produces, or at least imports something similar?
If my google fu is strong, that actually IS an American company, based out of Las Vegas.

http://www.rolladenlv.com/location.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by Equuleus » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:57 pm

I have to admit, the chick in that video is very cute.

My MIL has those on all of her windows for hurricane shutters. They work great and come with a battery backup pack that you plug into the wall and move them up or down. When we get down there for vacation we usually put them down in the room we are sleeping in and tend to sleep a lot longer than we should as they block out ALL light and some noise.
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Re: Harden Your Doors and Windows

Post by Shaper » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:59 pm

IceWing wrote:
Shaper wrote:
LBB wrote:I don't know if you guys ever have seen what they have in Germany to shut down the house.

Its something called Rolladen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMjoJKjGEE8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I dig it!...I wonder if there is an American company that produces, or at least imports something similar?
If my google fu is strong, that actually IS an American company, based out of Las Vegas.

http://www.rolladenlv.com/location.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by LBB » Sun Oct 02, 2011 9:53 pm

Shaper wrote:
IceWing wrote:
Shaper wrote:
LBB wrote:I don't know if you guys ever have seen what they have in Germany to shut down the house.

Its something called Rolladen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMjoJKjGEE8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I dig it!...I wonder if there is an American company that produces, or at least imports something similar?
If my google fu is strong, that actually IS an American company, based out of Las Vegas.

http://www.rolladenlv.com/location.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ice
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Be aware, in Germany they have two different kinds.
The metal ones and the plastic ones.

But both have the protection that they can't be pushed up, or only with a carjack or similar.

And yes, there are some that can't be pushed up at all.

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Post by Confucius » Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:14 pm

LBB wrote:I don't know if you guys ever have seen what they have in Germany to shut down the house.

Its something called Rolladen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMjoJKjGEE8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Pretty sure a Rolladen in actually a tasty meat roll stuffed with pickles and bacon... But I digest...

I wonder if there is any recourse for fires and the like? Because it would kind of suck to be stuck inside during an emergency. That in itself is something to consider about hardening a house, if someone legitimately wants to do harm to you and yours a bit of gasoline will go a long ways towards that.

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Post by NT2C » Wed Oct 26, 2011 10:27 am

Confucius wrote:
LBB wrote:I don't know if you guys ever have seen what they have in Germany to shut down the house.

Its something called Rolladen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMjoJKjGEE8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Pretty sure a Rolladen in actually a tasty meat roll stuffed with pickles and bacon... But I digest...

I wonder if there is any recourse for fires and the like? Because it would kind of suck to be stuck inside during an emergency. That in itself is something to consider about hardening a house, if someone legitimately wants to do harm to you and yours a bit of gasoline will go a long ways towards that.
The bottom line is that most residential structures will not withstand a determined siege, even with extensive hardening and modification.

But nothing says you have to make it easy for the fwonkers. :twisted:

My own house is an excellent case in point for a structure that simply cannot be hardened enough to be practical... wood framing and foam sheathing behind vinyl siding means you can pretty much gain entry through any exterior wall with little more than a sharp knife. Which is why our home defense plan is pretty much to bug out and go elsewhere. In our case that's a friends house on a farm 20 miles away, and we have the vehicles always ready to make that trip.
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