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Post by TODP » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:29 pm

Hello. This is TheOldDopePeddler.

Krustofski pointed me to this board. He was my roommate during college, and in an incredible turn of events (our girlfriends breaking up with us at roughly the same time... crazy stuff, I tell you! :wink: ) now I'm his roommate again. Or flat-mate or whatever you call that.

I like beer, computer games, not dying, disaster preparedness, weapons and women with brains. Not necessarily in this order.

I have a bio degree and work as a pharmaceutical sales representative in NSAIDs. Although lately we have been doing ACS and type 2 diabetes - everybody does ACS and type 2 diabetes because people are fat pigs.

As for the username, please refer to Lehrer (1953) and McMillan (2009).

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Post by lowjohn19 » Fri Apr 19, 2013 2:43 pm

Welcome TODP!

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Post by Vicarious_Lee » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:31 pm

Excellent writeup you did on cardiovascular risk, aspirin, and dosing the other day. Thanks for contributing and welcome aboard!

(if anyone wants to look it up, it was under Krustofski's handle at the time).
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Post by Dawgboy » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:50 pm

Spreading joy wherever you go?

Tell me... What do you think of my Doc prescribing Voltaren gel, 1% in place of oxycodone for severe back pain related to osteoarthritis?

I had major injuries in the past, and the oxy help when I really need it which is actually fairly rare


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Post by Krustofski » Fri Apr 19, 2013 3:55 pm

I knew it was only a matter of time.

Now...

Dude, log the fuck out and/or clear the browser cache after using my computer to surf ZS. I was logged into your account earlier and got very confused.

Also: Holy shit, you're STILL using that passwort? Man, we used that to secure our porn collection back in the day. I wonder if I have access to your PayPal account. Or the online wire transfer system of your bank. Idiot! :P


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Post by ZombieGranny » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:16 pm

TheOldDopePeddler wrote:I like... weapons and women with brains...
How about women with brains AND weapons?
Brains ON weapons?

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Post by Vicarious_Lee » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:22 pm

Dawgboy wrote:Spreading joy wherever you go?

Tell me... What do you think of my Doc prescribing Voltaren gel, 1% in place of oxycodone for severe back pain related to osteoarthritis?

I had major injuries in the past, and the oxy help when I really need it which is actually fairly rare


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*raises hand.

Ooh, I can do that one!

Voltaren gel is the shit, and oxycodone is awesome, but both are very different drugs. Voltaren is an NSAID you rub right on (etodolac). It's good for tendonitis, sprains, strains, muscle aches, and arthritis close to the surface of the skin. If you had some facet joint arthritis in your low back and weren't fat, it might help with that. If you had some muscle pain and soreness and general inflammation because of a bad spine, it'd probably help with that.

It's not a replacement for oxycodone, though, which is a very powerful opiate that tends to produce more feelings of well-being than regular morphine and, at very high doses, an awesome high that has devastated entire portions of the country just like meth and crack have.

So, I think your doc is trying to avoid oxycodone. Most are these days, because there's a witch hunt brewing at the federal level.
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Post by Dawgboy » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:43 pm

Yeah, I agree as to why the resident and not my regular doc did not want to give it to me. I use about 30-40 a year though, so am not a risk... The voltaren gel is ineffective for what I am dealing with though, but really worked on my shoulders after running the worlds worst rototiller...
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Post by TODP » Fri Apr 19, 2013 4:56 pm

Krustofski wrote:I knew it was only a matter of time.

Now...

Dude, log the fuck out and/or clear the browser cache after using my computer to surf ZS. I was logged into your account earlier and got very confused.

Also: Holy shit, you're STILL using that passwort? Man, we used that to secure our porn collection back in the day. I wonder if I have access to your PayPal account. Or the online wire transfer system of your bank. Idiot! :P


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Didn't you want to go to bed an hour ago?
In case you`re wondering, I changed my facebook passwort, too. You`re not pulling this again. Arsehole. :P
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Dawgboy wrote:Spreading joy wherever you go?

Tell me... What do you think of my Doc prescribing Voltaren gel, 1% in place of oxycodone for severe back pain related to osteoarthritis?

I had major injuries in the past, and the oxy help when I really need it which is actually fairly rare


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*raises hand.

Ooh, I can do that one!

Voltaren gel is the shit, and oxycodone is awesome, but both are very different drugs. Voltaren is an NSAID you rub right on (etodolac). It's good for tendonitis, sprains, strains, muscle aches, and arthritis close to the surface of the skin. If you had some facet joint arthritis in your low back and weren't fat, it might help with that. If you had some muscle pain and soreness and general inflammation because of a bad spine, it'd probably help with that.

It's not a replacement for oxycodone, though, which is a very powerful opiate that tends to produce more feelings of well-being than regular morphine and, at very high doses, an awesome high that has devastated entire portions of the country just like meth and crack have.

So, I think your doc is trying to avoid oxycodone. Most are these days, because there's a witch hunt brewing at the federal level.
This is true.
I have only one thing to add: There are plenty of reasons to dislike Diclofenac for osteoarthritis, the shitty cardiovascular profile (worst of all NSAIDs) being one of them. But almost none of those apply to topical use. Voltaren gel is awesome, and available OTC here.
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TheOldDopePeddler wrote:I like... weapons and women with brains...
How about women with brains AND weapons?
Brains ON weapons?

heh, heh
You`re a twisted old lady. I like you. :wink:

Female combat medics fit the profile:

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Post by wee drop o' bush » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:07 pm

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Post by Vicarious_Lee » Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:42 pm

Dawgboy wrote:Yeah, I agree as to why the resident and not my regular doc did not want to give it to me. I use about 30-40 a year though, so am not a risk... The voltaren gel is ineffective for what I am dealing with though, but really worked on my shoulders after running the worlds worst rototiller...
Oh, no. Your resident physician didn't want to prescribe it because he can't even do that legally, unless he's licensed to practice independently in the state before he gets done with residency, which very, very, few residents end up doing because it costs 2500-dollars or more to do and they don't have the money, and because if they decide to move to another state it starts the whole badgerfuck all over again.

So, if this resident wanted to get you oxycodone, he'd have to find his attending, who is possibly seeing other patients, but almost certainly is trying to shove a mountain of irrelevant paperwork down his throat and up his ass so he can leave by 6 or so. Then, that attending is going to have to get his "Schedule II" prescriptions out of a locked drawer. You can't write for oxy electronically. So, then, he's going to have to write and spell legibly (or the pharmacist will get a perverted JusticeBoner while denying the prescription later) the following:

Your name
Address and date of birth, or
Social Security Number
Number of refills (zero. Always zero. So this charade has to happen by hand, and in person, every single month)
Type of medication
Indication for medication
Number of pills in number form
Number of pills written out in word form
State controlled substance number
DEA number.

Then, he will have to write a note in the chart himself legally justifying why he wrote for this prescription.

This has to happen for every Schedule II, for every patient, every time. In your state, Marijuana is so much easier to legally obtain you might consider that route, as long as you come to terms with the fact that the whole state is in clear and flagrant violation of Federal Law, and that many practitioners scoff at the idea of burning smoke inhalation as a valid way to deliver medication, rather than a medical diagnosis that requires treatment by EMTs and first responders.

TODP: I wish SOOOO HARD that Voltaren gel were available over-the-counter here. :vmad:
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Post by sheddi » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:55 am

TheOldDopePeddler wrote:Hello. This is TheOldDopePeddler.
Welcome!
As for the username, please refer to Lehrer (1953) ...
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Post by TODP » Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:30 am

Vicarious_Lee wrote:TODP: I wish SOOOO HARD that Voltaren gel were available over-the-counter here. :vmad:
Local pharmacy sandwich board today:

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TheOldDopePeddler wrote:As for the username, please refer to Lehrer (1953) ...
I love that song :-D
So do I!


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Post by Vicarious_Lee » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:32 pm

That's horrendous, TODP! It's like 60-dollars for a 2-ounce tube here, and only available by prescription!

I can imagine everyone in our military lining their socks with it and bathing in it if it were available over the counter.
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Post by wee drop o' bush » Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:50 pm

Vicarious_Lee wrote:That's horrendous, TODP! It's like 60-dollars for a 2-ounce tube here, and only available by prescription!
Huh? :?
You can buy it without prescription here also; great stuff, I have several tubes of it stashed away.
You can buy a 50g tube for around the £8 mark.
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Post by ZombieGranny » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:22 pm

Looked it up -
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1& ... aren%20gel" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't see anything about needing a prescription.
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Post by Vicarious_Lee » Sat Apr 20, 2013 6:29 pm

ZombieGranny wrote:Looked it up -
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1& ... aren%20gel" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't see anything about needing a prescription.
I'm just confused at this point.

http://www.arthritistoday.org/arthritis ... relief.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Can't seem to get a clear answer anywhere. I mean, from 2007 it looks like it requires a prescription in the US:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/86402.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well, ZG, only one way to find out.....


Yep, looks like Amazon let me buy it. :) :D :awesome:

Can't wait to start using this more widely!
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Vicarious_Lee wrote:
ZombieGranny wrote:Looked it up -
http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1& ... aren%20gel" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't see anything about needing a prescription.
I'm just confused at this point.

http://www.arthritistoday.org/arthritis ... relief.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Can't seem to get a clear answer anywhere. I mean, from 2007 it looks like it requires a prescription in the US:

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/86402.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well, ZG, only one way to find out.....


Yep, looks like Amazon let me buy it. :) :D :awesome:

Can't wait to start using this more widely!
Ohhhhh! Sick burn! :rofl: :wink:

21 $ for a 50 g tube still seems expensive. The prices are much lower here, thanks to all the competition from cheap generics on the OTC market.

This is from my box of random NSAIDs:

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The 100 g tube of generic diclofenac gel on top costs about as much as the 60 g tube of genuine Novartis Voltaren at the bottom. Both are around 8 €. Some generics go as low as 2.20 €. Yes, 2.20 €, I just googled.
Obviously, one is diethylamin salt, while the other is a liposome emulsion with the sodium salt and you can academically discuss subtle differences in resorption and pharmacodynamics, but ... in the end both are diclofenac gels, with the generic being 60% of the price of the original.

It don`t know if there is generic diclofenac gel available in the US, but if it is, shop around, it pays off quite literally.


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Post by Vicarious_Lee » Sat Apr 20, 2013 7:11 pm

And thank you!

Regardless of the differences in pricing, I've got some genuine Schmerzgel headed my way! :clap:
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Post by Smü » Mon Apr 22, 2013 9:49 am

... the nurse I happened to marry would be confused about the fact that pain killer gel (is that even a term in englishland?) comes in tubes less than 180ml.

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Post by Dawgboy » Mon Apr 22, 2013 11:51 am

The pharmacy told me there were no generics... Maybe I need to take a trip to Tijuana...


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